Tranquility Bay parents on attack

[Oscar]

They failed to destroy the life of their son, so now they are going after those who told the truth of the place the banished their son to:

Michael and Miriam Hersh demand Yahoo! and Google release names of blog commenters for $411M lawsuit, by Simone Weichselbaum, New York Daily News, July 22, 2010

[DannyB II]

Well if your spreading lies, that is defamation and you can be successfully sued for that. I don't believe you should use anonymity as part of your slanderous assault on someone.
I understand we are talking about Tranquility Bay and concerned citizens trying to help their son. Which I salute but using slander to accomplish the mission.
Obviously we don't know all the particulars about this relationship between son and parents (from reading one small article) but I would gather his parents were not lying about how they felt that he needed treatment (in their mind and hearts). I am not saying the son did or did not need some form of help, all I am saying is do we go to slander (extremism) to get what "the" advocates want.
The (so-called rescuers) are just as bad if not worse then the parents for crying out loud.

[Ursus]

New York Daily News
Michael and Miriam Hersh demand Yahoo! and Google release names of blog commenters for $411M lawsuit
BY Simone Weichselbaum · DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, July 22nd 2010, 4:00 AM


thecooljew.net; failedmessiah.typepad.com
Michael Hersh (b.) and wife Miriam are trying to sue anonymous commenters that criticized the couple's parenting decisions on blogs such as the cooljew.net and failedmessiah.com.


An angry Brooklyn couple whose parenting choices were excoriated online by scores of anonymous commenters are demanding Yahoo and Google unmask their attackers so they can sue them for $411 million.

Michael and Miriam Hersh were pilloried after their fellow Orthodox Jews in March 2008 launched a bizarre rescue mission to pull their troubled teen son from a behavior boot camp they put him in.

Michael Hersh was described as a "Nazi" - and worse - by commenters on thecooljew.com Web site. He and and his wife were further criticized across the blogosophere.

The Hersh family, which declined comment yesterday, has insisted in the past they were looking out for their son's best interests - not being cruel.

The online criticism of the mom and dad was relentless, and Michael Hersh says it's to blame for his firing from his $200,000-a-year job as the CEO of Hatzolah, the Jewish volunteer ambulance corps that serves the city.

The suit filed in Brooklyn Supreme Court cites one site - thefailedmessiah.com - for posting Michael Hersh's picture and asking: "Should this man be CEO of Hatzalah. ... Shouldn't he and his wife be in jail."

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, a group that says its fighting for Internet freedom - and Web anonymity - is trying to block subpoenas sent to Yahoo and Google, which hosted the blogs in question.

The suit is the latest in a line of suits the foundation's senior staff lawyer Matt Zimmerman said could chill free speech on the freewheeling Internet.

"All you have to do is file a lawsuit, issue a subpoena and find the identities of your critics," said Zimmerman.

"This is happening more and more," he added, "so more people are being offended than ever before."

Still, he thinks their right to remain anonymous should be protected by the courts.

"No blog is safe," said the blogger behind a site called theunorthodoxjew. "Any blog will be affected if Yahoo or Google gives up the information."

Media law expert Sam Bayard said Internet users should realize there is a difference between criticizing someone you disagree with - and spreading lies about them.

"If what you are saying is illegal, known as defamation, someone can sue you," said Bayard, who is the assistant director of the Citizen Media Law Project at Harvard Law School.

Besides the bloggers, the Hershes also name their relatives, Hasidic activist Tzvi Gluck and nearly a dozen others who coordinated the effort to rescue their son from Tranquility Bay, a notoriously rough boot camp.

With Edgar Sandoval

simonew@nydailynews.com


© Copyright 2010 NYDailyNews.com.

[Pile of Dead Kids]

Oh, yes. Trying to sue people for telling the truth. That'll work very well, just like it did for Sue Scheff.

Streissand Effect is already all over the Internet for this one. If people didn't know that Michael and Miriam Hersh were child abusing shitheads before, they sure do now.

I love it when programmies self-destruct like this, is there any way to encourage more of it? Hey Danny, want to tell all the program parents you meet that someone is slandering them on the Internet and they can sue for it? Go on, it'll work perfectly!

