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« on: September 19, 2003, 08:20:00 PM »
was there ANOTHER wwasp school closed today??  ha ha ha ha  :rofl:
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2003, 08:51:00 PM »
It was just their upper level transition program that the state social services wanted to be licensed as something it is not.  No biggie - they have other programs that already have the upper level transition in place.  It was never set up to be a behavior modification program.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2003, 09:43:00 PM »
So are you saying the isolation room's and observational positioning, staff watch and restraining is only used in the "behavioral modification" facilities? The facility closed today were not using the "behavior modification" form of educating?
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2003, 10:17:00 PM »
HA HA HEEE HEEEEE SO YOU(WWASPIE) MEAN TO TELL EVERYONE  HA HA (EXCUSE ME) THAT WWASP ONLY OPENED IT TO HAVE IT CLOSED, THATS ITS NO BIGGIE?  HE HE HE HEHA HA HA (IM REALLY SORRY )  SO YOU SAY THEY REALLY DIDNT NEED IT ANYWAY!!! HA HA HA HA(WHAT THE HELL, I MEAN TO LAUGH AT BAG MAN :exclaim:)  YES I GUESS THEY WOULD WANT TO OPEN SCHOOLS TO HAVE THEM SHUT DOWN HA HA HE HE HE HE  :lol:  :lol:
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2003, 10:28:00 PM »
Damn- here they go again those unreasonable people making WWASP be who they say they are...Accountability remember! if you could just get them to fork over the dough and get them re-trained at a seminar....

it's always no big deal but add another one to the list!!     :tup:
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2003, 10:34:00 PM »
So what does this bring the shuts downs to? 5, 6 or 7?  Maybe 8.  Is anyone smelling the coffee yet?
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2003, 10:35:00 PM »
Was it Bell Academy in CA?  Wasn't it owned by Jade Robinson and Karr Farnsworth?
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2003, 01:25:00 AM »
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"So are you saying the isolation room's and observational positioning, staff watch and restraining is only used in the "behavioral modification" facilities? The facility closed today were not using the "behavior modification" form of educating? "


Actually NO, they did not use any of the above.  It wasn't even in their catalog as it was an upper level transition facility only.  No allegations of abuse, etc...sorry.  Simply put, the Dept of Social Services wanted to control it, wwasps said no, judge said bye, bye.  Typical in the State of California.  Go ahead and assume it was more than that... :razz:
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2003, 04:14:00 AM »
Obviously they knew the law in Calfornia required a license. Obviously they thought they could sneak by unnoticed as their strategy has been in every other location they have set up shop in.

And when you close a program it is a tremendous financial loss. They did not just say oh we need a license and need to follow rules lets close. No the real fact is that the State of California has heard of WWASP and its savagery and they said get a license or be in contempt of court and we will lock you up. Force is the only thing that WWASP understands so minus the threat of imprisonment and multi million dollar fines they will not just back down when noticed by the law.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2003, 09:11:00 AM »
Anon,

It may have been the asbestos.


The stuff the kids were working in,with.

I wonder why WWASP chooses to play out side of the rules?  How do you justify that?  They have our children's lives in their care.

Iwonder Iwonder Iwonder. WHY?
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2003, 09:14:00 AM »
Anon,

How naive you are.In the cataloge?

The hobbit isnt mentioned in the cataloge either.Or the OP s,or the sexual predators .

Hello!  Do you still think we are dealing with a reputable,honest,accountable organization here.
In the cataloge.  WAKE UP!
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2003, 09:26:00 AM »
I've tried Google News and I can't find any confirmation of the closure.  Would anyone with first-hand knowledge please post a link to any news story about it?
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2003, 11:31:00 AM »
What's the hobbit? I've seen it mentioned a few times, but missed the beginning of that conversation.

