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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #570 on: July 30, 2010, 11:12:13 PM »
Personally I could care less if people posting here work for programs, own programs, or whatever. It doesn't mean their argument is not credible, actually it shows they really believe what they say because they are willing to stand behind it, and invest in trying to make their ideas happen. On the other hand, those who claim there are hundreds of child gulags abusing kids out there, just argue online and think anybody is going to read it. Maybe Obama? He will read this thread and then issue a signing statement shutting down all treatment? I think I'd believe the people here more, if like people who work and own programs, they put their money where there mouth is. Get together a few "survivors" and do a hunger strike in front of a different program each month, this will get you some media attention. There must be more effective ways of fighting child abuse than arguing with Whooter, at least I think so.
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« Reply #571 on: July 30, 2010, 11:16:08 PM »
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I know first hand how their screening process works.

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"Firsthand knowledge" is knowledge gained through direct experience or observation.
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Not "someone explained it to me" or "I heard it from the intake people" but "I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES."  Whooter made a big admission here.

Lols.  Yesterday SUCK IT was saying "Whooter has never uttered anything that would lead anyone to believe he works in the industry," calling it a "Fornits myth" told by the "Fornits extremists."  

Now it's "I don't care that he works in the industry.  It means he believes in what he's saying"  

SUCK IT's hypocrisy is shining on display tonight!  It called LYING and DECEIVING, SUCK IT.
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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #572 on: July 30, 2010, 11:21:16 PM »
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Whooter"
I know first hand how their screening process works.

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"Firsthand knowledge" is knowledge gained through direct experience or observation.
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Not "someone explained it to me" or "I heard it from the intake people" but "I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES."  Whooter made a big admission here.

Lols.  Yesterday SUCK IT was saying "Whooter has never uttered anything that would lead anyone to believe he works in the industry," calling it a "Fornits myth" told by the "Fornits extremists."  

Now it's "I don't care that he works in the industry.  It means he believes in what he's saying"  

SUCK IT's hypocrisy is shining on display tonight!  It called LYING and DECEIVING, SUCK IT.


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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #573 on: July 30, 2010, 11:22:05 PM »
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Whooter"
I know first hand how their screening process works.

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"Firsthand knowledge" is knowledge gained through direct experience or observation.
link

Not "someone explained it to me" or "I heard it from the intake people" but "I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES."  Whooter made a big admission here.

Lols.  Yesterday SUCK IT was saying "Whooter has never uttered anything that would lead anyone to believe he works in the industry," calling it a "Fornits myth" told by the "Fornits extremists."  

Now it's "I don't care that he works in the industry.  It means he believes in what he's saying"  

SUCK IT's hypocrisy is shining on display tonight!  It called LYING and DECEIVING, SUCK IT.


DJ,  I think you have finally lost it.  This last debate was too much for you or the study pushed you over the edge.  Maybe you should put a link in your footer telling everyone I sit in on the the kids acceptance screening processes!!  lol



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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #574 on: July 30, 2010, 11:24:22 PM »
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Whooter"
I know first hand how their screening process works.

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"Firsthand knowledge" is knowledge gained through direct experience or observation.
link

Not "someone explained it to me" or "I heard it from the intake people" but "I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES."  Whooter made a big admission here.

Lols.  Yesterday SUCK IT was saying "Whooter has never uttered anything that would lead anyone to believe he works in the industry," calling it a "Fornits myth" told by the "Fornits extremists."  

Now it's "I don't care that he works in the industry.  It means he believes in what he's saying"  

SUCK IT's hypocrisy is shining on display tonight!  It called LYING and DECEIVING, SUCK IT.

If that's how you feel about it. I accept the fact I don't know who is behind usernames here, and it really doesn't bother me much. I focus on what people have to say, their arguments and comments. Even if someone claims to be something, they might be something else, and this goes for all posters here. So as a logical person, what other choice is there to address arguments directly and skip my theories about the biographies of those behind them.

I notice you dysfunction choose to spend your time attempting to discredit Whooter through technicalities, instead of just offering your own experience as a counter argument. Whooter says he had a teen child in a program and it helped them, this is completely believable to me. I don't know anything about you, or why you think programs are abusive, or even what program you worked at. Because you don't talk about what you know and experienced, you prefer to delve into the realm of conspiracy theories, and yes they are theories because you don't know who Whooter is. If it turned out he did in fact work for a program, something nobody knows here (hence it being a myth), then it would not change my view of him or his arguments, although yes I might have to edit that out of my mythology. But since nobody knows, in the mythology it belongs.

Imagine if you were in a debate hall, and the topic is, say "are programs abusive"? Whooter could make some good arguments that they are generally not, and most kids are helped. But then you would stand up, and attack Whooter for who he is, where he works, and past statements. I don't think this type of argument would fly in a real debate setting. You could debate the things I post in my mythology as others have, but instead you look for tiny discrepancies (in your view) of my posts, hoping to brand me a "LIAR" and "DECEIVER", thereby dismissing everything I've ever said, and will say, which is a lot easier than you offering intelligent counter arguments. But calling names doesn't make it so, and if anybody comes to this website they will listen to Whooter's arguments and mine, and the best counter to this from your side would be to do the same thing, make arguments, rather than desperately try to discredit people entirely. This is some free advice for you dysfunction.

