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Re: Russia furious over adopted boy sent back from US
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2010, 06:49:51 PM »
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"We have taken the decision ... to suggest a freeze on any adoptions to American families until Russia and the USA sign an international agreement" on the conditions for adoptions, Lavrov said.
Well, now. That oughta put a damper on projected enrollments at CALO, eh?    :D
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Re: Russia furious over adopted boy sent back from US
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2010, 01:53:07 AM »
Are any of the children held at CALO Russian citizens?

If whatever Russia has for its State Department wants to score political points with this, I believe we can help them with that.

Might spur Barack to put a stop to it, simply because it makes us look bad to the rest of the world.

Let's start an international incident.
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Re: Russia furious over adopted boy sent back from US
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2010, 06:04:52 PM »
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"We have taken the decision ... to suggest a freeze on any adoptions to American families until Russia and the USA sign an international agreement" on the conditions for adoptions, Lavrov said.
Well, now. That oughta put a damper on projected enrollments at CALO, eh?    :D

I was thinking the same thing Ursus.

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No you weren't....stop lying. LOL
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Re: Russia furious over adopted boy sent back from US
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2010, 10:13:46 PM »
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"We have taken the decision ... to suggest a freeze on any adoptions to American families until Russia and the USA sign an international agreement" on the conditions for adoptions, Lavrov said.
Well, now. That oughta put a damper on projected enrollments at CALO, eh?    :D
I was thinking the same thing Ursus.
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No you weren't....stop lying. LOL
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Oh... I imagine that Joel may have been thinking of this little run of about four posts, starting HERE.
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It's The Orphanages, Stupid!
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2010, 06:03:29 PM »
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It's The Orphanages, Stupid!
Maia Szalavitz, 04.20.10, 05:00 PM EDT

The media missed the key scientific issue behind the unwanted Russian orphan.

The story of Artyom Savelyev, the then-7-year-old Russian orphan who was sent alone on a plane back to his homeland by his adoptive mother, has received widespread media attention, especially since it prompted Russia to suspend international adoptions. But among all the angles covered in the mainstream media--the legal difficulties, the challenges faced by adoptive families, the overcrowding and understaffing of Russian orphanages--no one seemed to spot the abundant scientific research on how these institutions damage a child's cognitive development.

Research on the dangers of institutional care for young children dates back to the 1940s. For as long as they have existed, orphanages have always had alarmingly high death rates. From the early 20th century onwards, this was blamed on contagious disease--and so, attempts were made to keep orphanages sterile, to isolate children from each other by doing things like hanging sterilized sheets between their cribs.

But Austrian psychoanalyst and physician Rene Spitz proposed an alternate theory. He thought that infants in institutions suffered from lack of love--that they were missing important parental relationships, which in turn was hurting or even killing them.

To test his theory, he compared a group of infants raised in isolated hospital cribs with those raised in a prison by their own incarcerated mothers. If the germs from being locked up with lots of people were the problem, both groups of infants should have done equally poorly. In fact, the hospitalized kids should have done better, given the attempts made at imposing sterile conditions. If love mattered, however, the prisoners' kids should prevail.

Love won: 37% of the infants kept in the bleak hospital ward died, but there were no deaths at all amongst the infants raised in the prison. The incarcerated babies grew more quickly, were larger and did better in every way Spitz could measure. The orphans who managed to survive the hospital, in contrast, were more likely to contract all types of illnesses. They were scrawny and showed obvious psychological, cognitive and behavioral problems.

Spitz's study suggested severe mortality risk--more than one in three died--for institutionalized infants. It showed that serious mental health and behavioral problems could result from not having at least one loving parent devoted to a particular child. For decades, however, this research was either ignored or dismissed by behaviorists and others who couldn't believe that something as vague and seemingly immeasurable as parental love could matter that much.

Even when animal research showed that rearing monkeys in isolation produced antisocial and otherwise profoundly disturbed behavior, critics and orphanage supporters remained unconvinced. They claimed that the reason that orphanage-reared infants did poorly was related to poor genes passed on from the kinds of parents who would abandon their kids--impulsive teenage mothers or criminal fathers. Alternatively, they argued that babies who stayed the longest in orphanages only appeared to do worse than others because adoptive parents chose the healthiest babies and left the sick ones behind.

All of these arguments were conclusively refuted in 2007. That's when a randomized controlled trial of orphanage care versus foster care in Romania was published in the prestigious journal Science. Only healthy babies were studied--children with detectable genetic defects like Down syndrome or conditions like fetal alcohol syndrome were deliberately excluded, so that no one could claim the orphanage kids were sicker from the start.

Before the study was done, the Romanian government had insisted that its orphanages didn't cause harm and there was no need for foster care. Given that children were going to be placed in these orphanages anyway until the case for foster care could be made, the researchers overcame ethical concerns about randomizing children to a condition that they suspected was potentially fatal. This would be the best way to make the argument once and for all, they reasoned. All it would do was use a situation that was occurring anyway to protect future kids. The study did not prevent any child from being adopted, so it was able to pass ethical muster.

