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« Reply #165 on: September 29, 2005, 08:58:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-29 15:55:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-09-29 15:00:00, Nihilanthic wrote:



":lol: Id settle for an explanation of why Im having trouble getting a job, Im having trouble affording an education... and our leaders are by most accounts dumbfucks  :roll:

The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.






--H.L. Mencken

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Aspergers Syndrome?  I'm serious, when you mentioned your I.Q. and then looked at the type of responses you were giving to people expressing their feelings it clicked.


Check it out - no slight intended"

By definition, those with AS have a normal IQ and many individuals (although not all), exhibit exceptional skill or talent in a specific area. Because of their high degree of functionality and their naiveté, those with AS are often viewed as eccentric or odd and can easily become victims of teasing and bullying. While language development seems, on the surface, normal, individuals with AS often have deficits in pragmatics and prosody. Vocabularies may be extraordinarily rich and some children sound like "little professors." However, persons with AS can be extremely literal and have difficulty using language in a social context.



This DOES NOT describe Niles.



Why would a genius-level IQ lead you to think about AS when, by definition, IQ's are normal?  



I think you spend too much time trying to LOOK like you know what you're talking about and too little time actually learning.



If you're going to be an arm-chair psychologist, at least try to give a somewhat relevent diagnosis.
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Not claiming to be an expert, but this information appears to be  incorrect.  If you look at the DSM-IV DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA FOR ASPERGER'S DISORDER  (http://www.aspergers.com/aspcrit.htm), there is no mention of IQ at all.

Also, looking at various sites - some say average IQ, others say high IQ.  One thing that does seem to be consistant is the concept of Performance IQ vs Verbal IQ.  I have no knowledge of how IQ breaks down into the different areas - and will admit, my limited experience leads me to think that IQ is totally meaningless and irrelevant in terms of intelligence, ability, or anything else.

So - while I'm not an expert, minimal research seems to indicate that statements about a correlation between Aspergers and IQ are conflicting at best.
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« Reply #166 on: September 29, 2005, 09:17:00 PM »
We seem to have strayed from the topic at hand which was:
 
Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
 
I want to return to it. I decided to ask some other experts in the field of teen development and queried my bowling buddies. These guys have all been married since I was wearing diapers and have grown children and/or teens of their own. It took me a long time to convince them that teen escorts actually existed. They were aghast and said things like, "No way can that be legal!" and "Not in this country!" One suggested he'd like to find a program for his wife.

After getting through this initial astonishment, I turned to the topic above and asked them the same question. The result was interesting and amusing.
 
Dual income families are to blame. Yup. That is what the group concluded. Here was their reasoning:
 
It used to be that families raised their own children. When the economy went south and women were liberated (funny how this happened at the same time), people had to find childcare outside the home. Since the extended family had long been in decline and the grandparents were in nursing homes instead of the traditional extended family farmhouse, the dual income couple had to buy their childcare from businesses. They needed the dual income to pay for both the nursing home and the day care.

This set up a situation where kids are now raised by institutions instead of families.

As the economy got worse and the workday became longer, after school programs stepped in further removing the parents from the kids. We are now at a point where parents pick up their children, drive them home, give them a bath and put them to bed. Sometimes they forget their kids names. Sometimes, they accidentally take home someone else's kids and have to exchange them the following day. One father, so obsessed with work, forgot to drop his kid off at daycare and left him the car all day (this is sadly a true story). The child cooked to death.

When the institutionally raised, unempathethic child starts to rebel from the absentee parents, as all teens do, the parents simply do what they always have done. They hire an institution to take care of the child. Because they never really were parents, they do not know any other way. These wealthy, hard working, corporate ladder climbers are too busy with their portfolios and their careers to really check into what is going on in with the kids. They also get bragging rights about sending the kids to boarding school just like the wealthy, old-money New England set. And, it gets the little fuckers out of the way.

"Either that," as one 74-year-old (whose son is a policeman and daughter is serving in Iraq) said, "or they are just plain stupid!"

So I asked them the $64,000 question. "What should a struggling parent do when their teen is so out of control that the parents feel that the teen's life is in danger and so are the siblings' lives and so are the parents' lives?" I took a deep breath.

After they stopped laughing, they made remarks like; "Isn't every teenager's life in danger." and "It's amazing any of us survived the stunts we pulled as teenagers."

