Prince Charles and Camilla tour The Seed School

[Anonymous]

It seems that, lately, every time the White House entertains British royalty, they feel compelled to run them through the latest and greatest in programs designed to squash the unwaspie cultures in our midst. Is it just the Reagan/Büsh Nazi cabal? Or is this some tradition that goes back further than that?

Oh, it's vestigial remains of "the white man's burden" and the concept of noblesse oblige.
 
"Oh look, Camilla, they're educating the poor people! And darkies at that! How novel!"  

"Yes, truly fascinating! Do you think these savages actually learn, or do they merely repeat what their betters tell them?"  

"Don't be silly, Dear---of course they don't actually "learn", but still, they are better off than thery were, much like the refugees from the hurricane that hit the Southern provinces a few whiffins past".

[Anonymous]

People eat that shit up, too.

[starry-eyed pirate]

Fuck the Crown.  i was there in group when "lady Di" came to Springfield.  Hers is the only death i have known that i had nothin' to mourn for.  i mourn even for strangers on the news, but not for the princess of Wales

Fuck...perhaps i reveal my own depravity, but i had to sit and watch as those mutherfuckers endorsed str8 to the world.  A completely irresponsible act.  i know she was used as a tool.  Still she was right there, with so much power.  Why didn't she help ??

[starry-eyed pirate]

Oh well...i guess.

[Antigen]

On 2005-11-04 11:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

Oh, it's vestigial remains of "the white man's burden" and the concept of noblesse oblige.

Vestigial? U sure `bout that? I'm not at all.

What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem?
--William Simpson

[tommyfromhyde1]

Are we talking about the same Seed here?

But this is far from demonstrating that the authorities must interpose to suppress these vices by commercial prohibitions, nor is it by any means evident that such intervention on the part of the government is really capable of suppressing them or that, even if this end could be attained, it might not therewith open up a Pandora's box of other dangers, no less mischievous than alcoholism and morphinism.
http://www.mises.org/liberal/ch1sec11.asp' target='_new'>Ludwig Von Mises

[Antigen]

No, actually, it seems a lot more like a Hyde school than the Seed. There are differences, though. They take poor "inner-city" (not white LOL) kids on public funding, not the other kind of poor kids w/ wealthy parents. Just do a news search search on "Prince Charles Seed" for leads.

I guess I spent all of an hour reading up on it. I don't think it's anywhere near the biggest problem going either in public schools or in the troubled parent industry. But it is an interesting li'll detail in that the Reagans brought Princess Di to Straight, Inc (twice!). I'd certainly like to hear what (if anything) Charles thinks about it. Frankly, he seems to be taking this whole junket about as well as any American workin' man consigned to a week long tour of all the best malls. Iow, I don't think he's thinking much about any of it.

Leme know what you think.

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[Helena Handbasket]

Frankly, he seems to be taking this whole junket about as well as any American workin' man consigned to a week long tour of all the best malls. Iow, I don't think he's thinking much about any of it.

I think you hit the nail on the head - I don't think any of these visiting dignitaries really give two shits about the state of our schools or really what we do in this country at all.  I think it's a mission to be seen while they gawk in morbid curiosity under the guise of some humanitarian effort.

As far as the "conspiracy" angle is concerned - No, not everything on this board is about some deep conspiracy.  However, seeing a school called The Seed some thirty years after the original is probably quite eerie to the folks who were incarcerated in the original.  Wouldn't you question if a new airline popped up named PanAm or TWA was connected to the original?  I think that's all we're talking about here - as well as the similarities.[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-11-05 11:47 ]

[Antigen]

Hmm, no, that's not what I'm talking about. Even though the logos are very similar (only real difference is the school has an acorn while Art's cult had a mustard seed), I think it's probably just coincidence. It is a common theme, after all, and not an entirely bad idea on the face of it. We very obviously have a cultural problem in many of our inner city areas. And this new Seed, 30 years hence, looks to be yet another federally funded attempt at planting some Good® seed in those austensibly fallow fields.

