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I sure have a knack for running into bullshit artists...
« on: January 15, 2007, 04:09:35 PM »
Anyways, since I'm not there anymore I don't mind saying I went to Charlottesville, VA for a few weeks. I stayed in a motel for a couple of nights and the first morning a guy approached me, average worn-out laborer looking type, he said "where are you from in Vermont?" because of my plates. I said "Burlington", where he was from too. He told me quite an amazing story, he skipped Vermont right before his court date to get sentenced for fifteen years. Fifteen years? You know how I feel about prison, so I said "what did you do?" He told me he beat up a cop. I was like "cops are rude", commiserating with him, sure, why not skip out on a fifteen year prison sentence that is too harsh. But he was like "I really fucked him up," his story was he was walking home drunk and a cop started giving him shit and pulled his stick out and the guy said he knew martial arts and broke the cop's jaw and lower back. Some other things the guy did gave me a clue. First of all, he had the hem and haw story about "the connection" and supposedly different kinds of weed for various prices and he gave me a small amount (I got sick, whether it was from that weed or not I don't know but don't hand me laced weed if I suspect anything from now on I WILL have it tested) and wanted to know if I had smoked any yet when he came back an hour later, some deal about how I couldn't knock on his door, which he wasn't even staying there at that motel, just "happened" to be visiting friends, because it would "cause a lot of trouble" so he knocked on my door that evening, wanted to know if I wanted to smoke, no thanks I feel ill, he no surprise had not made the connection but I guess he was going to smoke me out. One queer thing he did was he mimicked something I said, just a short sentence. He didn't really mimic it obvious, he just repeated it. I thought it was wierd. Also he said he was 33 I was going to guess 43. You know how tired out people get roughish reddish looking skin around their eyes? So I was thinking about things. I do have very mixed feelings about cops and courts and prisons because I think it is inhumane, I think our culture generates the crime. Yes, please lock up child abusers, pedophiles, rapists, violent people, kidnappers and murderers. I think any human is justified in killing a child molester right as they walk out of prison, too, because they are too dangerous. Criminals like Enron, what I really think is they should be barred from ever making money or owning anything for the rest of their life. They should be forced into a life of begging to survive. But back to the question at hand. I was thinking for a day about the cop he supposedly fucked up, and I would be pissed if I were that cop and the guy split. Plus, I have met violent drunks and if they can't control their violence and they can't not drink, they should be locked up where they can't hurt anybody. The man is a walking time bomb, plain and simple, and since I figured it wasn't any of my business whether or not he got nabbed because of a phone call I made, and since he was wierd to me and I wanted to know if his story was even true, I called the Burlington P.D. I only had his first name but the dispatcher said she worked there for 21 years and she would have remembered if a cop got hurt like that. So the story was fake, or he did it somewhere else. I like knowing. He and his "friends" there might have been part of the gang stalking thing, they did leave their motel door open I walked past it and there was stuff in the room, no car, and the door left wide open. I thought it was pathetic.

I had another wierd encounter in C-ville. Any single thing I write about may or may not be related to the gang stalking, but I don't mind writing it out. Walking towards the granola grocery entrance I passed a dirty homeless man. I had to go back and offer to buy him breakfast, which turned into a back and forth, he wasn't hungry but he needed shoes. I said I would buy him boots but I didn't know the town very well so I got a phone book to look up shoe stores but he was fixated on WalMart. I told him I wasn't buying him plastic shoes. I was trying to figure out what kind of boots and where, he did suggest Goodwill, I was thinking am I really going to let this man in my car with all my dogs. Anyways, again he wanted to go to WalMart to get the boots, so finally I had to say "I hate WalMart, I'm not taking you to WalMart," and he got mildly incensed but I couldn't tell if he really meant it and he said "save the receipt!" Which was a ringer for this ugly dude I felt sorry for in Burlington, a really bad-looking, boring man from New Orleans who didn't have a mom to take care of him when he had a hernia operation last Spring so I drove him to the doctor a couple of times so he could get more heroin. Spence Schwarz had told me one funny story last spring, before I knew he was scamming me along with Malibu, Brian Zareva, Troy, Erin Hannigan, Fat Pete Satches, J.P. (et tu, Brute?) and so on. I'll get to that later, and I won't forget Crystal Bennett, either. Or Bill Warnock. Anyways, Spence Schwarz told me one funny story about driving from Maine to New Orleans after he quit growing marijuana in Machias and boating it up to Canada, he got an air mattress and a bunch of stuff for his truck at a WalMart up north and used it all the way down and returned it all in N.O. I do think it is funny to scam WalMart, I really do, it's the least a person can do to fight back. And fuck you if you shop there, just fuck you.

