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« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2005, 04:36:00 PM »
"Dan Fisher, anti-medication/anti-psychiatry psychiatrist was on the New Freedom commission, I wonder what his input was on this program?

http://teenscreen.org/"

What was Dan Fisher's vote record on the New Freedom Commission?
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« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2005, 04:37:00 PM »
What are you referring to?
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« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2005, 04:40:00 PM »
You do understand what addiction is, and isn't,
don't you?
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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2005, 07:06:00 PM »
Researchers supported by the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH)?.
?Nuf said.

There is no epidemic of mental illness Paul. Only in the minds of the mentally deranged and morally corrupt.

Dear lord?. we?ll have to ?disagree on the validity of Scientologies contribution
to caring for the mentally ill??
Are you just plain ignorant or attempting to derail this discussion, or better yet, slandering me by suggesting that I said or implied that scientology?s contribution to ?mental illness? is valid?  Put up or shut up- post where I even implied that, you paranoid freak?
You are brainwashed by the APA cult. As I?ve said before, there are MANY people opposed to this screening initiative, and psychiatry in general. They?re not all scientologists. That?s APA propaganda.

In terms of ?quoting a cult?? did you miss the references to Ken Kramer and CCHR?
What?s the point?  
If I had the time and inclination I could give you more examples than you?d care to read (or acknowledge) of politicians, doctors, the FDA, journalists, and researchers who have not divulged their relationship to the drug cartel. Yeh, full disclosure would be a wonderful thing, wouldn?t it. Don?t hold your breath, not good for business.

You?re exaggerating the ?attack?. This issue (public screening) literally affects every child, and every tax payer in this country, and has far greater implications than we can even imagine at this point. If you can?t see that, you are blinded by your own brand of cultish brainwashing. Will you drug pushers not be happy until every American is taking some form of mind altering drug?
EQUILIBRIUM- an excellent movie depicting where this could go. And if you?re interested in reality, you could research how children of color and poor kids on Medicaid have been doing on psych drugs, since they were the first to be targeted with TMAP.

***I am not worried about Scientology's takeover of anything.

Damn, then what was the point of posting, ?the real agenda that Ken Kramer and the CCHR have .....to destroy psychiatry and replace it with Scientology?.  Just pointing out someone?s paranoid delusion, fear run amok?

***They don't utilize studies to veryify their dogma.

I don?t know what you?re referring to with that comment. But, while we?re on the topic, you think the APA etal does? They?ve got the majority of the population believing that ?mental illness? is genetic, and that a pill will cure it. Where are the studies to support that fabrication? I?ve only found opinions that state that research ?seems to indicate? or it ?may be?. Then in the next article some shrinky dink is putting it out there that indeed there is a genetic link. Yeh, let?s have some real disclosure and honesty. They shouldn?t be stating things as fact that haven?t been proven.
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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2005, 07:50:00 PM »
Woops, forget some.

You said:
I am worried about their hidden influence on the anti-psychiatry crowd....

Are you saying you're worried about ME, Paul? How thougtful. Isn't it considered a mental disorder to worry about someone when it's not warranted, or welcomed?
Would you elaborate on "their hidden influence". I'm trying to grok what you mean by hidden. It appears to me that they are way out in the open with their opinions. And there is no shortage of information on the drug option. The cartel will see to that.

...and that they may in turn influence a vulnurable psychiatric patient to not make an informed decision.

I say, let's put the accurate information side-by-side and allow people to make genuinely 'informed decisions'. That seems reasonable to me.

I'm sure there are MANY in jail who choose to be "Comfortably Numb". I might take that option too if faced with that very unpleasant reality.

Speaking of Comfortably Numb, excellent short documentary here:
http://www.besthorizons.com/

So much for 'putting down all the research to date as fraudulent'.What research are you refering to Paul?
The least you, and others, could do is to be honest with people. Inform them that they are, for all intents and purposes being guinea pigs, and that they could possibly do worse harm by taking psychiatric drugs. Now that's the truth. Informed consent requires that the ignorant and gullible patient know the truth.
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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2005, 08:33:00 PM »
Hey Paul,
If the god damn drugs are so effective, then offer an explanation for this:

In October 2004 the Texas inspector general for the Health and Human Services Commission said his office interviewed staff at three state licensed wilderness camps, which provide care for some foster children, and found that the average child arrives on four or five psychotropic drugs.
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Not only are Tx taxpayers footing the bill for these kids excessive and expensive drugs, we're also paying to have them 'treated' at wilderness programs when the f-in drugs fail to 'fix' them.
Four or Five, Paul. Justify that.
There's just one way. Some capitalists are getting rich off the ignorant and gullible.