A 61-year-old confessed. He said his son smoked pot and drank and constantly broke curfew. I asked him, "What did you do?" He said he never gave his son keys to the car or the house, ever. So, when his son broke curfew, he would lock up the house. The boy had to ring the doorbell to wake Dad up and let him in. The father would go to the door, smell his breath, check for red eyes, and demand a convincing explanation as to why he could not make it home. If the explanation was not good enough, he told the boy, "I hope you enjoy staying at at a friend's tonight." He closed the door. Once, his son, in a fit of adolescent rage at not being allowed in, threw a rock through the living room window. The father called the police. The boy spent the night in juvenile hall. The father picked him up the next day and dropped the charges. The son never broke curfew again. He did, however, continue to smoke pot and drink once in a while. As the father said, "Didn't we all?" We raised our beers and drank.

I asked, "What if your teenager is having sex?" The quick response was, "Show me a teenager not having sex and I'll show you an ugly teenager." Some said they would assist in getting the teen started. Ooookaaay...

I asked them directly what they thought of such programs. Most shrugged. One man muttered, "So that's how they turn kids into Republicans." Another said, "It's a great scam! You run a cult and don't have to recruit. Parents pay you to take their kids and make them members! Why didn't I think of it?"

Then we thought of an even better scam. We would open our own facility. But instead of tough-love, we'd just keep the kids high and happy all the time and send letters to their parents like:
 
 Dear Programmed Parent,
 Your child has not yet progressed enough to allow us to let you speak to them or see them. They are making good progress, though, and we feel your child deserves a reward. We suggest you send an iPod or xBox to show your kid how much you really care and encourage further progress. By the way, your child needs new sneakers. In order to instill a good sense of self-esteem and enforce the requirement that our students be well dressed and behaved, we would like you to send a new pair of expensive Nike's in your child's size (or just send the money and we will buy them). If you wish to make a further donation to refurbish the basketball court, it would be greatly appreciated by the children and staff.

 Keep in mind that any attempt to contact your child will harm his or her progress and almost certainly lead to death, arrest, or drug addiction. We will keep you fully informed of your little darling's progress.

 Sincerely,
 Your child's Therapist.

 If a suspicious parent tried to get their kid back, we would meet them at the door, hand the kid over, and never let the parents come inside. If they noticed that their child was high, drunk, and perhaps pregnant, we would inform them that the little brat never worked the program and we were going to kick them out, anyway.

 We would hold group therapy sessions where the kids would be required to confess every dirty secret they knew about their parents (for potential blackmail income), and everything they hate about parents, school, society, authority, Britney Spears, whatever. This would be greatly entertaining and therapeutic for everyone involved.

 Once a month we would have each student pack their dirty laundry and ship it home for the parents to wash, dry and return neatly folded. We would explain to the parents that this practice is to remind them that they are ultimately responsible for the care and upbringing of their kids. Failure to comply will result in being sued for child abandonment.

 We would require the parents to send an allowance to the kids so they could learn the value of managing money and gain self-esteem by taking control over their own finances. We would, of course, skim a percentage. And we would set up a store to sell the kids stuff kids want.

 My bowling buddies went on like this for awhile, but then wives began calling. Eye lids began drooping and we realized it was time to go home.
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« Reply #167 on: September 29, 2005, 09:17:00 PM »
Well Good conversation, still glade I threw it out there.  I would still suggest digging a little deeper.  I believe, although not an expert on any PDD, Aspergers typically have higher I.Q. and social interaction problems, (Reading body language, noticing if someone is upset etc) and are typically heavily fixated on one physical item (Cars,door-knobs, trains etc).  I think we merely scratched the surface on this.  Nile could help us a little.
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« Reply #168 on: September 29, 2005, 09:38:00 PM »
Niles
why can't you answer this question?

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Why does this logic for validity work for you when you talk about the horrors in some behavior modification schools, but does not when you talk about the evidence of God and the life, death and ressurection of Jesus Christ?  "

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« Reply #169 on: September 29, 2005, 10:01:00 PM »
Atomic Ant,
That was great!!! Your bowlin buddies were rigth on the mark.
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« Reply #170 on: September 29, 2005, 11:03:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-29 18:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Niles

why can't you answer this question?