To finish the homeless shoe man story, he had a wierd look in his eyes, now I think I know what it is, because I started getting that look in my eyes in Burlington because I was being watched, harassed and spooked so much. I got tension around my eyes so even if I looked down the upper lids didn't lower and you could see the whites above the iris. I didn't realize it until I got a new driver's license picture taken. So, saying this guy was part of the gang stalking, and there are other clues to let me know it is not unlikely, I do wonder who got him to do it and how, because the man was freaked. And he had two translucent Ann Taylor bags with his possessions and he stepped into a crosswalk at a different shopping center right before my car, same man with Ann Taylor bags, and he remembered me, he smirked but hardly could look at me.

I really don't mind writing about all this. I KNOW I got scammed, and I don't care if I am right about all of it, it caused me an immense amount of pain and the least I can do since not one person was ever willing to tell me even some piece of the truth, not one person, ever, at all, in that whole town, NOT ONE PERSON, and I KNOW people knew, I really don't mind laying the whole thing out and getting photos of the people involved (not that hard to do) and putting the story together in whatever way I can best figure it out. I don't mind at all. If they think it is over just because I left town they are wrong. And I figure the least I can do is lay out what gang stalking is in case it helps out anyone else in the future.

It is torture, I had pieces of phone conversations, pieces of private conversations, pieces of my private life getting dropped around and referred to, I had people mixing up their pronouns (Brian Zareva, I am not confused about you anymore, you deserve to go to prison and no wonder you were paranoid of me), referring to things in the third person or whatever so even if I was bugged I guess that was their reason even if I was bugged I still couldn't prove anything. The way it is torture is it starts to seem like everyone must know something. Innocent comments get routed through paranoia, are they talking in the third person, using a different way of referring to me? Or is this a perfectly innocent conversation?

And one thing I should lay out here is that many many targets of gang stalking commit suicide, this is known, many targets of any kind of stalking commit suicide, there are known psychological effects that it has, and so anyone participating in it, whether or not they ever get caught and prosecuted, is in very real danger of being an ACCESSORY TO MURDER, and that is a felony crime, and very very serious. And anyone who just watches it go down and leaves someone alone to deal in what is hell by themselves, well, you just suck, and you don't deserve me as a friend or a girlfriend. You know I'm talking to you. You couldn't figure out a way to talk to me? You left me alone in hell? I just spit on all men, they aren't worth it anymore (no I am not interested in being a lesbian, they annoy me and they usually are even more pussy and stupid and rude than men).

Oh my heart does feel so broken, it's the same as Straight, no one gets it, people say they wouldn't give in to Straight, they don't understand Straight, they don't understand what it is like to be a victim of gang stalking either. If anyone gets Shawn Hornbeck, it's US, STRAIGHT SURVIVORS!

And I really think a lot of people suck right now because there are people reading this (James Kochalka?) who know some shit. Gang stalking is EVERY part of the harassment, even the people, ESPECIALLY the people who thought they were helping me out by referring to shit in my presence like this or that to let me know J.P. and them really had pulled some shit on me, god you suck, fuck you for hinting around, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID. I never saw or heard the tapes of the conversations that so obviously got passed around, I have no idea, it was just hell there, a total nightmare, and if anyone wants to give me some kind of peace, I really still am in hell because I am alone, I don't know where to move where they won't find me and I just can't take it, so please contact Cassandra who can put you in touch with me because I have met her in person and she can tell me what you say or something and then I can decide if I think I will talk to you or not and she knows for sure if it is me you are talking to.

