The Drugging of our Children

[Anonymous]

You're totally full of shit. ADD/ADHD may not be detectable by a biopsy or a blood test, but the symptoms are real -- in kids who truly have the disorder -- and certain meds do actually help those symptoms.

I agree ADD/ADHD is way over-diagnosed these days. But for some small percentage of kids, the problems are real and the pharmaceutical treatment provides some relief.

[Anonymous]

You're totally full of shit. ADD/ADHD may not be detectable by a biopsy or a blood test, but the symptoms are real -- in kids who truly have the disorder -- and certain meds do actually help those symptoms.

Prove it.

[Anonymous]

No, you prove it, retard.

And stop hiding behind guest postings when you have a username. You're not fooling anyone.

When dealing with something as ugly and monolithic as a massively bloated psychomedical establishment, the last thing we need is the usual array of quacks and charlatans like Gary Null and the Church of Clamology.

[Deborah]

I agree ADD/ADHD is way over-diagnosed these days. But for some small percentage of kids, the problems are real and the pharmaceutical treatment provides some relief.

Can you clarify how they work?
What is the chemical composition of Ritalin?
Is Cocaine really the "cure" for any disease?
The question for drugs is the same as for programs: Does the means justify the end, when there are safer alternative?

[Anonymous]

No, you prove it, retard.

And stop hiding behind guest postings when you have a username. You're not fooling anyone.

When dealing with something as ugly and monolithic as a massively bloated psychomedical establishment, the last thing we need is the usual array of quacks and charlatans like Gary Null and the Church of Clamology.

Relax, I'm agreeing with you.  And I'll post however the fuck I wanna post.



 

[Gregg]

Look MGDP, you're the one who is obviously disturbed and needs to be helped. How the helpless and innocent victims who speak out about the harm done to them in that video can fail to move anyone is beyond comprehension. Your rants, accusation and slander are those of someone with no real caring & compassion in their heart at all. One part of the video speaks of 65 set of parents who lost children for being medicated (that's 65 dead children btw who should still be living..) and all you can do is attack the folks who bring awareness about these issues to those who need know about them..

   Why should that be a problem for you???

   Explain yourself..

[Anonymous]

First Guest: Do you have ADD or something? Shouldn't it have been obvious which one of you I was replying to?

Gregg posting under Guest name: Shut the fuck up. You're nowhere near as good at the ad hominem as I am, so quit trying to pretend.

I don't even have a player that will take that video link, and frankly if it's as full of shit as the rest of that useless site, I'm not interested in watching it.

THIS link will show the reality of Ritalin: http://www.capecodonline.com/special/add/day1main.htm

Ritalin isn't dope. Ritalin is the opposite of dope, which is why college students use it to study. Ritalin works because they were either born doped or had brain damage done to them in very early childhood. It turns on circuitry that should have already been on to begin with. Chocolate-covered espresso beans, as you so laughably posted elsewhere? Guess what, coffee and chocolate are both stimulants, so of course it works! Way to accomplish the exact same thing, although probably less effectively. Maybe there should be a clinical trial done with that versus Ritalin.

This, of course, ought to be even more disturbing than the "our kids are being drugged!" line. These kids are born fucked up. Something happened to them to make them that way. What? Considering the enormous rate of pregnant women smoking in this country, I'd love to point a good, solid finger there. Other chemicals might have a similar effect on the developing fetal brain. In other words, what we really need is a good, long, biochemical investigation of what's gone wrong with these children, what influence is causing this, and how we can take it out of the environment.

Thing is, almost no one wants this, not the pharmaceutical industry and especially not quack "naturopaths" who don't want to admit that the human body is, indeed, governed by chemical reactions.

No no no, it's just more clam-like bullshit for you.

[Anonymous]

First Guest: Do you have ADD or something? Shouldn't it have been obvious which one of you I was replying to?.

Yeah, I said "prove it" to the person who posted about meds working for ADD/HD and you said..........

"No, you prove it, retard.

And stop hiding behind guest postings when you have a username. You're not fooling anyone. "

Looks like you were addressing me but I guess I could be wrong.

[Anonymous]

Ah, I figured you were the same smacktard as Gregg, then. We're not on the same side at all.

The problem isn't that Ritalin doesn't work.

The problem is that it does work, and it shouldn't.

[Anonymous]

Ok, ok.  You win.  We're not on the same side at all.

 :roll:


I think this country has flipped it's fucking lid with this ADD/HD, bipolar, depression bullshit.  I really do.  It's one thing to try and identify difficulties a kid may be having in school, or a person in their lives but it's quite another to dope practically an entire generation.

