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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2004, 12:42:00 PM »
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/s ... Abuse.html

Justice Dept. Repudiates Memo on Torture
By TERENCE HUNT
AP White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON ? The Bush administration laid out its legal reasoning for denying terror war suspects the protections of international humanitarian law but immediately repudiated a key memo arguing that torture might be justified in the fight against al-Qaida.

The release Tuesday of hundreds of pages of internal memos by the White House was meant to blunt criticism that President Bush had laid the groundwork for the abuses of Iraqi prisoners by condoning torture. The president insisted Tuesday: "I have never ordered torture."

But critics said the developments left unresolved some questions about the administration's current guidelines for interrogating prisoners in Iraq and around the world. For example, a 2002 order signed by Bush says the president reserves the right to suspend the Geneva Conventions on treatment of prisoners of war at any time.

"These documents raise more questions than they answer," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y. "The White House is better off coming clean and releasing all relevant and nonclassified documents."

The White House released Defense Department memos detailing some of the harsh interrogation methods approved ? and then rescinded ? by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld in 2002 and 2003. The administration continues to refuse to say what interrogation methods are approved for use now.

Six soldiers face criminal charges for abusing and humiliating Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Ghraib complex near Baghdad. Another soldier pleaded guilty and received a one-year prison term. The Justice Department has filed criminal assault charges against a contract CIA interrogator, accusing him of beating a prisoner in Afghanistan who later died.

An Aug. 1, 2002, Justice Department memo argues that torture ? and even deliberate killing ? of prisoners in the terror war could be justified as necessary to protect the United States. The memo from then-assistant attorney general Jay Bybee also offers a restricted definition of torture, saying only actions that cause severe pain akin to organ failure would be torture.

Bybee is now a justice on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The Justice Department backed away from Bybee's memo Tuesday. Senior department officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said the memo would be rewritten because it contains advice that is too broad and irrelevant. The officials, who briefed several reporters in a widely publicized news conference, said department policy allowed them to demand anonymity.

The White House also released documents detailing some of the most harsh interrogation methods Rumsfeld approved for use on prisoners at the lockup at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Rumsfeld's Nov. 27, 2002, memo approved several methods which apparently would violate Geneva Convention rules, including:

_Putting detainees in "stress positions," such as standing, for up to four hours.
_Removing prisoners' clothes.
_Intimidating detainees with dogs.
_Interrogating prisoners for 20 hours at a time.
_Forcing prisoners to wear hoods during interrogations and transportation.
_Shaving detainees' heads and beards.
_Using "mild, non-injurious physical contact," such as poking.

Prisoners at Abu Ghraib were interrogated for as long as 20 hours at a time, kept hooded and naked, intimidated with dogs and forcibly shaved. Bush and other administration officials have said other treatment at the Iraqi prison, such as forcing prisoners to perform sex acts, beating them and piling them in a naked human pyramid, were unquestionably illegal.

Less than two months later, on Jan. 15, 2003, Rumsfeld rescinded approval for those methods without saying why. He appointed a Pentagon panel to recommend proper interrogation methods.

That panel reported to Rumsfeld in April 2003, and its recommendations included prohibiting the removal of clothes, which it said could be considered inhumane treatment under international law. Rumsfeld issued a new set of approved interrogation methods later that month, disallowing nakedness and requiring approval for four techniques: use of rewards or removal of privileges; verbally attacking or insulting the ego of a detainee; alternating friendly and unfriendly interrogators in a "good cop, bad cop" method; and isolation.

Bush had agreed in February 2002 that al-Qaida and Taliban prisoners at Guantanamo Bay were not protected by the Geneva Conventions on prisoners of war because they violated the laws of war themselves.

Bush's previously secret Feb. 7, 2002, order also agrees with Justice and Pentagon lawyers that a president can ignore U.S. law and treaties.

"I accept the legal conclusion of the Attorney General and the Department of Justice that I have the authority to suspend Geneva (conventions) as between the United States and Afghanistan," Bush wrote. "I reserve the right to exercise this authority in this or future conflicts."

Bush and Rumsfeld have said the Geneva Conventions do apply to all prisoners in Iraq.