I know Straight survivors know how much pain it is at a certain point, whatever kind of nervous breakdown you have, and that scum Brian Zareva should really get something, whatever, I have to watch my words but I feel totally exploited by him and by whoever else was involved in that shit because I just wanted to go out on the town a little bit I never asked for the shit they pulled on me, it got immensely, inhumanly painful.

But on the other hand it shows me what people are really made of, I just watch and watch, like my aunt and uncle I was talking to them on the phone, I was homeless an hour away from where they live and they never invited me over, they were just like giving me suggestions of social service agencies and then they say "we love you!" and good bye. No, it really has been an eye-opener for me. I say thank you after I hang up the phone, thank you for the information of how much I actually mean to you, thank you for the information of your cold, cold ways. I LIKE seeing what people really are made of, it is INTERESTING to me, hugely disappointing, but information that I might otherwise not have gotten for years, thank you for teaching me all about America.

It is really too bad about the gang stalking because I ran into Bill the guitar player I met in Burlington, we hung out with J.P. too, and there he was busking on the downtown mall in C-ville which is so much like Burlington, and he walked me home and gave me an umbrella and said if he hears a branch snap in the woods where he is sleeping it just makes him be more alert. It just so happened that I was sitting on the back porch smoking a cigarette later and I heard a branch snap, now there are not any cats in the neighborhood making that happen, and also pebbles rolling off the car another night.

Brian Zareva, I am not through with you. You will see your name here and another place too because you and Troy and Erin Hannigan couldn't be bothered to tell me what your game was all about, changing your middle name from "Alexander" to "Thomas" and then Troy says you don't have one. It isn't any coincidence that I heard pieces of that conversation come back, Brian. And tell your girlfriend "Lassie", please tell her she is whacked but thank her for letting me know my pupils are constricted. I think someone was poisoning me, because weed does not do that.

That's all for now I guess it hurts and I never deserved any of it and I will not lay out the actually more severe incidents here because they are simply too serious, but they have been documented and sent to more than one lawyer, and every thing I remembered has been sent to lawyers, and just as I have laid out some things here, everything is getting laid out, I write down plates, makes and models, whether or not it is a coincidence that a white van with VA plates parked next to me where I am staying now, and I am not in VA anymore, I don't need to know, I don't even need to waste my time wondering, I write it down and mail it off. It's already done, I have very very sensitive radar, and although I might have been confused at the time you were fucking with my head, I heard every last word.
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I sure have a knack for running into bullshit artists...
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2007, 04:27:40 PM »
Yep, that's right.  Its a conspiracy!!!  They ARE bugging your phone.  They're bugging the computer you typed that post on.  They're probably behind you RIGHT NOW.  Quick!!!  Turn around and look.  See them?  Behind that guy with the hat on over there standing by the pole.  Watch out and good luck!!  Hope the lawyer helps.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 12:05:00 AM »
To the O.P.: Cell phone conversations can get picked up by nearby phones, the phone itself doesn't have to be bugged. That must have been confusing to you, if you were talking to someone you trusted on the phone and then what you said came back around to you.
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When it began........
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2007, 01:02:03 AM »
What do you call a Somolian walking a dog?
A vegetarian

What do you call a Somolian walking three dogs?
Mr. Mayor

What do you call a Somalian holding the leash for four dogs?
Beth's new connection!