[Anonymous]

but it's quite another to dope practically an entire generation.

You're not even going to address where I said that Ritalin isn't dope? Do you have... attention span problems?

See, if I were a monomaniacal, diabolical, control freak out to subjugate American kids through prescription drugs, the last thing I would give them is something to stimulate their brain and increase their focus. (This much is proven, by the college students taking it for that exact purpose.) Focused people are many, many times more dangerous when pissed off. An unfocused adolescent who hates you will commit minor acts of vandalism and write anarchy symbols on the walls in pen. A focused one will systematically destroy everything you stand for.

Sio the whole "they're all out to drug our kids!" conspiracy theory, like almost every other one, falls right through.

Now is anyone willing to address the issue of what the hell happened to these kids to make them need Ritalin for basic self control?

[Deborah]

Milk,
I appreciate you in many ways, so don't take this the wrong way, but you are gravely misinformed on Ritalin and ADD/HD.

Ritalin doesn't "work" because kids have brain damage or were born defective. It works because it is an amphetamine and speed pushed hyper people over the bell curve. Ritalin doesn't turn on any "circuitry". Who is hawking that theory?
College kids take/snort Ritalin to get a buzz. They like it so much and it's so readily available there's a burgeoning black market for it and other legal drugs.

No one, even the Scientologists you despise, claims that people/kids don't have emotional distresses. Consumers need to know that most of psychiatry is not based in science. They are in fact volunteering to be guniea pigs. And if they are informed, then it's their choice. Most advocates of any persuasion, want transparency and informed consent.

And if you really believe that the pharmaceutical industry isn't loving life right now, you are again wrong.  Every child and adult involved with a public school, every pregnant women or elderly person will be screened for mental illness in the next few years, unless it's stopped, to find the estimated 40% of the population who are "mentally ill" and in need of treatment. Do you believe that statistic? I don't.

Chemical restraint, program restraint, not much difference.

[Anonymous]

Again MGDP, you're the one that has problem, not the kids you're stigmitizing and advocating drugging for fake illnesses.. According to these experts, Ritalin is more powerful that Cocaine..

http://http://www.slate.com/id/2076413/

  Dr. Peter Breggin on Ritalin

http://http://www.breggin.com/congress.html

Table I summarizes many of the most salient adverse effects of all the commonly used stimulant drugs.  It is important to note that the Drug Enforcement Administration, and all other drug enforcement agencies worldwide, classify methylphenidate (Ritalin) and amphetamine (Dexedrine and Adderall) in the same Schedule II category as methamphetamine, cocaine, and the most potent opiates and barbiturates.  Schedule II includes only those drugs with the very highest potential for addiction and abuse.

[Anonymous]

It works because it is an amphetamine and speed pushed hyper people over the bell curve.

This doesn't even make sense. Pushed them in which direction?

And if you read xenu.net for a while, you'd quickly despise the clams too. Or google for child abuse and Scientology for a while.

College kids take/snort Ritalin to get a buzz.

Some, yes- but far from all. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 81_pf.html

"What was a surprise, though, was the alarming rate of senior business majors who have used" the drugs, he writes. Almost 90 percent reported at least occasional use of "smart pills" at crunch times such as final exams, including Adderall, Ritalin, Strattera and others.

They wouldn't be using it if it didn't work.

Here's the real, experimental, they-looked-inside-the-brain data on Ritalin:

http://www.the-aps.org/press/journal/06/11.htm


Oh, and retard? Check your own links. That Slate article destroys your point.

those who naturally lack an adequate amount of dopamine, such as people diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder,

[Anonymous]

ok youve got me. i cant prove the existence of ADD by pointing to a particular imbalance in the brain & I understand that the jury is still out. What i am about to say is based solely on my own observations

I have worked (on both a paid and voluntary basis) with kids on and off  for 12 years . Usually coachng sporting teams. Un fortunately wihle diagnosis does not seem to have reached the fever pitch of the US here it is on the rise and it seems to be on the rise for any kid who is "difficult". This is of concern. But there are a few kids who do seem to geniunely be unable to focus on anything and who have real troubles sleeping at any time and whose doctors do diagnose them. When i was growing up it was called being "hyperactive". Perhaps for them this is a real condition and for a smal percentage of these kids drugs when everything else has been tried works.

Moreover there are many medical conditions that doctors diagnose with a series of symptoms rather than pinpointign a spot in the brain. Look at epilepsy. When doctors take a series of tests and scans to diagnose this what they are doing is simply ruling out other things that they can see llike tumors and trauma or bruising to explain the fact that the patient is siezing. medication in addition to lifestyle changes works in controlling this condition and gives the patient a normal life.