It sickens me to think of how all that money could be put toward meeting those kids REAL needs, which could go a long way in healing their 'behavioral problems'.
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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2005, 10:20:00 PM »
Please read this latest development:  http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/051105sensenalert.cfm

This is about complete control!  Take action!
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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2005, 11:04:00 PM »
From an ally. (Not a scientologist, Paul)

Success in Tx regarding Amendment 1 of HB2572

We won a significant battle against the forces that currently control the economics on planet earth...in this case, the pharmaceutical corporations that control the president and his so-called New Freedom Commission. The president then directs the governor who then directs the state senator and etcetera. Texas tried many ways to codify the new intrusion language to set up a structure for universal mental health screening. We managed, with countless allies, to block it in the final hour. There will be more information to come, but for now we are grateful for all your ongoing work on this that made it even possible to win this one against great odds.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/new ... pposed.htm

And from another ally in NYC:
$6,000,000 has just been allocated to the Mental Health system for SCREENING SENIOR CITIZENS IN THEIR SENIOR LIVING ENVIRONMENTS FOR
DEPRESSION!

This Christian org considers the screening initiative to be ?Socialist?.
http://www.sierratimes.com/05/05/16/24_ ... _80257.htm
Now, if you ever wonder, ever again, if public-private partnerships care about people, then you need a brain transplant. Your children are now the legislated guinea pigs and lab rats for the pharmaceutical companies who bought and paid for our president's campaign. Favors are now returned to those companies in the form of enforced, juvenile customers, their health, and their future drug addictions.

Gun Owner?s of America is against it:
http://www.triggerfinger.org/weblog/gro ... /index.jsp

In Illinois, pro-family groups like Eagle Forum, IFI, CWA, and Family Taxpayers Network oppose it. Their requests for written parental consent to be written into the law but has met a stonewall within the Governor's office.
http://www.illinoisfamily.org/news/cont ... sp?c=25661

The Liberty Committee opposes it:
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/update11.08.04.htm

Sen Ron Paul opposes it.

Ga Senator Nancy Schaefer opposes screening.
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005 ... /sr128.htm

All closet scientologists Paul?

This would be laughable if not so damn scarey:
I am a practicing child and adolescent psychiatrist in (your county) and I am calling to ask Rep._____ to oppose or (if your rep. is cosponsor of the bill) withdraw his/her support for H.R. 181, the Parental Consent Act, because the bill is unnecessary and DISCRIMINATORY TOWARDS MENTAL ILLNESS AND THE FIELD OF PSYCHIATRY ::boohoo:: (refer to the underlined quote from the first paragraph of this alert).
http://www.aacap.org/legislation/109/109-02.htm
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2005, 01:47:00 PM »
Deborah,

What is your experience with the mentally ill?

Paul
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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2005, 01:55:00 PM »
Please click here to see the graphic:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00043.html

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01651.html

Study: U.S. Leads In Mental Illness, Lags in Treatment

By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 7, 2005; Page A03

One-quarter of all Americans met the criteria for having a mental illness within the past year, and fully a quarter of those had a "serious" disorder that significantly disrupted their ability to function day to day, according to the largest and most detailed survey of the nation's mental health, published yesterday.

Although parallel studies in 27 other countries are not yet complete, the new numbers suggest that the United States is poised to rank No. 1 globally for mental illness, researchers said.
 
"We lead the world in a lot of good things, but we're also leaders in this one particular domain that we'd rather not be," said Ronald Kessler, the Harvard professor of health care policy who led the effort, called the National Comorbidity Survey Replication.

The exhaustive government-sponsored effort, based on in-depth interviews with more than 9,000 randomly selected Americans, finds that the prevalence of U.S. mental illness has remained roughly flat in the past decade -- a possible glimmer of hope given that previous decades had suggested the rates were gradually rising.