On 2005-09-29 04:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Why does this logic for validity work for you when you talk about the horrors in some behavior modification schools, but does not when you talk about the evidence of God and the life, death and ressurection of Jesus Christ?  "





An ongoing event that can be investigated at any time with living witnesses is much different than an event that happened 2000 years ago, and there are no living witnesses.

Everybody's story with these programs match up.  They manage to match up even though they're separated by time and distance. Yet, in the bible, the aspostles seem to disagree on various points, plus the whole thing could have been falsified.  

N/hh
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« Reply #171 on: September 30, 2005, 01:26:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-29 18:17:00, AtomicAnt wrote:

"We seem to have strayed from the topic at hand which was:

 

Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?

 

I want to return to it. I decided to ask some other experts in the field of teen development and queried my bowling buddies. These guys have all been married since I was wearing diapers and have grown children and/or teens of their own. It took me a long time to convince them that teen escorts actually existed. They were aghast and said things like, "No way can that be legal!" and "Not in this country!" One suggested he'd like to find a program for his wife.



After getting through this initial astonishment, I turned to the topic above and asked them the same question. The result was interesting and amusing.

 

Dual income families are to blame. Yup. That is what the group concluded. Here was their reasoning:

 

It used to be that families raised their own children. When the economy went south and women were liberated (funny how this happened at the same time), people had to find childcare outside the home. Since the extended family had long been in decline and the grandparents were in nursing homes instead of the traditional extended family farmhouse, the dual income couple had to buy their childcare from businesses. They needed the dual income to pay for both the nursing home and the day care.



This set up a situation where kids are now raised by institutions instead of families.



As the economy got worse and the workday became longer, after school programs stepped in further removing the parents from the kids. We are now at a point where parents pick up their children, drive them home, give them a bath and put them to bed. Sometimes they forget their kids names. Sometimes, they accidentally take home someone else's kids and have to exchange them the following day. One father, so obsessed with work, forgot to drop his kid off at daycare and left him the car all day (this is sadly a true story). The child cooked to death.



When the institutionally raised, unempathethic child starts to rebel from the absentee parents, as all teens do, the parents simply do what they always have done. They hire an institution to take care of the child. Because they never really were parents, they do not know any other way. These wealthy, hard working, corporate ladder climbers are too busy with their portfolios and their careers to really check into what is going on in with the kids. They also get bragging rights about sending the kids to boarding school just like the wealthy, old-money New England set. And, it gets the little fuckers out of the way.



"Either that," as one 74-year-old (whose son is a policeman and daughter is serving in Iraq) said, "or they are just plain stupid!"



So I asked them the $64,000 question. "What should a struggling parent do when their teen is so out of control that the parents feel that the teen's life is in danger and so are the siblings' lives and so are the parents' lives?" I took a deep breath.



After they stopped laughing, they made remarks like; "Isn't every teenager's life in danger." and "It's amazing any of us survived the stunts we pulled as teenagers."



A 61-year-old confessed. He said his son smoked pot and drank and constantly broke curfew. I asked him, "What did you do?" He said he never gave his son keys to the car or the house, ever. So, when his son broke curfew, he would lock up the house. The boy had to ring the doorbell to wake Dad up and let him in. The father would go to the door, smell his breath, check for red eyes, and demand a convincing explanation as to why he could not make it home. If the explanation was not good enough, he told the boy, "I hope you enjoy staying at at a friend's tonight." He closed the door. Once, his son, in a fit of adolescent rage at not being allowed in, threw a rock through the living room window. The father called the police. The boy spent the night in juvenile hall. The father picked him up the next day and dropped the charges. The son never broke curfew again. He did, however, continue to smoke pot and drink once in a while. As the father said, "Didn't we all?" We raised our beers and drank.



I asked, "What if your teenager is having sex?" The quick response was, "Show me a teenager not having sex and I'll show you an ugly teenager." Some said they would assist in getting the teen started. Ooookaaay...



I asked them directly what they thought of such programs. Most shrugged. One man muttered, "So that's how they turn kids into Republicans." Another said, "It's a great scam! You run a cult and don't have to recruit. Parents pay you to take their kids and make them members! Why didn't I think of it?"