Seriously now folks, I have to come clean.  I started this whole gang stalking shit when I was still in the second grade in Largo Florida in the spring of 1970.  Me and my friends thought it would be funny to fuck with the ice cream man.  We would hear him coming from up the street and we would run behind the houses and get ahead of him, use bushes and trees and stuff for cover and yell STOP!!!
He would hit the brakes and look all around for some kid waving a dollar, and we would be behind the bushes laughing our asses off.
Up the road the next wave of my buddies would be waiting to do the same thing.  The poor fucker had a nervous breakdown and moved to Vermont.  At least that's what I heard.
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Re: I sure have a knack for running into bullshit artists...
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2007, 01:02:18 AM »
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Anyways, since I'm not there anymore I don't mind saying I went to Charlottesville, VA for a few weeks. I stayed in a motel for a couple of nights and the first morning a guy approached me, average worn-out laborer looking type, he said "where are you from in Vermont?" because of my plates. I said "Burlington", where he was from too. He told me quite an amazing story, he skipped Vermont right before his court date to get sentenced for fifteen years. Fifteen years? You know how I feel about prison, so I said "what did you do?" He told me he beat up a cop. I was like "cops are rude", commiserating with him, sure, why not skip out on a fifteen year prison sentence that is too harsh. But he was like "I really fucked him up," his story was he was walking home drunk and a cop started giving him shit and pulled his stick out and the guy said he knew martial arts and broke the cop's jaw and lower back. Some other things the guy did gave me a clue. First of all, he had the hem and haw story about "the connection" and supposedly different kinds of weed for various prices and he gave me a small amount (I got sick, whether it was from that weed or not I don't know but don't hand me laced weed if I suspect anything from now on I WILL have it tested) and wanted to know if I had smoked any yet when he came back an hour later, some deal about how I couldn't knock on his door, which he wasn't even staying there at that motel, just "happened" to be visiting friends, because it would "cause a lot of trouble" so he knocked on my door that evening, wanted to know if I wanted to smoke, no thanks I feel ill, he no surprise had not made the connection but I guess he was going to smoke me out. One queer thing he did was he mimicked something I said, just a short sentence. He didn't really mimic it obvious, he just repeated it. I thought it was wierd. Also he said he was 33 I was going to guess 43. You know how tired out people get roughish reddish looking skin around their eyes? So I was thinking about things. I do have very mixed feelings about cops and courts and prisons because I think it is inhumane, I think our culture generates the crime. Yes, please lock up child abusers, pedophiles, rapists, violent people, kidnappers and murderers. I think any human is justified in killing a child molester right as they walk out of prison, too, because they are too dangerous. Criminals like Enron, what I really think is they should be barred from ever making money or owning anything for the rest of their life. They should be forced into a life of begging to survive. But back to the question at hand. I was thinking for a day about the cop he supposedly fucked up, and I would be pissed if I were that cop and the guy split. Plus, I have met violent drunks and if they can't control their violence and they can't not drink, they should be locked up where they can't hurt anybody. The man is a walking time bomb, plain and simple, and since I figured it wasn't any of my business whether or not he got nabbed because of a phone call I made, and since he was wierd to me and I wanted to know if his story was even true, I called the Burlington P.D. I only had his first name but the dispatcher said she worked there for 21 years and she would have remembered if a cop got hurt like that. So the story was fake, or he did it somewhere else. I like knowing. He and his "friends" there might have been part of the gang stalking thing, they did leave their motel door open I walked past it and there was stuff in the room, no car, and the door left wide open. I thought it was pathetic.

I had another wierd encounter in C-ville. Any single thing I write about may or may not be related to the gang stalking, but I don't mind writing it out. Walking towards the granola grocery entrance I passed a dirty homeless man. I had to go back and offer to buy him breakfast, which turned into a back and forth, he wasn't hungry but he needed shoes. I said I would buy him boots but I didn't know the town very well so I got a phone book to look up shoe stores but he was fixated on WalMart. I told him I wasn't buying him plastic shoes. I was trying to figure out what kind of boots and where, he did suggest Goodwill, I was thinking am I really going to let this man in my car with all my dogs. Anyways, again he wanted to go to WalMart to get the boots, so finally I had to say "I hate WalMart, I'm not taking you to WalMart," and he got mildly incensed but I couldn't tell if he really meant it and he said "save the receipt!" Which was a ringer for this ugly dude I felt sorry for in Burlington, a really bad-looking, boring man from New Orleans who didn't have a mom to take care of him when he had a hernia operation last Spring so I drove him to the doctor a couple of times so he could get more heroin. Spence Schwarz had told me one funny story last spring, before I knew he was scamming me along with Malibu, Brian Zareva, Troy, Erin Hannigan, Fat Pete Satches, J.P. (et tu, Brute?) and so on. I'll get to that later, and I won't forget Crystal Bennett, either. Or Bill Warnock. Anyways, Spence Schwarz told me one funny story about driving from Maine to New Orleans after he quit growing marijuana in Machias and boating it up to Canada, he got an air mattress and a bunch of stuff for his truck at a WalMart up north and used it all the way down and returned it all in N.O. I do think it is funny to scam WalMart, I really do, it's the least a person can do to fight back. And fuck you if you shop there, just fuck you.