No, what got my attention was that the Büsh handlers have chosen this reaculturation project to show off to the British royalty this time around. As far as I can tell from what I've read (very cursory glance, really) it seems to be a good deal better than what Nancy Reagan had to show in the `80's. At least some of the kids are allowed to go back home on the weekends or some other breaks (it wasn't clear from the journal entry) and hang w/ their own "boys". And, evidently, it's not verboten to speak of it, even to include it in program advertising material.

But I came away from my brief research w/ the distinct impression that this is yet another attempt by the elites to hijack and reinvent the children of people who they view as their poor, pathetic inferiors. That the kids and some of their parents buy into it doesn't really make a compelling case for the idea.

It's one thing to get a decent education and to learn the stupid human tricks necessary to pass for a full member in the exclusive clubs where one has to blend in in order to make a decent living. It's something entirely different to seperate kids from their own kin and neighbors and convince them to reject, out of hand, their own legacies.

Would we really be a better country or a better people if, say, New Orleans or Mo Town had been waspified?

I can't tell from here how much of one and how little of the other is going on there. I just thought it was interesting that the shrub saw fit to bring the royals to a boarding school. So I looked into it just a bit.

That's all.

That which does not kill you can make you stronger, but I really never needed to be this strong.



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[webcrawler]

But I came away from my brief research w/ the distinct impression that this is yet another attempt by the elites to hijack and reinvent the children of people who they view as their poor, pathetic inferiors. That the kids and some of their parents buy into it doesn't really make a compelling case for the idea.

This made me think about the elite private schools recruiting inner city non-white kids to have better sports teams and maybe have some kickbacks once the kids go pro.

I have a friend who's son was "recruited" and was sent with all expenses paid to some private high school in PA so he could play basketball. Now they are putting him through college with the hopes he goes pro.

[GregFL]

What is possible Ginger, is that someone familar with the Seed (florida), perhaps a graduate or someone of the peripheral of it, fashioned this boarding school after it.

THAT would not surprise me one bit.

[Antigen]

On 2005-11-05 12:55:00, webcrawler wrote:

I have a friend who's son was "recruited" and was sent with all expenses paid to some private high school in PA so he could play basketball. Now they are putting him through college with the hopes he goes pro.

Now see, I don't have a problem w/ that scenario. The kid is earning his way by his own merit. He owns it. If he really hates it, despite obvious pressure from family, faculty and the team counting on him, he could just not do it. It's his choice, whether it's worth the ass kissing or not. And there's probably a good deal of ass kissing going back the other way.

That's the American Dream®, isn't it; to turn your own abilities to your own advantage?

It's quite different from being pulled up out of the 'scum' as a pittiable welfare case for no good purpose to anyone except to provide an impressive tamed wildlife display for the Royals when they honor us w/ a visit.

Greg, yeah, I think that's probably possible. But would the artistic genius who came up w/ the concept/logo ever admit to it?

One has to multiply thoughts to the point where there aren't enough
policemen to control them



--Stanislaw Lec

[starry-eyed pirate]

On 2005-11-05 06:44:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:

"Fuck the Crown.  i was there in group when "lady Di" came to Springfield.  Hers is the only death i have known that i had nothin' to mourn for.  i mourn even for strangers on the news, but not for the princess of Wales



Fuck...perhaps i reveal my own depravity, but i had to sit and watch as those mutherfuckers endorsed str8 to the world.  A completely irresponsible act.  i know she was used as a tool.  Still she was right there, with so much power.  Why didn't she help ??"

