Does Deborah's Anti-Psychiatry posts help anyone?

[Antigen]

On 2005-06-16 11:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Its not a matter of teaching sex ed, it is a matter of content and age appropriate content, why is that so hard to understand. 5th and 6th graders being taught about oral sex is not appropriate. If you think it is then hire Michael Jackson to home school your kids."

I would beg to differ with you. Who decides what is or is not appropriate information for a particular child?

I never wanted to discuss certain things w/ my 9yo daughter till she was far older. Unfortunately, her father exposed her to a lot of things that were extremely inapropriate for a kid that age. So what would you do? Leave the kid in the dark and let her wonder for a few years? Let the schoolpeople decide? Send her to a shrink? Or just butch up and answer her questions... ya' know, like a.... what's the term... it's sort of arcane... Oh yeah! Like a PARENT.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345371984/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> Douglas Adams, _Last Chance to See_

[Truth Searcher]

On 2005-06-16 11:51:00, Paul wrote:

"I am 49, when I was in school there was a demand

from students to augment the curriculum with

more relevant classes.

I too am in the "forty something" category.  I remember that our sex ed consisted of learning about body parts and their function.  We learned the mechanics of reproduction (not necessarily the sex act, but rather that the sperm fertilized the egg kinda thing ::blushing:: ).  And we were segregated into male/female groups.  I attended with my mother.  She was able to support me afterward and answer any questions that may arise.  Fast forward 20 plus years to our children's experience.

Learn about anal, oral sex. (I don't think I knew about such things until my later high school years.... I know I was naive  :smile: )  in the classroom setting.  Learn how to properly use a condom by practicing on a banana in a mixed peer group.  Talk about any sexual experience in mixed company. Etc, etc, etc.

It is not "sex education" per say that I am opposed to.  Kids need to know about the mechanics, etc.  And in todays world of disease, they need to know about AIDS, HPV, and teen pregnancy rates.  I know that not all parents take it upon themselves to educate their children.  I guess my beef is that in our school district it is a part of the "normal curriculum".  I had to jump through hoops to get the district to waive the required high school course.  My kids were more interested in academia and prepping for college than "learning" what has been a life long discourse in our home.

I don't blame the school district.  It is a societal problem.

[Antigen]

On 2005-06-16 11:51:00, Paul wrote:

Looks like the schools are damned if they do
and damned if they don't.

That's right, they are. Because they're publicly funded, they must restrict the curriculum to only topics and treatment of those topics approved by all of the parents. Of course, this is a rediculous notion in what we laughingly call a free country. No way at all to reach any meaningful consensus.

Are you all attending the school board meetings
in your communities to help out?

Nope. But we did attend a dandy picnic a week or so ago w/ other homeschoolers. And we'll certainly bring some family favorites to the Not Back to School picknic in September. Among other topics of discussion that often come up at these events, we'll probably have a lively little debate about how best to overturn compulsory schooling laws, defund public schooling and improve prospects for a real education for the net generation.

There's no "I" in team.

There's no "U" in team, either.

So... if you're not on the team and I'm not on the team, then who's on the fucking team?

yea, the team sux...down with the team
http://bash.org/?484469' target='_new'>The Great Jack and King Rea

[thepatriot]

Ahh gee that is a hard one Ginger, I as the parent should be the only one who decides what is age appropriate for my child, not you, not the school district. My whole point was the content...CONTENT teaching 5th and 6th graders about oral sex is bullshit. Or would it depend on the child maybe some are ready....give me a fucking break already.
Like I said schools should stick to acedemics period.[ This Message was edited by: thepatriot on 2005-06-16 12:30 ]

[webcrawler]

On 2005-06-16 12:09:00, Paul wrote:

"So in your town 12 year olds know nothing about sex?



The very first they would have heard the word sex is in the school sex ed classes?



Wow, maybe it is needed where you are from.



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Kids are not stupid, come on now."

I knew from experience at 12. I was kept in the dark. My parents sure didn't do the job and it was unheard of for a school to tell me all about. Sadly, there are parents out there that don't talk to their kids so I can see where you are coming from Paul.

I just don't trust most schools enough to not force their own thoughts on morality down my children's throats. My child did watch a film about development last year and this year because I signed a consent form. We then discussed the films. Very uncomfortable to me, but then again I had to get over it because I don't want her to follow my path as a teen.