But Rumsfeld acknowledged last week that he ordered a suspected terrorist to be secretly held in Iraq without notifying the International Committee of the Red Cross, which is a violation of the Geneva Conventions. Rumsfeld said he approved an unspecified number of other, similar secret detentions.

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Associated Press writers Curt Anderson, Robert Burns and Scott Lindlaw contributed to this report.
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« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2004, 01:01:00 PM »
Oh please, where was the outrage when Iraqi's hung the charred bodies of US soldiers off some bridge?  Nice touch, but as we are seeing, barbarism in the Middle East is a way of life. Saddams doberman pincher dogs didn't just bark and menance captive Iraqi's -- they ripped them apart, limb by limb.
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« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2004, 06:39:00 PM »
The treaty on torture was a great feat and a noble one. Our government should abide by it. If we are to be respected as a nation we must not stoop to the low and inhumane methods used by sadistic and evil leaders like Hussein and Hitler.  Just because some fringe militants burned the bodies of US soldiers is no excuse for our Soldiers to do likewise.

What we have right now is massive governmental corruption. It is disgusting. My experience with this industry and the governmental lack of concern for the welfare of mentally ill children in these facilities has shown me that our government is corrupt.  Shit runs downhill. President Bush and many of his advisors are corrupt.  This is why they turn a blind eye and deaf ear to reports of child abuse in this teen industry.  If those photos had not been shown to the world those Iraqi men would be tortured today.  

Where's our humanity and value for human life? If we can justify what has been done in the name of the war on terror because some hoodlums did worse, how can we claim to be civilized?

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« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2004, 08:37:00 PM »
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Oh please, where was the outrage when Iraqi's hung the charred bodies of US soldiers off some bridge?


All over the world. Not so much, though, as the shock and sympathy immediately following the 911 attack. Damned shame this administration frittered away all that commiseration and sold us out for the big bucks and political currency instead.

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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2004, 01:49:00 AM »
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article ... =2&cid=842

AOL News - Study Says Doctors Were Involved in Iraqi Prisoner Abuse
Updated: 12:16 AM EDT

Study Says Doctors Were Involved in Iraqi Prisoner Abuse
By EMMA ROSS, AP
LONDON (Aug. 19) -- Doctors working for the U.S. military in Iraq collaborated with interrogators in the abuse of detainees at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib
prison, profoundly breaching medical ethics and human rights, a bioethicist charges in The Lancet medical journal.

In a scathing analysis of the behavior of military doctors, nurses and medics, University of Minnesota professor Steven Miles calls for a reform of military medicine and an official investigation into the role played by physicians
and other medical staff in the torture scandal.
 
The study cites evidence that doctors or medics at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison falsified death certificates to cover up homicides, hid evidence of beatings and revived a prisoner so that he could be further tortured.  

He cites evidence that doctors or medics falsified death certificates to cover up homicides, hid evidence of beatings and revived a prisoner so he could be further tortured. No reports of abuses were initiated by medical personnel until the official investigation into Abu Ghraib began, he found.

''The medical system collaborated with designing and implementing psychologically and physically coercive interrogations,'' Miles said in this week's edition of Lancet. ''Army officials stated that a physician and a psychiatrist helped design, approve and monitor interrogations at Abu Ghraib.''

The analysis does not shed light on how many doctors were involved or how widespread the problem of medical complicity was, aspects that Miles said he is now investigating.

A U.S. military spokesman said the incidents recounted by Miles came primarily from the Pentagon's own investigation of the abuses.

''Many of these cases remain under investigation and charges will be brought against any individual where there is evidence of abuse,'' said Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, U.S. Army spokesman for detainee operations in Iraq.

In a related matter, two military officials in Washington said Thursday that a high-level Army inquiry will cite medical personnel who knew of abuse at Abu Ghraib but did not report it up the chain of command. The inquiry also will criticize senior U.S. commanders for a lack of leadership that allowed abuses to occur, but finds no evidence they ordered the abuse, said the sources, who spoke condition of anonymity.

Photographs of prisoners being abused and humiliated by U.S. troops in Iraq have sparked worldwide condemnation. Although the conduct of soldiers has been scrutinized, the role of medical staff in the scandal has received
relatively little attention.
 