To finish the homeless shoe man story, he had a wierd look in his eyes, now I think I know what it is, because I started getting that look in my eyes in Burlington because I was being watched, harassed and spooked so much. I got tension around my eyes so even if I looked down the upper lids didn't lower and you could see the whites above the iris. I didn't realize it until I got a new driver's license picture taken. So, saying this guy was part of the gang stalking, and there are other clues to let me know it is not unlikely, I do wonder who got him to do it and how, because the man was freaked. And he had two translucent Ann Taylor bags with his possessions and he stepped into a crosswalk at a different shopping center right before my car, same man with Ann Taylor bags, and he remembered me, he smirked but hardly could look at me.

I really don't mind writing about all this. I KNOW I got scammed, and I don't care if I am right about all of it, it caused me an immense amount of pain and the least I can do since not one person was ever willing to tell me even some piece of the truth, not one person, ever, at all, in that whole town, NOT ONE PERSON, and I KNOW people knew, I really don't mind laying the whole thing out and getting photos of the people involved (not that hard to do) and putting the story together in whatever way I can best figure it out. I don't mind at all. If they think it is over just because I left town they are wrong. And I figure the least I can do is lay out what gang stalking is in case it helps out anyone else in the future.

It is torture, I had pieces of phone conversations, pieces of private conversations, pieces of my private life getting dropped around and referred to, I had people mixing up their pronouns (Brian Zareva, I am not confused about you anymore, you deserve to go to prison and no wonder you were paranoid of me), referring to things in the third person or whatever so even if I was bugged I guess that was their reason even if I was bugged I still couldn't prove anything. The way it is torture is it starts to seem like everyone must know something. Innocent comments get routed through paranoia, are they talking in the third person, using a different way of referring to me? Or is this a perfectly innocent conversation?

And one thing I should lay out here is that many many targets of gang stalking commit suicide, this is known, many targets of any kind of stalking commit suicide, there are known psychological effects that it has, and so anyone participating in it, whether or not they ever get caught and prosecuted, is in very real danger of being an ACCESSORY TO MURDER, and that is a felony crime, and very very serious. And anyone who just watches it go down and leaves someone alone to deal in what is hell by themselves, well, you just suck, and you don't deserve me as a friend or a girlfriend. You know I'm talking to you. You couldn't figure out a way to talk to me? You left me alone in hell? I just spit on all men, they aren't worth it anymore (no I am not interested in being a lesbian, they annoy me and they usually are even more pussy and stupid and rude than men).

Oh my heart does feel so broken, it's the same as Straight, no one gets it, people say they wouldn't give in to Straight, they don't understand Straight, they don't understand what it is like to be a victim of gang stalking either. If anyone gets Shawn Hornbeck, it's US, STRAIGHT SURVIVORS!

And I really think a lot of people suck right now because there are people reading this (James Kochalka?) who know some shit. Gang stalking is EVERY part of the harassment, even the people, ESPECIALLY the people who thought they were helping me out by referring to shit in my presence like this or that to let me know J.P. and them really had pulled some shit on me, god you suck, fuck you for hinting around, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID. I never saw or heard the tapes of the conversations that so obviously got passed around, I have no idea, it was just hell there, a total nightmare, and if anyone wants to give me some kind of peace, I really still am in hell because I am alone, I don't know where to move where they won't find me and I just can't take it, so please contact Cassandra who can put you in touch with me because I have met her in person and she can tell me what you say or something and then I can decide if I think I will talk to you or not and she knows for sure if it is me you are talking to.