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2003, 12:46:00 PM »
Yay!  ::cheers::
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2003, 02:02:00 PM »
As I've learned in my research, BM facilities are attempting to self regulate. They are creating Industry Associations like NATSAP to give the illusion that there is adequate regulation. http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... ews01.html
This meeting was the result of an earlier exploratory meeting held in Atlanta, Georgia, November 8, 1998 the day after the Independent Educational Consultants Association (IECA) conference in the same city. The Atlanta exploratory meeting had been called by John Reddan, who had written a paper outlining the size and scope of a possible association and asked for and received $5500 from Len Buccellato and Hidden Lake Academy in Dahlonega, Georgia to travel to ten programs in nine states and to host the meeting at the Atlanta Hilton.
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Members pledge to follow rules that were created by other members-owners/manager of programs. How ridiculous?
And they present this organization to potential clients as an independent entity to give the impressions that they are regulated.
Look at their BODs:
BOARD MEMBERS:
Michael Allgood, Cascade School, California, 3-year term
Tim Brace, Aspen Youth Services, California, 3-year term
Len Buccellato, Hidden Lake Academy, Georgia, 3-year term
Bobbi Christensen, Crater Lake School, Oregon, 3-year term
Kimbal DeLaMare, Island View, Utah, 2-year term
Gary Emmons, Brush Ranch School, New Mexico, 2-year term
John Mercer, Mission Mountain School, 2-year term
Jan Moss, Spring Ridge Academy, Arizona, 3- year term
John Santa, Montana Academy, Montana, 3-year term
Rosemary Tippett, Three Springs, Alabama, 3-year term.
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The facilties that are members of NATSAP appear to want to distinquish themselves from the lowly types like WWASP. But they are no different, just more covert with their abuse. Policies are very similar.
Other links to NATSAP:
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... ews03.html
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een02.html
?NATSAP is a 501(C)(6) trade association of one hundred and ten (110) boarding schools, residential treatment centers, wilderness programs, and group homes in twenty-eight states.?

Their real purpose is to advocate for public policy that enhances their operations. They fought against regulations for "escort services" in Ca.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een03.html
A section at the end of the bill would ensure that the only way an out-of-control youngster could be transported to a program to get the kind of help that is needed, is with that youngster?s permission.
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A Concern is that many states have the right to issue waiviers for "experimental programs" if they can be hoodwinked into believing that the program is a "cutting-edge" program and no complaints have been lodged. That's why it is so vital for parents to file complaints. Even then, it is difficult for state regulators to get into the facility because they are "private corporations" until proven otherwise.

Another issue is the movement within the Industry to be viewed as boarding schools with "Emotional Growth Curriculum". They all want to appear to be boarding schools with boundaries rather than Residential Treatment Facilities. A search at Struggling Teens or Google for "Emotional Growth Cirriculum" will return plenty to review.

The facility I had dealings with regsitered with the state as a private boarding school yet advertised to the public as a therapeutic BS. And lied to the regulators about doing so, "they started as a private school and became a TBS."

They do not want to be classified as BM facilities which require a license, but want to operate and advertise as such. They can't have their cake and eat it too. Or maybe they can?
They are constantly creating new names for their facilities, Academy, School, Character BS...
to skirt state regs and pleading ignorance when caught.

As was said:
So what?s in a name? A lot! The name of this Association will influence it?s future because in our society, words represent ideas, and ideas have consequences. What the Board decides is the proper name will strongly influence whether this association is seen as a sub-set of the mental health establishment, or seen as a force looking for better ways to help struggling teens.

The Dir of Counseling at the facility I had dealings with told me their Wilderness Program was not required to be licensed. Had I been the average parents I would have accepted that answer. Knowing better, I filed a complaint- they were required to apply, as was their TBS which had operated unregulated for 7 years.

Funny, I sent a complaint to NATSAP about the facility. Little did I know the program owner facilitated the creation of NATSAP. Any surprise that I never got a response?

The ICPC- Federal law that governs the placement of children in out-of-state facilities clearly defines the difference between a traditional boarding school and a residential treatment facilty.
http://icpc.aphsa.org/

1. In determining whether the sending or bringing of a child to another state is exempt from the provisions of the Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children by reason of the exemption for various classes of institutions in Article II (d), the following concepts and terms shall have the following meanings:

(a) "Primarily educational institution" means an institution which operates one or more programs that can be offered in satisfaction of compulsory school attendance laws, in which the primary purpose of accepting children is to meet their educational needs; and which does not do one or more of the following:

    (1) accept responsibility for children during the entire year;

    (2) provide or hold itself out as providing child care constituting nurture sufficient to substitute for parental supervision and control or foster care;

    (3) provide any other services to children, except for those customarily regarded as extracurricular or cocurricular school activities, pupil support services, and those services necessary to make it possible for the children to be maintained on a residential basis in the aforementioned school program or programs.

(b) Placement for treatment of a chronic condition includes the treatment and care of minors who may be mentally ill, emotionally ill, or developmentally disabled and require treatment beyond what was required for stabilization of the underlying acute condition. Treatment modalities for chronic conditions may include psychotherapy and psychopharmacology.

    (c) Any placement of a minor for treatment of that minor's chronic mental or behavioral condition into a facility having treatment programs for acute and chronic conditions must be made pursuant to the Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children. The Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children becomes applicable once the minor is placed for treatment of a chronic condition regardless of whether that child was originally placed in the same facility for treatment of an acute condition.

None of these facilties are traditional boarding schools because they limit participants contact with the outside world and participation in therapy is required- and that is what must be monitored and regulated by the state.
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