[thepatriot]

On 2005-06-16 12:09:00, Paul wrote:

"So in your town 12 year olds know nothing about sex?



The very first they would have heard the word sex is in the school sex ed classes?



Wow, maybe it is needed where you are from.



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Kids are not stupid, come on now."

In 2005 are you kidding? shit I probably knew more than I should. And I know these kids know far more now than I did at that age.So Paul are you a teacher in one of these failing school systems?

[Deborah]

No, he's a promoter of Mental Health Treatment, nation-wide screening of all children for mental illness, sex survey to sixth graders.... and anything else the shrinkydinks want to foust on the public.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-16 12:50:00, Deborah wrote:

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No, he's a promoter of Mental Health Treatment, nation-wide screening of all children for mental illness, sex survey to sixth graders.... and anything else the shrinkydinks want to foust on the public."

Thanks Deb, well I guess that says it all, whay not nation wide screening for shit-bag parents.MMMMM now theres a thought, Paul where are you on this one?

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-16 12:29:00, thepatriot wrote:

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Like I said schools should stick to acedemics period.

Patriot, the word is spelled academics.....  But your lack of spelling ability does kind of inadvertantly prove your point: Schools should be focusing on academics--literacy, math, writing skills, and lay off the social engineering.  If schools couldn't teach you to spell properly, I don't think they could appropriately teach sex ed to 5th and 6th graders.  Let the little bastards learn from pornographic magazines like we did.

[thepatriot]

On 2005-06-16 13:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-06-16 12:29:00, thepatriot wrote:


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Like I said schools should stick to acedemics period.

Patriot, the word is spelled academics.....  But your lack of spelling ability does kind of inadvertantly prove your point: Schools should be focusing on academics--literacy, math, writing skills, and lay off the social engineering.  If schools couldn't teach you to spell properly, I don't think they could appropriately teach sex ed to 5th and 6th graders.  Let the little bastards learn from pornographic magazines like we did."

Ok so what are you an English lit major or what? I have been asking for a spell checker on here for over a year now. Where is it Ginger? No spelling is not my forte nor are people that make them little selves feel superior in their OWN MIND by pointing it out. Have you read some of the immature post on this site? So why is spelling an issue?
Yes my spelling sucks, But ya know what for a guy who can?t spell for shit or put together a sentence I?ll bet I pay more in taxes quarterly than you make in a year. But thanks for pointing it out. Maybe I will pick up some remedial?? spelling? readin and spellin classes at my local Junior College

 :lol:  :lol:

[webcrawler]

Okay Patriot you know I have much love for ya and all :grin: , but Junior college? Meaning community college? Nothing wrong w/ community college folks.

I went to a community college before attending my university and the education was superior. As a matter of fact I did have to start in a remedial English class. Skipping lots of school and then wasting away in straight for 2 years hurt me academically.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-16 13:42:00, webcrawler wrote:

"Okay Patriot you know I have much love for ya and all :grin: , but Junior college? Meaning community college? Nothing wrong w/ community college folks.



I went to a community college before attending my university and the education was superior. As a matter of fact I did have to start in a remedial English class. Skipping lots of school and then wasting away in straight for 2 years hurt me academically.

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Remedial..did i spell that right? No, no hit on Community College, I attended one too prior to a university.And hey annon I got a B in english, shit liberal professor must have felt sorry for my dumb ass. I guess they passed me to get me the hell out. :lol:

[Deborah]

If it's important to ya Patriot, you can type your response in Word the cut/paste here. Just a suggestion!! Not a 'demand'. I really don't care, haven't had a problem getting your message.

[thepatriot]

On 2005-06-16 13:57:00, Deborah wrote:

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If it's important to ya Patriot, you can type your response in Word the cut/paste here. Just a suggestion!! Not a 'demand'. I really don't care, haven't had a problem getting your message."

Thanks Deb, occasionally I do that but sometimes I get in a hurry being at work and just type something in without thought of spelling it correctly.

[Truth Searcher]

Patriot~
Here is one that I downloaded for free.  Because, I am by far the world's worst speller!! If the link doesn't work, just google it.  The only thing I do worse than spell is attach links.

http://www.iespell.com

"It's a damn poor mind that can think of only one way to spell a word!" -- Andrew Jackson