Author Topic: Cults and Values  (Read 4717 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Dolphin

  • Posts: 37
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« on: June 17, 2004, 02:10:00 AM »
What is a cult?  Everyone seems to believe that parents that want to help their child - you know- be a parent - is somehow brainwashed into thinking a certain way.  

I've read the posts on the mom who is selling her son's play station because he drank their "gift" champagne and other alcohol.   I've read your judgments from struggling teens, the parents who are reaching out to each other in a time of crisis and helping each other. You seem to be angry at those that post on other boards that are not thinking like you.  Do you want other's to share this view with you. Is that not one of the definitions of a cult?  

Parents that intervened, chose an emotional growth program for their family are grateful to have others to reach out to, to stop doing what they've always been doing and learn new ways to be a parent and an individual -  more in alignment with their personally defined values. Their kids are doing the same.

In reading your posts, are your personally defined values hate, blame, control, enablement, judgment, self-rightousness,cynicism or a sense of power? It's a question.   :???:

Any time someone posts here that they came away with a better life, I see that many are telling them that it's only their imagination, that they were really abused and don't know it.

What is your payoff?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2004, 02:39:00 AM »
Dolphin, what's your payoff?  Keeping your kid in a controlled environment as the answer to teaching them respect for authority? Building their self-esteem?  Facilitating their emotional growth?   W.O.W. that is some accomplishment, no wonder you program parents need a support group.

 :silly:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2004, 02:56:00 AM »
Dolphin, you are suffering from a delusional disorder implanted by your program-of-choice.  Not to worry, I hear the prognosis for recovery is very good, once you have detached from the program and begin to regain your critical thinking skills, that is.

 :rofl:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Deborah

  • Posts: 5383
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2004, 09:51:00 AM »
I don't perceive the parents who regularly post at ST to be a support group. I think they more closely fit the definition of recruiters.

BTW, that message board is provided free of charge by an Ed Con who makes his living refering to and promoting programs. It is also censored so parents looking for any negative experiences won't find them there.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2004, 10:49:00 AM »
What I noticed right away on the ST board is how invested those parents are in controlling the behavior of their teenage children by keeping them under lock and key for months, even years.

When a newbie posts looking for information, the same handful of program parents respond by first, validating the concerns of the new parent (presumably to gain their trust and confidence)and second, explaining how their program-of-choice is working to change the no-gratitude attitude of their teens and/or bring harmony to a once chaotic household held hostage by a demanding, spoiled, out-of-control (read non-compliant) child.

What's interesting is the pathology among these parents, how their own emotional instability, obsessive expectations and demands, chemical dependency, etc. disabled their ability to effectively parent.  

It is the parents who are truly in need of help, but of course, the programs all know this, and as such, nearly all of them now have some kind of parental training program embedded in the features and components of their child's program.

The real tragedy is teens are being retrained to think and act in accordance to parent manuals created by people who are expert manipulators.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Antigen

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 12992
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
    • http://wwf.Fornits.com/
Cults and Values
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2004, 11:21:00 AM »
Quote
On 2004-06-16 23:10:00, Dolphin wrote:

I've read the posts on the mom who is selling her son's play station because he drank their "gift" champagne and other alcohol.


Dolphin, that this woman is selling the kid's game set is not what bothers me. Here's what bothers me about what this woman is doing. She's publicly castigating the kid w/ a 3 page rant about what a horrible child he is and inviting the public (strangers on the net, mind you) to drop him an email and join in on the public dunning.

This is emblemic of one of the primary flaws in the Troubled Parent industry. It encourages parents to turn against their children and then calls it good parenting. It's not. How can you believe that a group of strangers on the net have the ability to help you better live your own values? They don't even know you and they think your values are wrong, by definition, if they conflict w/ Program dogma.

You're getting taken for a ride, Dolphin.  

It continues to amaze me to talk to law students -- college
graduates all and smarter than the average bear -- who will
seriously tell me about how dangerous mj is and how it
destroys the lives of those who use it and who, in the
very next sentence, will tell me how they and their
friends -- now CPAs, engineers, med students -- used
pot regularly through high school and college.  And
they don't see the contradiction between these statements.

We're not just talking ignorance here -- we are talking
deep down, serious, religious indoctrination.