Then again, i can imagine sitting in some outdoor location, possibly near a polo field, and having drinks with the prince of Wales.  i bet we'd have a real good conversation.  i'd be real cool and charming and show off my diplomatic skills, then after i had his confidence i'd tell him that i was in str8.  Ask him if he remembered his wife coming to visit the program in Springfield, VA(Faifax Co.) with Nancy Reagan in what was it '86 i think, ?? ...i'm not sure... i have no way to reference the time exactly due to str8s' enslavement of my thoughts and my having hardly any perspective of my own at the time.  

i'd ask him what he thought of that politicalization of my sufferin'.  i remember bein' there.  How they read'ed the place all up, and hung pictures up on the walls, jus' for that day.  Placed some nice potted plants around to liven up the place.  isn't that the way it was ??  Or am i becoming confused ??  i remember the red rolled carpet now that was in the front of the building and it was under some kind of a rented canopy.  i must a been on 3rd phase at the time.  i think i helped to set that carpet down for the royal princess's feet to walk on.  i remember all the suit thugs ever'where too.  The building was sniffed by dogs.  As the building was bein' searched, ya know, fer bombs 'n' such, the whole group walked outside into the parking lot.  Newcomers were held by the beltoop, heal/toe, in line pro'ly for like 25 mins. or so.  There were CIA, MI6, television crews, bright lights.  There was a lot of fear.  

just before the open meeting that night(i hated open meetings!! What a bunch o'idiots!!)staff asked if there was anyone who didn' want to be filmed by the news media to raise your hand.  Only a few of us raised our hands, but i did, and i was moved to the back of group with the other 4 or 5 people who were not into being filmed sitting in an open meeting with the princess and Nancy Reagan.  i was all stressed out cause i was actually thinking of causing a scene of some kind, but there was of course all the talk in the dinner rap about how if anyone misbehaved in front of the princess they might get shot by the CIA or MI6 or somethin'.  i know it sounds stupid now but at the time the whole thing was very intimidating.  Open Meeting that night was full of international media.  i'd ask my friend Charles what his thoughts were regarding all that.  i wouldn' be too hard on him.  i'm sure we could enjoy a hearty and thoughtful conversation...

[webcrawler]

On 2005-11-05 15:25:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2005-11-05 12:55:00, webcrawler wrote:


I have a friend who's son was "recruited" and was sent with all expenses paid to some private high school in PA so he could play basketball. Now they are putting him through college with the hopes he goes pro.

Now see, I don't have a problem w/ that scenario. The kid is earning his way by his own merit. He owns it. If he really hates it, despite obvious pressure from family, faculty and the team counting on him, he could just not do it. It's his choice, whether it's worth the ass kissing or not. And there's probably a good deal of ass kissing going back the other way.



That's the American Dream®, isn't it; to turn your own abilities to your own advantage?



It's quite different from being pulled up out of the 'scum' as a pittiable welfare case for no good purpose to anyone except to provide an impressive tamed wildlife display for the Royals when they honor us w/ a visit.



Greg, yeah, I think that's probably possible. But would the artistic genius who came up w/ the concept/logo ever admit to it?

One has to multiply thoughts to the point where there aren't enough
policemen to control them



--Stanislaw Lec

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Whether or not he is benefiting from this does not take away the fact that he and many other kids are being exploited in these situations. No one gives a rat's ass about these same kids until they show some talent in sports and the recruiters can make money off of them.

Getting a free education is just a smoke screen and it's sports where these people want to see the kids like him excel and the low GPA's are just ignored. It's not because some rich guy is feeling charitable that my friend's son is playing college ball with a "free" ride. It's because the rich guy wants to make money off him and essentially this kid is now the property of someone. Should this kid get injured and can't go pro I bet all the interest in him would go away. Sure I want my friend and her family to get rich by her son playing pro basketball, but let's not kid ourselves that mainstream society values him beyond sports.

[Antigen]

No, not a smoke screen. A trade. I hope he's got some kick ass insurance, and anything else that's important to him, written into that contract. Of course the school and the scout want to make money, silly! That's what they do. If the kid has something they're willing to pay for, what's wrong w/ him marketing his skills?

I just don't see a problem there.

By contrast, the kid in the Seed school doesn't get to deal as an equal player. He's still somebody's meal ticket but he's not getting a cut.

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough.
--Aldous Huxley, author