Remember, as a "survivor" I could take the same tactic against you. You worked for "abusive" programs (according to your own logic) therefore you are a bad person, and should not be believed. Do you think this is an effective argument and I would convince people using it? Because you do the exact same thing just the other way around, think about it.
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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #575 on: July 30, 2010, 11:25:30 PM »
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
The pearls of knowledge are just rolling out of the oysters tonight, folks.  Check thisout:

Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
That's funny.  Spoken like a person who has never seen the inside of a program business office...

Mothball an empty bed?  You're unhinged.  The program motto is "Heads in beds and asses in chairs."  I've heard this verbatim many times.  Empty beds means empty accounts.  That's definitley not how they operate.

Its okay if you disagree,DJ, I happen to know differently.  This may have been the way in the programs you worked in.

I have seen the screening process and seen kids being rejected and the program moved forward with a lighter peer group.  They could have easily accepted one of those other kids for a few months until they filled the slot, but they didnt.

And, finally, once again, the truth comes out.  

Now where would Whooter, "Just a regular parent with no ties to the TTI," have seen the internal screening processes and selection cycles of programs?  How could he have been in the room when children were being evaluated, and seen the selection deliberations, I wonder?  

Wow.  Stunning admission there.  You can hear him saying "It might have been that way in programs you worked for DJ, but not the ones I work for.  Bravo.

Quoted For Truth, too.  That closes that issue.  Whooter admits working for programs.

You said it...not me!  "Wiggle, wiggle!  Squirm, squirm!  Stings, doesn't it? "  It's not going to go away...
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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #576 on: July 31, 2010, 12:23:04 PM »
John, are you back to pretending you have a daughter again?


Why don't you tell everyone about the meeting you claimed to attend where a study was conducted to determine the safety of the TBS industry?
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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #577 on: July 31, 2010, 02:12:24 PM »
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John, are you back to pretending you have a daughter again?


Why don't you tell everyone about the meeting you claimed to attend where a study was conducted to determine the safety of the TBS industry?

No, that was a  Secret Meeting that "you" attended with the industry people.  

Here lets take a look:

Quote from: "RobertBruce"
The number 20,000 was given as a rough estimate as to how many kids were locked up in the PTS. It was agreed upon at a secret meeting a number of us attended at the Newark Hilton. Punch was served. If you have another number I'd be more than willing to add it to a seperate spread sheet and include it in later data.


Hmmm.. all these conspiracy theories and secret meetings going on.



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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #578 on: July 31, 2010, 05:24:38 PM »
Oh John did you forget? Here you are:

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by TheWho ยป Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:29 am

Well, I PM?d several people here on fornits and eventually we formed a ?Statistical group? and decided to meet at the Hyatt in Chicago about a month ago. We spent 3 days hammering out a direction and figured we would tackle the TBS sector first. We felt you were well respected here at fornits and had your hands around the other areas and were doing fine independently. Your name was brought up several times so you were not forgotten or left out.

Good to see you haven't forgotten how to put your foot in your mouth.
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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #579 on: July 31, 2010, 05:25:41 PM »
Better repost this just to make sure John doesn't edit his comments.


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Quote from: "RobertBruce"
John, are you back to pretending you have a daughter again?


Why don't you tell everyone about the meeting you claimed to attend where a study was conducted to determine the safety of the TBS industry?

No, that was a  Secret Meeting that "you" attended with the industry people.  

Here lets take a look:

Quote from: "RobertBruce"
The number 20,000 was given as a rough estimate as to how many kids were locked up in the PTS. It was agreed upon at a secret meeting a number of us attended at the Newark Hilton. Punch was served. If you have another number I'd be more than willing to add it to a seperate spread sheet and include it in later data.


Hmmm.. all these conspiracy theories and secret meetings going on.



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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #580 on: July 31, 2010, 06:04:49 PM »
So you had a meeting in Newark and I had one in Chicago.  Why is that a problem?  Is there another conspiracy that I am not aware of?



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« Reply #581 on: July 31, 2010, 06:18:06 PM »
My conference was for abuse survivors from the TBS. What was yours for John, and why have you claimed you don't have a connection to the industry if you're attending meetings connected to it?
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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #582 on: July 31, 2010, 06:45:05 PM »
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My conference was for abuse survivors from the TBS. What was yours for John, and why have you claimed you don't have a connection to the industry if you're attending meetings connected to it?

Why dont you read the post that you put up?  Does it say I was meeting with TI people?  Were you meeting with TI people?



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« Reply #583 on: July 31, 2010, 10:13:26 PM »
Well John, you claimed you attended a meeting with fornits posters where you formed a statistical group discussing the TBS. So again why would you attend such a meeting if you have no connection to the TBS industry?
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« Reply #584 on: July 31, 2010, 10:30:40 PM »
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Well John, you claimed you attended a meeting with fornits posters where you formed a statistical group discussing the TBS. So again why would you attend such a meeting if you have no connection to the TBS industry?

If I were attending a meeting with fornits posters then that must mean I enjoy meeting with them.  If you consider fornits part of the TBS industry then I guess we are all part of it.  Did you enjoy your meeting with the TBS industry in Newark?  lol



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