[Ursus]

Well if your spreading lies, that is defamation and you can be successfully sued for that. I don't believe you should use anonymity as part of your slanderous assault on someone.
I understand we are talking about Tranquility Bay and concerned citizens trying to help their son. Which I salute but using slander to accomplish the mission.
Obviously we don't know all the particulars about this relationship between son and parents (from reading one small article) but I would gather his parents were not lying about how they felt that he needed treatment (in their mind and hearts). I am not saying the son did or did not need some form of help, all I am saying is do we go to slander (extremism) to get what "you" (advocates) want.
The (so-called rescuers) are just as bad if not worse then the parents for crying out loud.

Perhaps ya might wanna do a little more research as to just what IS already known about the case ... prior to making your assumptions, mmm?

See also this post by Covergaard in December of 2008...

[DannyB II]

Oh, yes. Trying to sue people for telling the truth. That'll work very well, just like it did for Sue Scheff.

Streissand Effect is already all over the Internet for this one. If people didn't know that Michael and Miriam Hersh were child abusing shitheads before, they sure do now.

I love it when programmies self-destruct like this, is there any way to encourage more of it? Hey Danny, want to tell all the program parents you meet that someone is slandering them on the Internet and they can sue for it? Go on, it'll work perfectly!

Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.I don't believe this type of publicity, Pile helps your cause at all. This will only help their cause even more.
Those  chicken shit anon-posters who want to lie to get their point across should be prosecuted and I believe you know this.

Don't make this into whether I support programs or not because I am not originating my argument from there.
I don't believe I will have to tell parents Pile, you already damn near found out how much trouble you could get in, son. Something tells me you have not learned your lesson either, extremism is a "miscarriage of justice" Pile.  

It is just a matter of time when Anon's will have to pay (pun intended) for their derelictions.

[Ursus]

Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.

:roflmao:  Somehow, I have my doubts about that...

[DannyB II]

Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.

:roflmao:  Somehow, I have my doubts about that...

Why???
Oh because he went to Tranquility Bay, com'on Ursus you can't be this arrogant concerning your cause, to think they are ashamed they sent their son to this program and want it hidden.  
They are angry because people defamed them.
Wow you folks really just have one way of thinking around here, "your way".
Ursus big world out there, everyone is not operating within your thoughts.

Ursus, I had a parent ask me maybe 3 months ago why are you still posting here. I said, "I really did not know", still don't.
This parent sent her daughter to a Wilderness program, things went awful and she took her daughter back home. Conditions are much better today I might add.
She found this site trying to find forums, threads and posts concerning children and parents with similar experiences, she could not find anything with substance. I tried also but was surprised to find the same results. This is what prompted her to question me.
Funny part is your a parent and many others are too, yet you extend little to parents. Maybe you just don't know how or you have confused latent feeling toward your parents which manifest itself here through a sense of indifference.

No from that short article, I don't believe they are worried about publicity, 400million suit should attest to that.

[BuzzKill]

Someone might want to send them a copy of the WWASP V Sue Scheff trial transcript.

A trial means people get to take the stand and give sworn testimony about why they said what they said. Its not gonna be positive or supportive of Tranquility Bay, or any parent with the flood of information in front of them who fought to keep a child there.

Speaking of which a copy of ISAC's Tranquility Bay report, and WWASP alleged crimes report might come in handy as well.

[Pile of Dead Kids]

you already damn near found out how much trouble you could get in, son

ITT Danny tries to threaten me :rofl: :roflmao:

Now do it again, but this time in a girl voice!

[Whooter]

Anyone who would say that parents would want to keep it a secret hasn't met program parents before or do not have an understanding of the situation.  I don’t know a parent who would be ashamed of sending a child to Wilderness or a Program.  There are those who argue that a child should never be separated from the family for any reason, but aside from that most people feel that the parents went over and above trying to help their child and admire their dedication to helping their children.

Many times the reason placement of a child in a program is not discussed  in mixed company or kept quiet is for respect of or to shelter the child from embarrassment.  Many of the children want to forget that “Speed Bump” in their lives and discussing it openly reminds the child of mistakes that he/she made in their lives.



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[Ursus]

Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.

:roflmao:  Somehow, I have my doubts about that...

