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The Great Mystery of the Final Days
GregFL:
Why don't one of you people that really know the story in detail lay it out here once and for all. You can do it anonymously.
I think it is only fair to the people who were locked up and forced to worship these people, that they get to find out how this dark little fairy tale ended.
Anonymous:
Greg would you like to give us the dirt on your whole entire family. I think not. Some things are left better unsaid. It involves illness and greed all the typical ingredients found in most all american families.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-06-20 09:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Greg would you like to give us the dirt on your whole entire family. I think not. Some things are left better unsaid. It involves illness and greed all the typical ingredients found in most all american families. "
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Anon,
If you have read any of the subject matters on this forum you would see where every person who posts with a screen name has put their "dirt" out there. Your cynicism is really misplaced.
When it comes to atoning for the lives destroyed, really, the position should be that there are NOT ENOUGH words to express the sorrow, regret and remorse the programmers should feel for what they did, not that such statements remain better unsaid. Read the 80's guy post again and tell me you don't think he is entitled to an explanation.
I think it's tragically ironic that the programmers who demanded honesty are thoroughly incapable of demonstrating such traits in the REAL world. I guess for them this refusal to acknowledge what happend (from the 1971 inception to closing) is just another character ?de?fault that Anon would like to attribute to a dysfunctional family.
Maybe we give them far too much credit for character traits they are simply incapable of possessing or understanding. Maybe we expect too much because our journeys have taught us lessons about this past that the programers could never understand. When life gets difficult, it is much easier to leave the painful things unsaid and unacknowledged. But easy does not equate with right. Hey! That sure is one big-ass white elephant in the room, don't you think?
The programmers, be they ill or greedy or in any other state, still owe an explanation to every person whose life they touched and destroyed - no matter how painful, difficult or embarrassing it might be for them. My perception of the programmers is that they think they are above all law, both natural and enacted. This lawlessness just reinforces my very, very low opinions of them.
Black's Law Dictionary, 5th Edition
Natural Law: ...a system of rules and principles for the guidance of human conduct which, independently of enacted law or the systems peculiar to any one people, might be discovered by rational intelligence of man, and would be found to grow out of and conform to his nature, meaning by that word, his whole mental, moral and physical constitution.
Putting that into seed-talk language that the programmers will understand: Do the right thing and the right thing will happen.
Most sincerely,
Stripe
Antigen:
Well I can't speak for Greg, but I personally didn't enjoy it one bit when Art decided to make hay out of my family's personal business. Didn't enjoy seeing my sister stand up before a crowd at open meeting and describe herself as the most horrible kind of girl. Didn't like seeing my brother cry and similarly confess. Didn't enjoy being constantly questioned, surveiled and accused as I tried to dodge that bullet growing up.
Yeah, I see your point. None of that is very nice to experience. Funny how the elites are so terribly sensitive about their own dirty laundry, huh?
If we had been born in Constantinople, then most of us would have said: "There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet." If our parents had lived on the banks of the Ganges, we would have been worshipers of Siva, longing for the heaven of Nirvana.
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GregFL:
I seem to remember being forced to stand up in front of thousands (yes, when I was there sometimes up to 700 kids, both their parents, prospective parents, grandparents, "interested parties" and the press) and confess my darkest secrets. I had to do this or continue my suffering. I remember specifically Art the weasel asking direct questions of the group..how many did this, how many stole, how many lied, cheated..etc... as my hand sheapishly went up and my parents and others that knew me eyes drilled right thru me. I remember feeling sexually humiliated and asked to tell stories about my sexuality or lack thereof in "boys rap" in front of my entire group of high school people.
Now I am supposed to feel sorry for these tyrannical dipshits because they had a falling out and could not continue the facade?
My families secrets have already been laid bare "anon", and I continue to give of myself in hopes that others can heal from this mess and still others may have the heart not to sentence their children to a lifetime of self loathing and questioning.
Absolutely I think someone should step up to the plate here. I have heard tthe story but cannot tell it with any degree of accuracy. Someone should, and they should now, if only to correct a wrong done to 90s guy and the others that dedicated their entire young adult and middle years to a lie unwittingly.
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