And the results were stunning. Just as in Spitz' research, children who received parental love did much better than those raised in the best Romanian orphanages. The foster kids grew faster, had larger head sizes (a measure of brain development) and even IQs that were higher by nine points. These kids were happier and paid attention better than the kids who stayed behind at the orphanages.

Moreover, 52% of those who ever spent time in an orphanage developed some form of mental illness--compared to 22% of those without that experience. Children taken from orphanages and randomized to foster care had half the rate of conditions like anxiety and depression compared to those who remained institutionalized.

Because the children placed in foster care had already spent an average of 21 months in an orphanage before foster care became available, these results probably dramatically underestimate the damage done to babies by orphanages. In fact, the research found that children did measurably worse for each additional month spent in an orphanage.

"The primary problem with raising an infant in an orphanage setting is that the opportunity to create enduring and loving relationships with a small number of adults is rare," says Bruce Perry, M.D., Ph.D., a leading child psychiatrist and senior fellow at the Child Trauma Academy (disclosure: he and I have co-written two books). Babies aren't equipped to learn to connect to people by being exposed to dozens of them for short periods of time because our brains just don't work that way. As Perry explains:

"Typically the care of the infant is spread among multiple staff over multiple shifts, many of whom are just doing a job. The necessary sensory cues such as smile, touch, song and rocking required to stimulate normal growth and functioning of the infant's stress response and relational neural networks is just not provided in the patterns or quantities required for normal development." Essentially, it's impossible for an institution to be a parent. To thrive, a human baby needs to be the center of attention and affection of at least one person.

If the media were to make this clear, it could improve the lives of thousands of babies around the world who are right now being damaged by the ignorance that says that orphanages are a safe place for them.

Maia Szalavitz is a senior fellow at STATS.org and co-author of Born for Love: Why Empathy Is Essential--and Endangered, which is being published by Harper Collins this month.


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Re: Russia furious over adopted boy sent back from US
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2010, 06:58:38 PM »
It's a good article.  What those kids go through in Romanian orphanages (and elsewhere in the former soviet bloc) is worse than most people can imagine.
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Re: Russia furious over adopted boy sent back from US
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2010, 07:23:37 PM »
I have been in several baby houses (desky Doms as I called them) in a few former soviet Bloc countries and the article is right on the money.  I would add that what I observed personally is that there is only one person with 30 children in a room ages 0- thru 3 to care for them thru the night.  These same kids have 2 care takers who take care of them during the day.  They don’t have any diapers in orphanages rather they have reusable wax clothes that they wrap the child in and then just hose them off in the morning in a large sink.  They are then fed and strapped to buckets inside their cribs until they have a bowl movement. Then they are hosed off again. Then they are dressed and given 45 minutes of floor time.   The wax wraps are put back on…. The rest of the 24 hours are spent in a crib with no holding or eye contact with the caregivers.  They are only removed or picked up to be feed.  There are a few favorites which get extra attention.

There was a local guy who would come in every day and go from room to room playing an accordion for about a half hour.  He had a stool with one leg in the middle that he sat on.  So it worked out that each child heard some music once a week.  The orphanages are also used as a long term care for kids whose families have lost a husband or mother or gone to prison and they need a year or two to get their lives back together.

Many of these people don’t believe in adoption and in fact many orphanages directors feel it is the childs fate and will close it to all adoptions.  The males usually end up in the military and the females go to prostitution at age 16 to survive with very little education.  The views on institutionalization of children are changing very slowly if at all in these countries.



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Re: Russia furious over adopted boy sent back from US
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2010, 02:58:44 AM »
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I have been in several baby houses (desky Doms as I called them) in a few former soviet Bloc countries and the article is right on the money.

An article by Maia is on the money when the rest of the media completely missed the point?  Am I hearing you correctly Whooter?  Tell me how you can believe that kids are never harmed in programs when you know for sure just how greedy and malicious people can be over there?  Is it racism and you simply believe they are fundamentally worse than us or are you willing to concede that people are basically flawed all over the world and when given power over others have just the same tendency to become drunk with it?  Rotenberg rings a bell, or howabout the Whitmore academy.  It can't happen here, right?  Granted i'll give you programs are not nearly as bad as Romanian orphanages but I believe that if there wasn't a market based motivation to keep those kids alive (state funded, for example) those kids would disappear just as often (something like that was discovered in Florida recently if I remember correctly).  People are messed up the world over.  Some people lack consciences the world over.  Over there they bilk the government for every cent (giving the kids close to nothing) and over here they do the same to the parents.  Kathy Moya wrote a good artlcle on that:

http://troubled-teen-industry.com/news/ ... e-con-game
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Re: Russia furious over adopted boy sent back from US
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2010, 11:39:07 AM »
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An article by Maia is on the money when the rest of the media completely missed the point? Am I hearing you correctly Whooter?

