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Offline Anonymous

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« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2005, 04:31:00 PM »
sorry wally I was saying that to Antigen.
but I do think you are pretty clever too.


or Antigen should I say Wally is pretty Cleaver.
get it Wally Cleaver.  you know like beaver cleaver. :rofl:
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« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2005, 10:29:00 PM »
80's guy - I do agree w/ you on lots of things that you brought up during the last days.  

I spent most of my life at the Seed and there was good and bad.  I guess I never really saw the bad until after everyting split up.  I started to see things more clearly.  In a way I still feel resentful towards the staff that started this whole thing.  I felt like they did an enormous amount of damage to so many people.  

 I was told along w/ others all of these negative things about Art and some of the things I knew for certrain were not even true. I feel like the reason they did things was for Greed, Power and Selfishness.  I deeply resent being pulled into all of their  sh***.

To me this was the worst thing that ever happened in my life.  I never felt so confused and torn about everything.  I also did not understand why everything happened.  Nothing seemed to make sense and then I was put into a position to go one way or the other.  

I know that I was not one of the chosen also.  I always felt like I was not as good as those in charge.  I guess now that I think about it I was probably made to feel that way.  

There is an awful lot that I learned from the experience.  I guess I learned how to stand on my own two feet and to think about how I really felt about things.

There was lots of good things also. I know on a few occasions Lybbie went out of her way to help me through some rough times.  I also had a few great friends that I could talk to about anything and knew they would always look out for my best interest.  I had a special closeness w/ them that I have never found anywhere else.  I have had friends not from the Seed but there was not that special bond.

When I was reading your post it saddened me to think about what was lost.  I do miss so many things.  

I guess I am still trying to figure things out.  Maybe I never really will figure it all out.
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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2005, 10:49:00 PM »
Sounds like you are doing a great job anon of working thru this stuff.

Why don't you just go ahead and tell the story...let 80s guy and some of the others off the hook here.

I would really appreciate it.

Cleveland, I agree with something you said. There should be no "us and them" mentality here..we share a common goal and a common bond.

We cannot all agree, for one reason all our experiences are not the same,  and we shouldn't demand it of each other.
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« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2005, 10:50:00 PM »
anyone ever think that a shy little chubby kid called Beaver may grow up with some "issues"?


 :grin:
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« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2005, 10:59:00 PM »
thanks Anon. If ur comfortable tell us a little more about u.
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« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2005, 11:32:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-19 19:16:00, Stripe wrote:



Frankly, I think insensitive holes like you with your "get over comments" are - well, you must be under the spell of the evil witch coven of Mel and Betty Sembler...

Get over it?  Why don't you try pulling your head out of your ass and see what's happening around you?  Folks need to get over it?  To be blunt about it, and based solely on your response, you need to wake the fuck up.

Gee, Anon, if you are such a seed buff and supporter, how come the rule about making amends doesn't apply in this case?

The way I see it, your karma runs over your dogma....


Ooohh, I think I detect a wee bit of hostility??

That was a great PERSONAL attack Stripe  :wave:
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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2005, 12:01:00 AM »
Hostility? Sure. Misplaced? How so?

And why do you go all balistic whenever this topic comes up? Why, I do believe your closing off! Put your hands down at your side! What are you hiding??

 :rofl:

Seriously, though, why such a bug up your ass about this?

The most serious parody I have ever heard was this: In the beginning was nonsense, and the nonsense was with God, and the nonsense was God.
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher

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« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2005, 09:27:00 AM »
someone just tell the story before someone gets hurt up in here....


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« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2005, 10:18:00 AM »
Greg are you talking about the bug up someone's ass????? :rofl:
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« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2005, 11:07:00 AM »
The money was gone.It takes money to fight Lawsuits
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« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2005, 11:15:00 AM »
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On 2005-06-22 07:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Greg are you talking about the bug up someone's ass????? :rofl: "


That would probably itch!.


Serious, lets try to get along here.  There is no need for hostility because we disagree.

TRUCKER...  Lawsuits?

Tell us my man!
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« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2005, 12:31:00 PM »
There were no lawsuits.  Sorry Trucker has no idea
what hes saying.  He's just throwing something out there.  seriously.


Trucker, please don't get Greg or Antigen running off to some dead end.

Are you Seth? or one of the karate guys? Or Mike?
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« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2005, 12:51:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-22 08:15:00, GregFL wrote:


Serious, lets try to get along here.  There is no need for hostility because we disagree.

I second that :nworthy: It would be nice to be able to discuss pros AND cons and maybe gain some insight of EVERYONE's experiences - good and bad!
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« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2005, 12:56:00 PM »
Cleveland,

Ok, I'll use that term sparingly.

When I do use that term,  I am referring  strictly to the top creators and supporting staff members, not the rank and file. Generally, a programmer knows exactly what he or she is doing and intends the result - a controlled rank and file.  

My observation that part of the result of programming was our own unknowing use of programming techniques on ourselves and each other is not meant to be critical or make any person feel bad about doing what we thought was the right thing. It just is what it is.

I see it more as clear evidence of the power that was weilded over us with abosolutely no regard for or understanding of the consequences.  I have spent years feeling awfully guilty and remorseful about things I said and did back then.

Please accept my apologies if I offened you,  or any other rank and file as it was not my intention to do that.   [ This Message was edited by: Stripe on 2005-06-22 10:14 ]
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« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2005, 01:49:00 PM »
I think, when it really comes down to it, it's just a matter of degrees anyway. Look at the inner circle here. Ok, so they got a bunch of money and they got a steady supply of forced adulation and servitude out of a revolving staff of Seed "kids".

But their lives are gone. There are no do overs. And, in the end, The Seed was just another failed Utopian scam.

Would you really want to trade places w/ these people? I wouldn't.

A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
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