Why???
Oh because he went to Tranquility Bay, com'on Ursus you can't be this arrogant concerning your cause, to think they are ashamed they sent their son to this program and want it hidden.  
They are angry because people defamed them.
Wow you folks really just have one way of thinking around here, "your way".
Ursus big world out there, everyone is not operating within your thoughts.

Ursus, I had a parent ask me maybe 3 months ago why are you still posting here. I said, "I really did not know", still don't.
This parent sent her daughter to a Wilderness program, things went awful and she took her daughter back home. Conditions are much better today I might add.
She found this site trying to find forums, threads and posts concerning children and parents with similar experiences, she could not find anything with substance. I tried also but was surprised to find the same results. This is what prompted her to question me.
Funny part is your a parent and many others are too, yet you extend little to parents. Maybe you just don't know how or you have confused latent feeling toward your parents which manifest itself here through a sense of indifference.

No from that short article, I don't believe they are worried about publicity, 400million suit should attest to that.

LOL. Put some muscle behind that motor (mouth), Dannyboy, and you might begin to garner yourself some respect 'round here. 'Till then...

[Ursus]

Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.

:roflmao:  Somehow, I have my doubts about that...

Anyone who would say that parents would want to keep it a secret hasn't met program parents before or do not have an understanding of the situation. I don't know a parent who would be ashamed of sending a child to Wilderness or a Program. There are those who argue that a child should never be separated from the family for any reason, but aside from that most people feel that the parents went over and above trying to help their child and admire their dedication to helping their children.

I laughed about this earlier, 'cuz even though these parents might want SOME of this case out in the public, I'm sure they don't want ALL of it ... and that is not something you can control once the press starts airing all the dirty laundry.

However, Whooter is right when it comes to dyed in the wool program parents, and, with all due respect as I'm sure the situation's complex, these would be them alright...

[DannyB II]

Pile this does not concern itself with the, "Streissand Effect". I don't believe they are trying to suppress the information, they want it out in public, they want every single bit of it out for the public to see.

:roflmao:  Somehow, I have my doubts about that...

Why???
Oh because he went to Tranquility Bay, com'on Ursus you can't be this arrogant concerning your cause, to think they are ashamed they sent their son to this program and want it hidden.  
They are angry because people defamed them.
Wow you folks really just have one way of thinking around here, "your way".
Ursus big world out there, everyone is not operating within your thoughts.

Ursus, I had a parent ask me maybe 3 months ago why are you still posting here. I said, "I really did not know", still don't.
This parent sent her daughter to a Wilderness program, things went awful and she took her daughter back home. Conditions are much better today I might add.
She found this site trying to find forums, threads and posts concerning children and parents with similar experiences, she could not find anything with substance. I tried also but was surprised to find the same results. This is what prompted her to question me.
Funny part is your a parent and many others are too, yet you extend little to parents. Maybe you just don't know how or you have confused latent feeling toward your parents which manifest itself here through a sense of indifference.

No from that short article, I don't believe they are worried about publicity, 400million suit should attest to that.

LOL. Put some muscle behind that motor (mouth), Dannyboy, and you might begin to garner yourself some respect 'round here. 'Till then...

Ursus,
I guess I made my point...aye Ursus. You have not a clue you just react.
The difference between you and I is, I really do not care whether you respect my opinions or not. I am not going to read coverguard or anything else you suggest because as usual it has nothing to do with my "original" point.
In this case the parents of this child are suing for defamation. I then went on to talk about Anon's, going willy nilly because they feel omnipotent.
That's it.....
You can make up what you want from here.....bye bye.

[Ursus]

Ursus,
I guess I made my point...aye Ursus. You have not a clue you just react.
The difference between you and I is, I really do not care whether you respect my opinions or not. I am not going to read coverguard or anything else you suggest because as usual it has nothing to do with my "original" point.
In this case the parents of this child are suing for defamation. I then went on to talk about Anon's, going willy nilly because they feel omnipotent.
That's it.....
You can make up what you want from here.....bye bye.

How can you even make an "original point," when you know next to nothing about any of the facts?

And yet you refuse to educate yourself, even when the means are quite literally handed to you?






Oh. Right. How silly of me...