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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2005, 09:19:00 AM »
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"Again, I will affirmatively state that I WAS IN SAMOA WITH CHRISTOPHER and I was EXTREMELY close to him and his family in Miami.  He was NEVER violent or oppositional while in Samoa.  Actually, he was very compliant.  He was actually liked by the staff.  His parents visited him there and spent a week at the hotel with him.  He NEVER claimed to be abused in any way.  He NEVER claimed to have ever been abused when he came home.  PRIOR to Samoa, his parents did send him for therapists to numerous therapists, to many different programs, to public and private schools.  He was not doing well with any of it.



His plan to kill his parents BEFORE he went to Samoa was NOT "JUST WORDS".  He attempted to act upon it, but was unsuccessful.  Had he not gone to Samoa, his mother would have probably been killed earlier."


why are you the only one who says this...?  i agree with you on the fact that he had prior "issues" and had been through many schools and psych treatments.  but to say that he NEVER claimed to be abused after he came home is COMPLETE bullshit...i spent 6 years with him.
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2005, 09:20:00 AM »
oh, and if you were extremely close with him and his family when since he's been back...do you know who i am?
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2005, 09:56:00 AM »
He wanted his parents money and that was his motive.  

If you spent 6 years with Christopher, then I do know you.  If you spent 2 years with him, I do know you.  And, if you were in Samoa with him, which I doubt, you would have first hand knowledge that he was NEVER abused.  If you were with him when his parents visited him, you would know he never claimed to have been abused.  If you were with him when he came home, you would know he was not abused.

The important thing is not the program and not the money, but that there is NEVER an excuse for taking someone's life!!!  

Almost every murderer has some "reason" why they did it....an abusive childhood...abandonment....etc.  THESE ARE NOT REASONS, they are very poor excuses and excuses don't count.  He murdered his mother and attempted to murder his father and would have murdered his sister had she been in the house at the time.  NO REASON>>>>NO EXCUSE!!!!!

We cannot start making up excuses for people who murder others.  We are very fortunate to live in a Country where we are free.  I think all of us have seen or read about those much less fortunatee than we are in Countries where murder of children, babies, mothers and fathers is an everyday occurrence.  We just do not go out and murder!
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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2005, 01:46:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-09 06:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"He wanted his parents money and that was his motive.  



If you spent 6 years with Christopher, then I do know you.  If you spent 2 years with him, I do know you.  And, if you were in Samoa with him, which I doubt, you would have first hand knowledge that he was NEVER abused.  If you were with him when his parents visited him, you would know he never claimed to have been abused.  If you were with him when he came home, you would know he was not abused.



The important thing is not the program and not the money, but that there is NEVER an excuse for taking someone's life!!!  



Almost every murderer has some "reason" why they did it....an abusive childhood...abandonment....etc.  THESE ARE NOT REASONS, they are very poor excuses and excuses don't count.  He murdered his mother and attempted to murder his father and would have murdered his sister had she been in the house at the time.  NO REASON>>>>NO EXCUSE!!!!!



We cannot start making up excuses for people who murder others.  We are very fortunate to live in a Country where we are free.  I think all of us have seen or read about those much less fortunatee than we are in Countries where murder of children, babies, mothers and fathers is an everyday occurrence.  We just do not go out and murder!"

dude, i'm not making up excuses..i'm just saying that you're full of shit.  i've met 5 kids from samoa and/or jamaica and the stories i hear are all the same...i've been there for the discussions about it...i've been there when he talked to his family about it...i've heard about limbo... were you in his family?
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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2005, 01:50:00 PM »
oh, and of you were really close to him, maybe you can help me out with something.  who's peaches?
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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2005, 03:42:00 PM »
WHO MURDERED CHRIS SUTTON'S SOUL?

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« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2005, 05:07:00 PM »
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I think all of us have seen or read about those much less fortunatee than we are in Countries where murder of children, babies, mothers and fathers is an everyday occurrence.


Here in LA its an everyday occurance too. :skull:
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« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2005, 09:24:00 PM »
chris apparently had no soul or conscience
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« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2005, 09:53:00 PM »
If the Sutton's were so afraid of Chris, why didn't they get him "real" therapy instead of exiling him on an island for 2 years?

Paradise Cove was a lockdown facility for rich, mostly white kids with minor to severe behavioral problems.

At least 2 former residents committed suicide rather than be sent back by their parents.

These places are NOT club med ... any more than they are therapeutic.  

They are hell.

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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2005, 12:19:00 PM »
Lynn Pretzfeld (sp) son was sent to Paradise Cove and used to post on the Internet about his "experience".  

Another kid who was also at Paradise Cove posted about the same time, claiming one of the P. kids was involved in abducting (sometimes called "escorting") him into the program.  Apparently they tried to get him on a plane and the plane's captain wouldn't let them.

Anybody else remember seeing this story?  The boy was eventually transported to Utah and shipped to Samoa.  Think his name was Randy.

The old Intrepid Net Reporter website had his story online.  It may be still there.

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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2005, 01:01:00 PM »
What would you have considered "real" therapy or help?  They tried psychologists, psychiatrists, wilderness programs, private and public schools, in and outpatient facilities BEFORE Samoa.

Chris had written a plan to murder his parents long before being sent to Samoa.  He had been seeing therapists for many years before going to Samoa.

What type of other help would you have suggested to them?
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2005, 01:37:00 PM »
yeah, randy was another one, he was there with chriss.  i forget his last name though.  i don't think i ever met him.  they pretty much always send them to utah first.  i know chriss was there.  chriss was "unfond" of the pretzfeld boys.  lynn was a major advocate for the program though, i think that's how chriss' 'rents learned about it... and yeah, they "abduct" people to get them there.  chriss' story is pretty brutal, he's not a small guy and didn't go without a fight...i've heard the story corroborated by another guy who was there when chriss got nabbed
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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2005, 02:15:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-10 10:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What would you have considered "real" therapy or help?  They tried psychologists, psychiatrists, wilderness programs, private and public schools, in and outpatient facilities BEFORE Samoa.



Chris had written a plan to murder his parents long before being sent to Samoa.  He had been seeing therapists for many years before going to Samoa.



What type of other help would you have suggested to them?"


Imagine! One mindfuck after another and the kid still didn't unfuck himself.

I wouldn't suggest anything unless they asked me. But then, I don't have the audacity to hold myself up as an expert. The point is, at the end of the day, WWASP didn't help either. And this is typical. Ask around of people not hand picked for you by someone who stands to profit from convincing you.

Sadly, Chris Sutton is not the first Program graduate to kill his parents. And I'm guessing he won't be the last, either. I'm not a violent person myself. But the one and only time I thought seriously about beating my mother to a pulp was when, after two years in Straight and a battle in the courts to get out, she informed me that I would have to go to an intake "interview" at LIFE if I wanted my uniform so I could go to work.

God save us from those who would do anything just to be seen as doing something!
 

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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2005, 02:43:00 PM »
Stanley Gould was the first kid who spoke out about Paradise Cove, long before Paul Richards was on 48 hours.

Paradise Cove was a hellcamp.  Remember the "iso box"???

Le Tiera????

Chris Landre was one of the first kids there ... he shot himself.

Why would Chris and Corey Murphey take their own lives if he program was so great?

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« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2005, 02:51:00 PM »
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Sadly, Chris Sutton is not the first Program graduate to kill his parents. And I'm guessing he won't be the last, either.


This is so true. I'm sure there are many assaults we never hear about.
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