Then we thought of an even better scam. We would open our own facility. But instead of tough-love, we'd just keep the kids high and happy all the time and send letters to their parents like:

 

 Dear Programmed Parent,

 Your child has not yet progressed enough to allow us to let you speak to them or see them. They are making good progress, though, and we feel your child deserves a reward. We suggest you send an iPod or xBox to show your kid how much you really care and encourage further progress. By the way, your child needs new sneakers. In order to instill a good sense of self-esteem and enforce the requirement that our students be well dressed and behaved, we would like you to send a new pair of expensive Nike's in your child's size (or just send the money and we will buy them). If you wish to make a further donation to refurbish the basketball court, it would be greatly appreciated by the children and staff.



 Keep in mind that any attempt to contact your child will harm his or her progress and almost certainly lead to death, arrest, or drug addiction. We will keep you fully informed of your little darling's progress.



 Sincerely,

 Your child's Therapist.



 If a suspicious parent tried to get their kid back, we would meet them at the door, hand the kid over, and never let the parents come inside. If they noticed that their child was high, drunk, and perhaps pregnant, we would inform them that the little brat never worked the program and we were going to kick them out, anyway.



 We would hold group therapy sessions where the kids would be required to confess every dirty secret they knew about their parents (for potential blackmail income), and everything they hate about parents, school, society, authority, Britney Spears, whatever. This would be greatly entertaining and therapeutic for everyone involved.



 Once a month we would have each student pack their dirty laundry and ship it home for the parents to wash, dry and return neatly folded. We would explain to the parents that this practice is to remind them that they are ultimately responsible for the care and upbringing of their kids. Failure to comply will result in being sued for child abandonment.



 We would require the parents to send an allowance to the kids so they could learn the value of managing money and gain self-esteem by taking control over their own finances. We would, of course, skim a percentage. And we would set up a store to sell the kids stuff kids want.



 My bowling buddies went on like this for awhile, but then wives began calling. Eye lids began drooping and we realized it was time to go home."


The conflict I felt between delight at this rich dialogue and contempt at their invalid conclusions insired me to coin a new term:

WITTIOT!  :rofl:


You heard it here first, folks----
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« Reply #172 on: September 30, 2005, 02:23:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-29 18:17:00, AtomicAnt wrote:

"We seem to have strayed from the topic at hand which was:

 

Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?

 

I want to return to it. I decided to ask some other experts in the field of teen development and queried my bowling buddies. These guys have all been married since I was wearing diapers and have grown children and/or teens of their own. It took me a long time to convince them that teen escorts actually existed. They were aghast and said things like, "No way can that be legal!" and "Not in this country!" One suggested he'd like to find a program for his wife.



After getting through this initial astonishment, I turned to the topic above and asked them the same question. The result was interesting and amusing.

 

Dual income families are to blame. Yup. That is what the group concluded. Here was their reasoning:

 

It used to be that families raised their own children. When the economy went south and women were liberated (funny how this happened at the same time), people had to find childcare outside the home. Since the extended family had long been in decline and the grandparents were in nursing homes instead of the traditional extended family farmhouse, the dual income couple had to buy their childcare from businesses. They needed the dual income to pay for both the nursing home and the day care.



This set up a situation where kids are now raised by institutions instead of families.



As the economy got worse and the workday became longer, after school programs stepped in further removing the parents from the kids. We are now at a point where parents pick up their children, drive them home, give them a bath and put them to bed. Sometimes they forget their kids names. Sometimes, they accidentally take home someone else's kids and have to exchange them the following day. One father, so obsessed with work, forgot to drop his kid off at daycare and left him the car all day (this is sadly a true story). The child cooked to death.



When the institutionally raised, unempathethic child starts to rebel from the absentee parents, as all teens do, the parents simply do what they always have done. They hire an institution to take care of the child. Because they never really were parents, they do not know any other way. These wealthy, hard working, corporate ladder climbers are too busy with their portfolios and their careers to really check into what is going on in with the kids. They also get bragging rights about sending the kids to boarding school just like the wealthy, old-money New England set. And, it gets the little fuckers out of the way.



"Either that," as one 74-year-old (whose son is a policeman and daughter is serving in Iraq) said, "or they are just plain stupid!"



