On 2005-06-16 05:24:00, leleNtom wrote:
"what about those kids who are still in csa and arent doing n e thing to get out. like the le vel one refusers. will they be programized when they leave or are they the ones who remain straight. it seems like the more they refuse the more they put on the seminars and stuff. but then again the more they refuse the less anyone pays attention to them.I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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Of course what happens around them soaks in inevitably. Just like children growing up watching a father abuse a mother or sibling. What's harmful is that these are the kids that usually get come down on the hardest for non-conformity to the program. In some of the harder overseas WWASPS programs, those kids are put in solitary confinement, pepper-sprayed, hog-tied, or made to stay in OP for days at a time. The emotional torture of social isolation-punishment, or separation from the group (the feeling of being completely alone) is very damaging to a child's psyche. Will they be programmed? Programmed to hate themselves and feel deep-rooted guilt for not being a part of the group - which lays the ground work for self-destructive or violent behavior. So yes, they will be. There are many different facets to the psychological and physical abuses that occur in the program environment.
So, both types are broken, just in different ways. Their survival instincts kick in, and some kids conform, while others fight it tooth and nail. That depends on all kinds of things, like age, emotional stability, personality, adaptability?etc.
In the end I think understanding what happened to us is the most valuable thing we can learn. You're very lucky to be able to learn this so soon after it happened to you, leleNtom. I have two friends that were in the program at the same time that I was. Both went through exit counseling afterward. I always remind them how fortunate they were to have been given that opportunity.
Flat out refusal ISN'T a viable option. Put it in martial arts terms-active resistance would be a form of Judo (supposted to be passive but actually involves using strength against your opponent)-and they have more strength and more numbers than you do. Aikido IS quite passive-bend when necessary, use the opponents force against him, and stay under the radar to avoid confrontation. That's what I did-learned to use the program jargon such as 'step left' and all the other crap. It got me out. It's been a lot of year, but the hate I have for those sadists (especially Gilcrease) isn't going away. If I believed in an afterlife of hell, I'd want him in it.
Survivor of SCL