I know Straight survivors know how much pain it is at a certain point, whatever kind of nervous breakdown you have, and that scum Brian Zareva should really get something, whatever, I have to watch my words but I feel totally exploited by him and by whoever else was involved in that shit because I just wanted to go out on the town a little bit I never asked for the shit they pulled on me, it got immensely, inhumanly painful.

But on the other hand it shows me what people are really made of, I just watch and watch, like my aunt and uncle I was talking to them on the phone, I was homeless an hour away from where they live and they never invited me over, they were just like giving me suggestions of social service agencies and then they say "we love you!" and good bye. No, it really has been an eye-opener for me. I say thank you after I hang up the phone, thank you for the information of how much I actually mean to you, thank you for the information of your cold, cold ways. I LIKE seeing what people really are made of, it is INTERESTING to me, hugely disappointing, but information that I might otherwise not have gotten for years, thank you for teaching me all about America.

It is really too bad about the gang stalking because I ran into Bill the guitar player I met in Burlington, we hung out with J.P. too, and there he was busking on the downtown mall in C-ville which is so much like Burlington, and he walked me home and gave me an umbrella and said if he hears a branch snap in the woods where he is sleeping it just makes him be more alert. It just so happened that I was sitting on the back porch smoking a cigarette later and I heard a branch snap, now there are not any cats in the neighborhood making that happen, and also pebbles rolling off the car another night.

Brian Zareva, I am not through with you. You will see your name here and another place too because you and Troy and Erin Hannigan couldn't be bothered to tell me what your game was all about, changing your middle name from "Alexander" to "Thomas" and then Troy says you don't have one. It isn't any coincidence that I heard pieces of that conversation come back, Brian. And tell your girlfriend "Lassie", please tell her she is whacked but thank her for letting me know my pupils are constricted. I think someone was poisoning me, because weed does not do that.

That's all for now I guess it hurts and I never deserved any of it and I will not lay out the actually more severe incidents here because they are simply too serious, but they have been documented and sent to more than one lawyer, and every thing I remembered has been sent to lawyers, and just as I have laid out some things here, everything is getting laid out, I write down plates, makes and models, whether or not it is a coincidence that a white van with VA plates parked next to me where I am staying now, and I am not in VA anymore, I don't need to know, I don't even need to waste my time wondering, I write it down and mail it off. It's already done, I have very very sensitive radar, and although I might have been confused at the time you were fucking with my head, I heard every last word.


At first I thought this was some kind of joke, someone just ranting and writing a crazy post, but whoever you are, I feel very sorry for the position you find yourself in. I think you may have more of a problem than just someone stalking you though. I hope you get some help, I really do.
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Re: When it began........
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2007, 01:05:38 AM »
Quote from: ""85 Day Jerk""
What do you call a Somolian walking a dog?
A vegetarian

What do you call a Somolian walking three dogs?
Mr. Mayor

What do you call a Somalian holding the leash for four dogs?
Beth's new connection!

Seriously now folks, I have to come clean.  I started this whole gang stalking shit when I was still in the second grade in Largo Florida in the spring of 1970.  Me and my friends thought it would be funny to fuck with the ice cream man.  We would hear him coming from up the street and we would run behind the houses and get ahead of him, use bushes and trees and stuff for cover and yell STOP!!!
He would hit the brakes and look all around for some kid waving a dollar, and we would be behind the bushes laughing our asses off.
Up the road the next wave of my buddies would be waiting to do the same thing.  The poor fucker had a nervous breakdown and moved to Vermont.  At least that's what I heard.



 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2007, 01:34:50 AM »
:roll: Relax Beth.  Nobody really gives a shit where you are or what you're doing.  Ya just ain't that interesting.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 08:24:57 AM »
It's hard to communicate with somebody when he thinks you're a diabolical mind-control agent and you're convinced that he's a little bit paranoid. --R.A. Wilson
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I sure have a knack for running into bullshit artists...
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 01:37:09 PM »
Beth, I don't have your current number. Good to hear from you, though. At least I know you're still breathing and eating.

