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cleveland:
OK, MGG dared me to post on this topic...so I will.

Physical contact/sexuality...

Guys and girls strictly segragated...Art made sly sexual jokes (Evie being 'healthy' - large breasted. Seed kids being celibates - whoops, celebrants! etc.) Anyway, we were all sexually pent up. I think guys to some extent and probably girls even more so got some of their sexual energy released thru same sex contact. Not sex, but touching and cuddling if you were a girl, and rough-housing if you were a guy. I wasn't very sophisticated at 19 but I knew some people were gay, even though I hadn't had a lot of knowing contact (any gay kid at my high school would take pains to hide it, except for one or two flamboyant kids who I didn't know at all well, and kind of embarrased me) but I knew there were gay kids at the Seed but it appeared that they were trying to be 'straight' sexually too. It must have been weird. But the straight kids were banned from all contact with the opp. sex except for: A. high status kids, who could date and marry with Art's permission and B. football. Ooh, football! The girls wore skimpy little bikinis which they made themselves. It was torture to see them, and play on the line against them. High status seed kids had other opportunities to hang out with the opp. sex, esp. if you were on staff or jr. staff. For the rest of us: saying 'hi' to the girl who served the warm coollaid and frozen PBJ sandwiches; once in a great while helping some girl carry something in or out of her car or maybe apt.

Masterbation - not supposed to do it, really. But...whoopsie.

And you were supposed to confess 'everything.' I found this to be a horror for me. Especially because you weren't supposed to have your head in the gutter...and because I did...

So yeah, girls and guys did some same sex touching/cuddling/hugging/kissing even, I remember...but no contact with the opp. sex. Lots of guilt, shame, confusion...

Although I have to say that being able to hug another guy w/o shame was a definite plus for me - maybe helped me be less homophobic.

There you go, MGG.

GregFL:
Your not suposed to masturbate?

NOW YOU TELL ME!

 :grin:


Serious, it must have been torture for you long timers. I know I hit puberty while in the seed and that wasn't any fun...but years and years of this sexual isolation?

Holy shit, I don't envy you guys at all.

Nihilanthic:
Good ole conservative upbringing!

Pent them up, but keep them with the same sex, then make gay marriage illegal.
The plans of true believers for our lives may well be better than our own when judged against some abstract official standard, but to deny people their personal struggles is to render existence absurd.
John Taylor Gatto
--- End quote ---

cleveland:
Exactly!

marshall:
I'm not positive about this...but I think I recall Art making jokes about 'fags' on a regular basis. This was the mid 70's. I understand he may have changed his views on the issue though. For some reason I got the impression that the seed was supposed to make gay people straight. A few years after I got off my program a friend of my father's asked me about sending his son to the seed. His son used drugs and was openly gay. The guy wanted to know if the seed could help him. I assured him that it would make his son 'straight' in every sense of the word. Looking back, I'm not sure where I got this idea. Maybe the fag jokes or maybe the general emphasis on traditional sex roles or maybe some other factor.

Just after I became an oldcomer one of our newcomers confessed that he'd had a homosexual experience. He was wracked with guilt and pain over this due to the seed's emphasis on confession. We were at a loss as to how to respond to this confession and tried to assure him that it didn't mean he was homosexual.

The prohibition against masturbation was especially sad as this tended to make everyone that engaged in this act feel as if they were screwed-up or full of shit, etc. Someone mentioned Art's catholic background in connection with this rule. I tend to agree. The prohibition resulted in most of us carrying around chronic guilt for a perfectly normal, healthy activity. Much like the guilt I felt for years for drinking an occasional beer or glass of wine.

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