I wouldn’t expect the rest of the media or country to understand what was going on behind the headlines with this Russian boy.  Exposing the conditions of these orphanages is only half the story.  What was also not reported is that Artyom Savelyev was not just shipped over here from Russia to be a son to this mother.  She made 2-3 trips to Russia and spent time at the orphanage, spent several weeks bonding with this boy and then went to court where they read his medical history and all the problems he encountered.  She was well aware of the risks of problems a child can have being brought up in an institution.

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Tell me how you can believe that kids are never harmed in programs when you know for sure just how greedy and malicious people can be over there? Is it racism and you simply believe they are fundamentally worse than us or are you willing to concede that people are basically flawed all over the world and when given power over others have just the same tendency to become drunk with it? Rotenberg rings a bell, or howabout the Whitmore academy. It can't happen here, right? Granted i'll give you programs are not nearly as bad as Romanian orphanages but I believe that if there wasn't a market based motivation to keep those kids alive (state funded, for example) those kids would disappear just as often (something like that was discovered in Florida recently if I remember correctly). People are messed up the world over. Some people lack consciences the world over. Over there they bilk the government for every cent (giving the kids close to nothing) and over here they do the same to the parents.

The caretakers working in the orphanages for the most part are very caring and paid a minimum wage.  The turnover is high but they are all woman which reduces the incidences of abuse.  I believe people are the same all over the world and if given enough power and if gone unchecked they will abuse the power they are given.  It’s the foundation of our constitution here in the US and that is why we vote in a new leader every 4 years and local reps every 2 to four years.  But abuse still occurs on every level.  It is not unique to programs as many here would like the readers to believe.


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Kathy Moya wrote a good artlcle on that:

The article was interesting but the con analogy could easily apply to any industry… banks move around and change names often too.  Moya never referenced anything except her own opinion nor did she address the many independent studies which support an 80% success rate.  The studies were also overseen by even another independent agency to insure no conflict of interest occurred.  But you know this and the acceptance of any study here on fornits will never happen because the foundation for your conclusions on the industry would fall apart.

Think about if we were talking about public schools instead of programs.  I could easily take the same position as you and say the studies are invalid because one of the people on the study committee use to be a teacher or the students who were interviewed were still euphoric from graduation and therefore didn’t represent how most kids feel.  I could also toss up continuous articles of teachers raping students, columbine photos and the 1,500 homicides and suicides that occur each year to justify my thinking.

Psy, most people here search for articles and information to support their thinking instead of reading all information with an open mind and readjusting their thinking continuously based on any new information which may emerge.



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Re: Russia furious over adopted boy sent back from US
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2010, 11:53:30 AM »
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Moya never referenced anything except her own opinion nor did she address the many independent studies which support an 80% success rate.  The studies were also overseen by even another independent agency to insure no conflict of interest occurred.  But you know this and the acceptance of any study here on fornits will never happen because the foundation for your conclusions on the industry would fall apart.


What study would that be?  Was it the one you've posted here before that was done by programs and "overseen" by an organization that directly profits from programs?   Gee....they'd have no motivation to slant the results now, would they?
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Moya never referenced anything except her own opinion nor did she address the many independent studies which support an 80% success rate.  The studies were also overseen by even another independent agency to insure no conflict of interest occurred.  But you know this and the acceptance of any study here on fornits will never happen because the foundation for your conclusions on the industry would fall apart.


What study would that be?  Was it the one you've posted here before that was done by programs and "overseen" by an organization that directly profits from programs?   Gee....they'd have no motivation to slant the results now, would they?

I had asked the same question myself so I looked at the organization that did the oversight.
As you can see they are not specifically program oriented, the review board is WIRB.  WIRB provides review services for more than 400 organizations (academic centers, hospitals, networks and in-house biotech research), as well as for individual investigators in all 50 states and internationally. WIRB has worked with all major pharmaceutical and device manufacturers, CROs, and the biotech industry. ....

http://http://www.wirb.com/

What they do is investigate and oversee the studies.  Among the various things they do is they insure there is no conflict of interest between the company providing the study and the one funding the study.
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Re: Russia furious over adopted boy sent back from US
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2010, 08:39:39 PM »
Tebetan(intentionally misspelled) Orphanages have their own special blend of insidious  nature. With the One child only law the orphanage I volunteered with was filled with kids who had been dumped off as an illegal 2nd child. They are unregistered, meaning they'll never spend a day in school or be eligible for any government services what so ever. Worst, they are seen as a commodity by the population around them... free labor... free sex.. you name it.

It was literally one of the most depressing things I've ever seen, but despite that I'm glad I spent some time with them.
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2010, 09:18:25 PM »
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Tebetan(intentionally misspelled) Orphanages have their own special blend of insidious  nature. With the One child only law the orphanage I volunteered with was filled with kids who had been dumped off as an illegal 2nd child. They are unregistered, meaning they'll never spend a day in school or be eligible for any government services what so ever. Worst, they are seen as a commodity by the population around them... free labor... free sex.. you name it.

It was literally one of the most depressing things I've ever seen, but despite that I'm glad I spent some time with them.


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