Honest to God, though, I think you're spotting random coincidence and trying to make connections that aren't there. Ppl pick up on your agitated state, it makes them nervous and some of them fuck with you. It's just a sad fact of human nature, people are bastards sometimes.

Just have fun with it. If you think somebody's following you around, stop at a donut shop, klatch for way too long, tell some interesting and untrue stories and see if they come back to you. Next time, do the same but, on your way out, tell the cashier you were supposed to meet a friend there that day and buy him/her a cup of coffee in case they show up later asking about you.

Either that or just fucking ignore it and have fun watching the show.
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2007, 03:14:22 PM »
beth - take some meds.  You are delusional.  Believe me, no one stalks you.  No one would waste their time trying to stalk you.  no one fucking cares enough to do that.  BTW - been to Gainesville lately?  LOL
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I don't really care about all these comments. People think they know but they don't know. There were factually people harassing me outside my house and unless my dogs are all delusional too that is a fact. I have done my best to be peaceful amid a lot of fuckheads, and that might be my biggest problem. I think we could discuss that a little bit, I think when people are used to making allowances for abusive people they can endure way too much without handling it properly. I was watching X-Files last night. Scully is stuck in a town in the middle of nowhere and the guy put water in her gas tank and she confronted him right off. She knew something was up and didn't let anyone hoodwink her. I tended to let people lie and play games because I figured they had a reason, and also because I was shocked and couldn't confront it directly at the time. It got too confusing. I know I have let my mom abuse me for years, and we fight and make up, fight and make up, and there just isn't anymore forbearance for that, there can't be because it's sick. She doesn't get it, she never will, she kicks me harder and harder the further down I get. So, many lessons learned. Now before you give advice to someone who was stalked, maybe you should know what you are talking about. It has been helpful just to read a list of symptoms that show up, like hypervigilance. That totally happened to me, and unless it has happened to you, you just really don't know what it is like. Maybe the right "therapist" or whatever could have helped me approach the situation better but I was getting slammed left and right and didn't have much other than for getting through, and the two psych professionals I did see over the past few years, once each, were disgustingly manipulative, a real turn off. I have a right to feel the way I do, I have a right to be really disappointed in people. I'm godammed tired and if anyone has a good home to give a dog, let me know.

Scully had a gun to take to bed with her. I sure wished I had kept in touch with misbehaver, many times I wished I had kept in touch with misbehaver. Some people have seen more and don't jump to the conclusion that someone is delusional.

I did have a lot to think about. I thought about when I was posting as Pietra and got mercilessly trolled by Todd Brown, who works at DHS in Texas. I had to wonder about that. I look back on my reaction, so different than it would be now, and I wonder if he taught me to punch back. I wonder if he was for real experimenting on me with psychological techniques. There can't be any real rhyme or reason to the things that go on here, certainly it is first of all a surreal medium in which we are communicating, then on top of that many of us just fucking get rocked by historical pain. That psychology of torture article, as someone else put it, hit me right between the eyes. I too had the problem with conception of time. I couldn't feel history. I didn't remember a lot of it, and I didn't know what it meant that I didn't remember it. Well I am not putting it into words very well right now. I do have a lot of forbearance in my heart, and I think people know what I mean, because we have seen the worst sides of ourselves and suffered seeing it and blamed ourselves and tried to understand and study brainwashing and come to peace, we can't help but see that abusive people got started somewhere, but still in them is a child that was lost along the way, and regaining ourselves we see that potential in other people too. So I tend less to hold grudges. On the other hand I waste my time appealing to the best in people who are hurting me and won't stop.

All I want right now is sanctuary. I used to wish so much for that, times when I lived in the hell state (Fairfax County, VA, one of Dante's rungs of hell) I longed for the woods and the mountains, I wanted to curl up in the moss. But like Angelina Jolie said, I would be ashamed to think I had anything to complain about. It's a life, it's really okay, and beyond that it really is okay and good to seek out what makes me happy, my inner life really does count, dreams and desires and intuitions and instincts are real. That aspect of my humanness is something the cult created personality felt derisive towards for a long, long time, and when not derisive, I was just afraid, in the way I know some people here understand, afraid to let any of those dreams and desires get spoken aloud because they would just get abused and killed again.