So I asked them the $64,000 question. "What should a struggling parent do when their teen is so out of control that the parents feel that the teen's life is in danger and so are the siblings' lives and so are the parents' lives?" I took a deep breath.



After they stopped laughing, they made remarks like; "Isn't every teenager's life in danger." and "It's amazing any of us survived the stunts we pulled as teenagers."



A 61-year-old confessed. He said his son smoked pot and drank and constantly broke curfew. I asked him, "What did you do?" He said he never gave his son keys to the car or the house, ever. So, when his son broke curfew, he would lock up the house. The boy had to ring the doorbell to wake Dad up and let him in. The father would go to the door, smell his breath, check for red eyes, and demand a convincing explanation as to why he could not make it home. If the explanation was not good enough, he told the boy, "I hope you enjoy staying at at a friend's tonight." He closed the door. Once, his son, in a fit of adolescent rage at not being allowed in, threw a rock through the living room window. The father called the police. The boy spent the night in juvenile hall. The father picked him up the next day and dropped the charges. The son never broke curfew again. He did, however, continue to smoke pot and drink once in a while. As the father said, "Didn't we all?" We raised our beers and drank.



I asked, "What if your teenager is having sex?" The quick response was, "Show me a teenager not having sex and I'll show you an ugly teenager." Some said they would assist in getting the teen started. Ooookaaay...



I asked them directly what they thought of such programs. Most shrugged. One man muttered, "So that's how they turn kids into Republicans." Another said, "It's a great scam! You run a cult and don't have to recruit. Parents pay you to take their kids and make them members! Why didn't I think of it?"



Then we thought of an even better scam. We would open our own facility. But instead of tough-love, we'd just keep the kids high and happy all the time and send letters to their parents like:

 

 Dear Programmed Parent,

 Your child has not yet progressed enough to allow us to let you speak to them or see them. They are making good progress, though, and we feel your child deserves a reward. We suggest you send an iPod or xBox to show your kid how much you really care and encourage further progress. By the way, your child needs new sneakers. In order to instill a good sense of self-esteem and enforce the requirement that our students be well dressed and behaved, we would like you to send a new pair of expensive Nike's in your child's size (or just send the money and we will buy them). If you wish to make a further donation to refurbish the basketball court, it would be greatly appreciated by the children and staff.



 Keep in mind that any attempt to contact your child will harm his or her progress and almost certainly lead to death, arrest, or drug addiction. We will keep you fully informed of your little darling's progress.



 Sincerely,

 Your child's Therapist.



 If a suspicious parent tried to get their kid back, we would meet them at the door, hand the kid over, and never let the parents come inside. If they noticed that their child was high, drunk, and perhaps pregnant, we would inform them that the little brat never worked the program and we were going to kick them out, anyway.



 We would hold group therapy sessions where the kids would be required to confess every dirty secret they knew about their parents (for potential blackmail income), and everything they hate about parents, school, society, authority, Britney Spears, whatever. This would be greatly entertaining and therapeutic for everyone involved.



 Once a month we would have each student pack their dirty laundry and ship it home for the parents to wash, dry and return neatly folded. We would explain to the parents that this practice is to remind them that they are ultimately responsible for the care and upbringing of their kids. Failure to comply will result in being sued for child abandonment.



 We would require the parents to send an allowance to the kids so they could learn the value of managing money and gain self-esteem by taking control over their own finances. We would, of course, skim a percentage. And we would set up a store to sell the kids stuff kids want.



 My bowling buddies went on like this for awhile, but then wives began calling. Eye lids began drooping and we realized it was time to go home."


Damn, this is great!  Well done AA and Company, you guys put those WWASPIE Cheerleaders and other Program Weenies to shame.

 :nworthy:
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« Reply #173 on: September 30, 2005, 05:01:00 AM »
I was curious about something. (For the record, I myself hate behavior mod and emotional growth schools.) I would really love to ask atomicAnt's friends, what would they do if their child was depressed and suicidal, and had already attempted suicide once or twice? Mental hospitals can help in some cases, but really don't in terms of helping a teen grow socially, and can make a kid depressed even more because they are under lock and key and around low-functioning people, and behavior mod schools don't address the problem, they just brainwash your kid into thinking they don't have an issue anymore. (If "successful".)