But the rest of the news from the survey -- which did not include some of the most serious disorders, such as schizophrenia, for which patients are often institutionalized -- is mostly discouraging.

Less than half of those in need get treated. Those who seek treatment typically do so after a decade or more of delays, during which time they are likely to develop additional problems. And the treatment they receive is usually inadequate.

Younger sufferers are especially overlooked, the survey found, even though mental illness is very much a disease of youth. Half of those who will ever be diagnosed with a mental disorder show signs of the disease by age 14, and three-quarters by age 24. But few get help.

Many factors contribute to these failings, the reports conclude, including inattention to early warning signs, inadequate health insurance and the lingering stigma that surrounds mental illness.

"The system has to get its act together to get its quality of care up," Kessler said.

Thomas Insel -- chief of the National Institute of Mental Health, which funded the $20 million study -- said the nation needs to recognize that mental illness is a chronic condition that requires expert medical attention just as heart disease, Alzheimer's and diabetes do.

He said he was disappointed to learn from the survey that despite the availability of effective treatments for many mental illnesses, including depression and anxiety, about a third of people in need rely solely on nonprofessional sources such as Internet support groups and spiritual advisers.

"You wouldn't rely on your priest for treatment if you had breast cancer," Insel said. "Why would you go to your priest for a major depressive disorder? These are real medical and brain disorders, and they need to be treated that way."

Mental health surveys have been conducted nationwide since the 1940s, but they offered only crude measures until 10 years ago, when the first National Comorbidity Study was performed. That highly structured survey asked questions specific enough to provide an accurate diagnosis for a wide range of mental disorders.

The study's 10-year follow-up, described in four reports in the June issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry, goes further by measuring, for the first time, the severity and persistence of people's mental illness and the quality of their treatment.

The survey, conducted by the University of Michigan, included 9,282 households selected at random in 34 states. Nearly 300 trained interviewers traveled about 8 million miles over a year and a half. They knocked on doors at all hours of the day and night to ensure they would not systematically miss alcohol abusers who spend their days at bars, people with depression who can go weeks hardly able to pull themselves out of bed and people with social phobia who only rarely answer the doorbell.

The interview notes were uploaded to a central repository for analysis by psychiatrists and other health professionals at Harvard Medical School.

The survey focused on four major categories of mental illness: anxiety disorders (such as panic and post-traumatic stress disorders); mood disorders (such as major depression and bipolar disease); impulse control disorders (such as attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder); and substance abuse.

Almost half of Americans meet the criteria for such an illness at some point in their lives, the survey found. Most cases are mild and probably do not require treatment. But every year about 6 percent of adults are so seriously affected that they cannot perform even routine activities for periods averaging three months. Because schizophrenia, autism, and some other severe and relatively common disorders were not included, actual prevalence rates are somewhat higher, Kessler said.

Comorbidity -- the simultaneous occurrence of two or more illnesses -- is common, the survey found. Nearly half of people with one mental disorder met the criteria for two or more. That's a problem because mental health services are usually geared toward one illness or another.

"Our findings highlight the importance of integrating treatments, of treating the people instead of the disorder," said NIMH investigator Kathleen Ries Merikangas.

The fraction of the population treated for mental illness over a 12-month period has grown to 17 percent from 13 percent a decade ago -- a sign, perhaps, that advertisements for antidepressants and other drugs are working, and the stigma of being treated is decreasing.

But most of those affected receive either no help or are being treated by nonmedical providers or nonspecialists, whose care typically fails to meet minimal standards of adequacy, Kessler said.

It is not clear why Americans have such high rates of mental illness, but cultural factors clearly play a role. Immigrants quickly increase their risk of mental health problems, especially if they do not live in native ethnic communities. Minorities also tend to have lower levels of mental health problems despite lower economic status, suggesting that the social support they provide each other is protective.
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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2005, 01:58:00 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050607/ap_ ... &printer=1

Mental Illness Can Start in Childhood
By LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer

Tue Jun 7,10:28 AM ET

Most mental illness hits early in life, with half of all cases starting by age 14, a survey of nearly 10,000 U.S. adults found.