I want to get it right, the fine line between speaking my truth, protecting myself, and making allowances for other people. I don't believe in vengeance, but sometimes I want it. I don't think being a shrinking violet will save the world anymore than allowing abusive people to get away with abuse rather than being held accountable will. I want to know a different way among humans, and studying anthropology with some good professors has given me some good information, but I want it in person. By the way, David Graeber, an anarchist anthropology professor fired from Yale for his radical views, is a Straight survivor; I hope to get my hands on his books one of these days soon. I think some of us could have endless conversations, like about the reverberations between individual human drives and social institutions and the co-creation of culture.

Being fucked with isn't fun, and it is exhausting precisely because I knew it was happening but I couldn't call it because Brian Zareva had already lied to me so much it traumatized me, and because I couldn't, I couldn't take one more person saying "I don't know what you're talking about". It really was like Chinese water torture, drip, drip, drip. My mind really did get tripped out and that is the real horrifying cruelty of it, absolutely horrifying. If it has never happened to you, you just don't know. It made me sick. I could hardly eat anymore from the shock.

I do thank you for your forbearance while I sort out who was fucking with me versus coincidence. I may have incorrectly identified Lisa Phillips because I saw things from our phone conversations go up here in wierd ways, but having had the experience of hearing another cell phone conversation while I was on my phone near someone else who was on their phone, I am starting to understand what really could have been happening. I just don't know. I know Lisa was a very good friend to me when we talked. I hope if anyone has something to tell me they won't be scared to tell me. They could help put things together so I feel a little better, even if they did do something bad to me, or something they thought was good at the time that turned out messed up.

This has all given me a lot to think about. Even your enemies can teach you things. As Russell Means' father said to him (I don't have the book, Where White Men Fear to Tread, so I will hope to get this close to right): "If anything bad happens to you, it's your own fault for being so stupid. But if you learn something from it, nothing bad really happened."

I go into shops, I meet beautiful people, I see their hearts shining in their beautiful eyes. Everything is ending, everything is beginning. Pray for good homes for my dogs, and a good place for me. I miss my dance floors and ballet classes most of all. I could really use a bag of weed, too. I thank you. Namaste, mitakuye oyasin, and leave room for some Irish brawlin' too.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2007, 07:30:38 PM »
Books by David Graeber, Straight survivor:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... enstevensh
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2007, 09:41:05 PM »
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Pray for good homes for my dogs, and a good place for me. I miss my dance floors and ballet classes most of all. I could really use a bag of weed, too. I thank you. Namaste, mitakuye oyasin, and leave room for some Irish brawlin' too.

I hope you & your dogs find a good place to be.
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2007, 06:34:39 AM »
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All I want right now is sanctuary. I used to wish so much for that, times when I lived in the hell state (Fairfax County, VA, one of Dante's rungs of hell) I longed for the woods and the mountains, I wanted to curl up in the moss. But like Angelina Jolie said, I would be ashamed to think I had anything to complain about. It's a life, it's really okay, and beyond that it really is okay and good to seek out what makes me happy, my inner life really does count, dreams and desires and intuitions and instincts are real. That aspect of my humanness is something the cult created personality felt derisive towards for a long, long time, and when not derisive, I was just afraid, in the way I know some people here understand, afraid to let any of those dreams and desires get spoken aloud because they would just get abused and killed again.

I want to get it right, the fine line between speaking my truth, protecting myself, and making allowances for other people. I don't believe in vengeance, but sometimes I want it. I don't think being a shrinking violet will save the world anymore than allowing abusive people to get away with abuse rather than being held accountable will. I want to know a different way among humans, and studying anthropology with some good professors has given me some good information, but I want it in person. By the way, David Graeber, an anarchist anthropology professor fired from Yale for his radical views, is a Straight survivor; I hope to get my hands on his books one of these days soon. I think some of us could have endless conversations, like about the reverberations between individual human drives and social institutions and the co-creation of culture.

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Interesting.
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