''The detaining power's health personnel are the first and often the last line of defense against human rights abuses. Their failure to assume that role emphasizes to the prisoner how utterly beyond humane appeal they are,'' Miles said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.

He said military medicine reform needs to be enshrined in international law and include more clout for military medical staff in the defense of human rights.

Miles gathered evidence from U.S. congressional hearings, sworn statements of detainees and soldiers, medical journal accounts and press reports to build a picture of physician complicity, and in isolated cases active
participation by medical personnel in abuse at the Baghdad prison, as well as in Afghanistan and at the Guantanamo Bay detention center in Cuba.

In one example, cited in a sworn statement from an Abu Ghraib detainee, a prisoner collapsed and was apparently unconscious after a beating. Medical staff revived the detainee and left, allowing the abuse to continue, Miles reported.

Depositions from two detainees at Abu Ghraib described an incident in which a doctor allowed a medically untrained guard to sew up a prisoner's wound.

A military police officer reported a medic inserted an intravenous tube into the corpse of a detainee who died while being tortured to create evidence that he was alive at the hospital, Miles said.

At prisons in both Iraq and Afghanistan, ''Physicians routinely attributed
detainee deaths on death certificates to heart attacks, heat stroke or natural causes without noting the unnatural (cause) of the death,'' Miles wrote.

He cites an example from a Human Rights Watch report in which soldiers tied a beaten detainee to the top of his cell door and gagged him. The death certificate indicated he died of ''natural causes ... during his sleep.'' However, after media coverage, the Pentagon changed the cause of death to homicide by blunt force injuries and suffocation.

Dr. Robert Jay Lifton, a psychiatrist at Harvard University-affiliated Cambridge Hospital who wrote a book on doctors and torture in Nazi Germany, called the Lancet analysis ''a very good, detailed description of violations of
medical policies involving medical ethics.''
 
In a July 29 New England Journal of Medicine essay, Lifton urged medics to report what they know about American torture at Abu Ghraib and other prisons, and said in an interview Thursday that a non-military-led investigation of doctors' conduct is needed.

''They made choices,'' he said. ''No doctor would have been physically abused or put to death if he or she tried to interrupt that torture. It would have taken courage, but it was a choice they had.''

The World Medical Association, an umbrella group for national medical associations, reiterated its policy of condemning any doctor's involvement in abuse or torture of detainees.

In an editorial comment, The Lancet condemned the behavior of the doctors, saying that despite dual loyalties, they are doctors first and soldiers
second.
 
''Health care workers should now break their silence,'' the journal said. ''Those who were involved or witnessed ill-treatment need to give a full and accurate account of events at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. Those who are still in positions where dual commitments prevent them from putting the rights of their patients above other interests should protest loudly and refuse
cooperation with authorities.''
 
Johnson, the Army spokesman, said the U.S. military ''will allow no actions that undermine or compromise medical professionals' commitment to caring for the sick and wounded, regardless of who they are or their circumstances.''

In his article, Miles dismissed Pentagon officials putting the blame for the abuse on poor training, understaffing, racism, pressure to procure intelligence and the stress of war.

''Fundamentally, however, the stage for these offenses was set by policies that were lax or permissive with regard to human rights abuses, and a military command that was inattentive to human rights,'' Miles concluded.

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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2004, 03:38:00 AM »
IT SEEMS LIKE THE SAME THING HAPPENS IN SOME OF THESE YOUTH PROGRAMS. THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS COVER UP THE ABUSE OF THE STAFF AND OTHERS...

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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2004, 07:53:00 AM »
Give it up!! you're really reaching now aren't you?? :???:
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« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2004, 01:10:00 AM »
Not really. Every demagog who eventually wins a notorious place in history starts out as some well intended altruist out to save somebody else's children.

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« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2004, 01:44:00 PM »
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On 2004-06-23 10:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Oh please, where was the outrage when Iraqi's hung the charred bodies of US soldiers off some bridge?  Nice touch, but as we are seeing, barbarism in the Middle East is a way of life. Saddams doberman pincher dogs didn't just bark and menance captive Iraqi's -- they ripped them apart, limb by limb.  "


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