Many cases begin with mild, easy-to-dismiss symptoms such as low-level anxiousness or persistent shyness, but left untreated, they can quickly escalate into severe depression, disabling phobias or clinical anxiety, said Ronald Kessler, a Harvard Medical School researcher involved in the study.

That so many cases begin in people so young ? three-fourths start by age 24 ? "is just staggering" and underscores the need for better efforts at early detection and treatment, Kessler said.

"These disorders have really become the chronic disorders of young people in America," said Dr. Thomas Insel, director of the National Institute of Mental Health, which helped fund the research.

The findings, published in the June issue of Archives of General Psychiatry, were based on face-to-face interviews conducted with people ages 18 and older in 2001 through 2003.

The new figures also show that the prevalence of mental illness nationwide has stabilized for the first time since the end of World War II, Kessler said.

About 46 percent of people surveyed said they had experienced a mental illness at some point in their lives, and about 26 percent said they had within the previous year ? rates similar to those reported in a 1994 version of the survey. Before the earlier survey, rates had steadily increased since the mid-1940s, Kessler said.

The previous increase was probably at least partly due to better detection and awareness, Kessler said.

The overall prevalence rate is probably an underestimate because the study included only English-speaking adults and excluded rarer illnesses such as schizophrenia and autism.

Most ailments were mild. Only about one-fifth of those who reported any mental disorder within the past year had a serious illness, meaning their daily activities were severely affected.

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On the Net:

Archives: http://www.archgenpsychiatry.com

NIMH: http://www.nimh.nih.gov
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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2005, 09:54:00 PM »
I'm on three psychiatric medications.

Paxil, Welbutrin, and Lamictal.

Paxil is an SSRI and adjusts my serotonin levels.

Welbutrin adjusts my dopamine levels.

Lamictal is a mood stabilizer that has enabled me to reduce my dose of Paxil, not have volatile "mixed" states, and has remedied some serious executive function problems I was having.

If I were also ADHD, which is frequently comorbid with bipolar disorder, I might need a non-stimulant medicine like Stratera to help my frontal lobe function properly when I tried to concentrate on things.

There are all sorts of illnesses that can be comorbid with a major mental illness like bipolar disorder.

The new drugs are *very* tightly targetted to only affecting one particular thing in one particular way.  Since every responsible expert's theory on these diseases is that there is more than one gene involved in susceptibility and you have to get several to get ill, and our experiences--even our hobbies--also affect our brain development, each individual patient usually has more than one specific problem in his or her brain.

With the medicines so narrowly targetted, it means fewer side effects, and more tolerable side effects, but it also means that each patient frequently needs multiple drugs to address each different problem.

Which you would already understand if you didn't have a very extreme position on medication.

Anyone who doubts it is welcome to see the thread:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... =9&start=0

We already hashed it out there, and I'm not taking the time to rehash here.

Except to say that if one has four or five specific things wrong with one's brain, the psychiatric drugs have become narrowly targetted enough that one may indeed need four or five different drugs, at individualized dosages, to relieve the symptoms that one finds unpleasant and life-damaging.

What it means is that instead of very broad-spectrum one-size-fits-all drugs, which had a lot of nasty side effects because the drug was medicating things that *weren't* wrong with the particular patient along with the things that were, each drug is causing far fewer side effects because it is *only* fixing one particular thing that is wrong with that particular patient.

The doctors are going on an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," and "less is more," treatment model.

From the homeschooling mailing list for parents of pediatric bipolars, where it's customary to list your kids, their names and ages, their diagnoses, and the meds they're on, what I see is that the kids who are on several drugs usually have not one single illnesses, but pediatric bipolar disorder with several other comorbid disorders.

From what I've seen, if someone is taking four or five drugs, it is very likely because there are four or five different things wrong with his or her brain.

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« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2005, 04:05:00 AM »
uhm, i thought Deborah was pointing out that the kid was on four or five medications and still they were supposedly in need of a wilderness camp or whatever. irregardless, i can't help thinking maybe the kid is being medicated and messed with and the real problem is that the kid has had a rough time of it and needs some good old fashioned decent people to take him in. ain't no problems big enough that having the government in control of your life can't make it worse. four or five medications and a boot camp for a ward of the state. talk about a rough life.
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« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2005, 11:41:00 AM »
I'm not a fan of any involuntary "camps."  I'm just not.