--Buford C. Terrell, Professor of Law, South Texas College of Law

« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Don\'t let the past remind us of what we are not now."
~ Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Sweet Judy Blue Eyes

Offline Antigen

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 12992
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
    • http://wwf.Fornits.com/
Cults and Values
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2004, 11:43:00 AM »
Ok, this appears to be spreading.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2250747916

Our youth can not understand why society chooses to criminalize a behavior with so little visible ill effect or adverse social impact... These young people have jumped the fence and found no cliff.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm' target='_new'>Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse

« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Don\'t let the past remind us of what we are not now."
~ Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Sweet Judy Blue Eyes

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2004, 11:53:00 AM »
OMG, Ginger (good work BTW) this ebay bashing is really a trip.  Take a look at the comments this Dad added, apparently in reaction to some stinging criticism.  Is this Dad high on something, or what?  

==============================

First- by selling these tickets I am really only entitled to the cost of their face value and the associated fees attached. To sell them for anything above face value is not fair to the artists?. PHISH?whom I respect more than any other band.

Second--- by calling my son a son-of-a-bitch I inadvertently called my wife a bitch. I did not intend to do this?I did not mean it literally?just as a figure of speech ?.however many people were upset about it. I apologize to you and to my wife.

I in my anger have done wrong and admit it?and I need to make it right. So as of right now (5/16 7:30PM)this auction is going to be a benefit for 2 important charities.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2004, 12:00:00 PM »
Wouldn't it be funny if some teen auctioned off their parents "toys" in retaliation for their parents spending more time with them (the toys) then with their children?  What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

 ::drummer::
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2004, 12:03:00 PM »
Quote
On 2004-06-17 07:49:00, Anonymous wrote:




The real tragedy is teens are being retrained to think and act in accordance to parent manuals created by people who are expert manipulators.



:nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Cayo Hueso

  • Posts: 1274
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2004, 12:20:00 PM »
There's a big difference between posting intimate details about your childs life on a forum and selling off some concert tix because your kid wrecked your car.  I read that whole thing.  The guy said that his kid was basically pretty good but he fucked up and wrecked the car.  I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same thing.  Maybe not on Ebay but that's just cause I don't have an account with them and would spend the time to do it just for that.

The kid trashed the car so dad sold his tix.  What is the big deal here??????

May your days be joyously challenging and your words artfully true.
--Ginger Warbis

« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
t. Pete Straight
early 80s

Offline thepatriot

  • Posts: 570
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2004, 12:22:00 PM »
Give it a rest already, this his father not his friend this is funny as hell and someday they will both look back at it and laugh their asses off. Dam if this was all my parents did to me instead of Straight incorporated.......shit people he is soposed to be the kids father not friend their is a differance, dam some of you are touchy
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
arasota Straight Escapee

Offline thepatriot

  • Posts: 570
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2004, 12:29:00 PM »
Quote
On 2004-06-17 08:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

"OMG, Ginger (good work BTW) this ebay bashing is really a trip.  Take a look at the comments this Dad added, apparently in reaction to some stinging criticism.  Is this Dad high on something, or what?  



==============================



First- by selling these tickets I am really only entitled to the cost of their face value and the associated fees attached. To sell them for anything above face value is not fair to the artists?. PHISH?whom I respect more than any other band.



Second--- by calling my son a son-of-a-bitch I inadvertently called my wife a bitch. I did not intend to do this?I did not mean it literally?just as a figure of speech ?.however many people were upset about it. I apologize to you and to my wife.



I in my anger have done wrong and admit it?and I need to make it right. So as of right now (5/16 7:30PM)this auction is going to be a benefit for 2 important charities.

"


Man I think this guy should do standup, they kid fucked up this is mild punishment compared to sending him to a program....jesus christ do some of you let your kids run wild and call you by your first name or even get high with them? now that would be a tragedy.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
arasota Straight Escapee

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2004, 12:48:00 PM »
How hard is it to sell Phish tickets on Ebay?  I would think not hard at all.  Used underwear?  Now that would be a challenge but it wouldn't surprise me to see some parent hawking their kid's underwear or even their own, claiming it was all for a "good cause".  Personally, I think these particular parents are more interested in making money than protecting the privacy of their children's lives and that kinda stinks, you know?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Cayo Hueso

  • Posts: 1274
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Cults and Values
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2004, 12:50:00 PM »
No, tell me you're not serious.  You really believe what this dad did was about making money?????

I just told my 19 year old about this.  She thinks it's hilarious and agrees with Patriot...they'll look back at it and laugh.

Suppose you were an idiot.  And suppose you were a member of Congress.  But I repeat myself.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=circlofmiamithem&keyword=mark+twain&mode=books' target='_new'> Mark Twain



_________________
St. Pete Straight
early 80s[ This Message was edited by: cayohueso on 2004-06-17 09:52 ]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
t. Pete Straight
early 80s