But on the four or five medications---maybe there's a problem in the kid's medical care, maybe there's not.

I don't have enough information to be able to tell.

It depends on what kid's diagnosis is (or diagnoses are), and what the kid's medication history is---what's been tried and discontinued, and why.

It depends on the medications.

If each of those five does something different and the kid really needs each something done, it could be legitimate.  In any large population of people, if you're *looking* for examples of excesses in medicating people, you can find somebody with a lot of things wrong who needs so many medications it looks like there *has* to be some mistake.

Maybe there is.  Or maybe this is another case of the particular axe to grind that Deborah and her people have.

Without a lot more information, I don't know which.

I take ten pills a day, all of them legit:

   I take my three psychiatric medications, which I've already detailed the three different things they do.

   I take my blood pressure med.

   I take Claritin so I can keep my dog.

   I take a multivitamin because I don't always remember to eat my veggies.

   I take glucosamine/chondroitin because I'm a middle-aged martial artist and my joints take a lot of wear and tear.

   I take calcium because I don't want osteoporosis.

   I take fish oil because it reduces manic episodes and seems to help prevent or reduce mental illness--but nobody knows exactly how.

   I take Ginko Biloba because the bipolar disorder causes memory problems and GB is one of the few things that has been clinically proven to help memory in patients with things like Alzheimers.

The older you get, the more stuff goes wrong with you, the more pills and supplements you have to take each day to hold it all together.

Twenty-year-olds have the luxury of not swallowing pills.  Normal middle-aged and old people don't have that luxury---all but a very few of us find our lives prolonged and our quality of life enhanced by using drugs or supplements to treat the things that go wrong as our bodies age.

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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2005, 10:13:00 AM »
http://www.wndu.com/news/062005/news_42743.php
Osceola family suing over teen screen survey

In the lawsuit, Teresa and Michael Rhoades, parents of a Penn student, claim the survey was erroneous, improper, and done with reckless disregard for their daughter's welfare.  

The lawsuit also claims the Rhoades? did not give the school permission to give the test.  

http://www.wndu.com/news/022005/news_40591.php
Parents seek to eliminate suicide survey

Sophomores at Penn High School and South Bend High Schools, along with freshmen at Mishawaka High School, take the teen screen survey
Posted: 02/25/2005 04:26 pm
Last Updated: 02/25/2005 04:59 pm
Story filed by NewsCenter16 Reporter
Stephanie Stang

Indiana - A suicide survey that area high schools have been giving out may be done away with.  On Thursday, a group of parents placed an ad in the paper asking parents to show up at the next Penn-Harris-Madison school meeting to stop the survey.  

Incorrect results?
Teresa Rhoades always thought of her daughter, Chelsea, as a happy and active student.

?She gets good grades and helps mentor a girl at school,? said Rhoades.    

Last December, Chelsea came home from Penn High School diagnosed with an obsessive compulsive and social anxiety disorder after taking the teen screen survey.

?I was absolutely outraged that my daughter was told she had these two conditions based off a computer test,? said Rhoades.  

The survey, administered by Madison Center, is aimed at preventing teen suicide. Robert Howard is the superintendent of PHM schools. He says the teen screen is exactly that: a preventative tool.  

?Teen screening is probably one of five highly used screening mechanisms that are used as a preventive measure, and that are used as a comprehensive suicide prevention program,? said Howard.  

Sophomores at Penn High School and South Bend High Schools, along with freshmen at Mishawaka High School take the teen screen survey.  

The survey asks questions such as, ?Has there been a time when you had less energy than you usually do??

Rhoades feels that the questions are too broad. ?That?s what they are selling it as, but a lot of questions on there don?t tie to any suicide prevention,? said Rhoades.

The  Madison Center says the survey does have specific questions about suicide. Regardless, Rhoades says she wishes she knew about the survey before her daughter took it.

The school tells NewsCenter 16 they sent out a notice and it's up to the family to decide what to do with the results.  

?It?s a preventive strategy and an initiative,? said Howard. ?As you look at the program, you look at fairness and providing tools with the emotions that adolescents may confront in their day to day lives.?
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