"Smacking some sense" into them isn't going to work. That's just going to make them feel shittier and more worthless and feed into their belief that they should die. Obviously, the kid has problems outside that of a normal teen, so what would you do? You obviously don't want to end up with a dead kid, you know?
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« Reply #174 on: September 30, 2005, 09:15:00 AM »
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"I was curious about something. (For the record, I myself hate behavior mod and emotional growth schools.) I would really love to ask atomicAnt's friends, what would they do if their child was depressed and suicidal, and had already attempted suicide once or twice? Mental hospitals can help in some cases, but really don't in terms of helping a teen grow socially, and can make a kid depressed even more because they are under lock and key and around low-functioning people, and behavior mod schools don't address the problem, they just brainwash your kid into thinking they don't have an issue anymore. (If "successful".)



"Smacking some sense" into them isn't going to work. That's just going to make them feel shittier and more worthless and feed into their belief that they should die. Obviously, the kid has problems outside that of a normal teen, so what would you do? You obviously don't want to end up with a dead kid, you know?"


This may come as a great shock to you, but only children who are at risk of harming themselves or another, or are psychotic, should be placed in a locked institution (psychiatric hospital or 24 hour acute care residential treatment center) where according to adolescent behavioral healthcase experts, most kids can be stablized in about 90 days (3 months) and sent home to continue out-patient therapy.

These long term behavior mod programs are nothing more than locked institutions that specialize in keeping non-compliant kids under control.  These types of programs are often ruled by fear and intimidation to encourage the youths to submit to the will of their "family leaders".  They are basically private prisons.

What's really disturbing is there are kids in these behavior mod warehouses who really DO need help and are at serious risk of harm for lack of proper diagnoses, care and treatment (no, being sent to isolation or made to clean toilets does not qualify as care and/or treatment).

Hope this helps answer your question.

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« Reply #175 on: September 30, 2005, 09:55:00 AM »
Right on.  Great answer.
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« Reply #176 on: September 30, 2005, 10:20:00 AM »
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What's really disturbing is there are kids in these behavior mod warehouses who really DO need help and are at serious risk of harm for lack of proper diagnoses, care and treatment (no, being sent to isolation or made to clean toilets does not qualify as care and/or treatment)."




As a former inmate of one of these prisons (cedu), I must say that you really hit the
nail on the head with this last statement.
I couldn't agree with you more.

I knew at least 4 kids from my time at cedu who graduated singing praises of the program, only to go on and commit suicide within a
year of getting out.  That made no sense to me: Why would someone kill themselves after they supposedly just spent 2 and 1/2 years being "helped" and guided "to lead
long and successful lives" ?  

If cedu school really cared about these kids (instead of profits), then why couldn't the school recognize the potential suicide risk in these kids, after 2-1/2 years
of constant observation and "therapy"?

There is no excuse, Cedu could've recognized these risks if they only cared enough to do so.
It also wouldn't have hurt if the school actually hired staff who were qualified to make such assessments.

The real tragedy is that for the outrageous amounts of money Cedu scammed from their
parents, all 4 of my friends could've received top notch help for their problems from the best and most qualified psychologists in the business.
Had this happened, then these kids would most likely still be alive to day.

What a Tragic waste of time, money, and ultimately these poor kid's lives.
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Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« Reply #177 on: September 30, 2005, 01:53:00 PM »
They're easy marks because there are so many of them.  You know the ols saying "There's a sucker born every minute."  

They relentlessly pitch the program to as many as possible, and a small fraction bite.

I'll give you an example in a different context.  I used to bartend and one of the "regulars,"  a fairly nice, normal guy, was complaing to me that he just never got laid.  I asked him "How many women have you asked to have sex with you?"  His reply was "Well, none."  I advised this young man to come in on Friday night and meet some women, talk to them and, just to see what happens, ask them if they wanted to have sex with him.  At around 11:00pm after he asked several dozen women if they'd like to have sex with him, I saw him leaving with a fairly nice looking woman and a wry smile.  The next day I asked him how it went and he reported that he did indeed get lucky.

The point: Try your pitch enough times and you'll get a taker.

There are SO MANY "struggling parents" out there that a certain percentage are shiftless, gullible, idealistic, lazy, have money and will buy a program.  Remember, "program kids" represent only a tiny fraction of all kids.
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« Reply #178 on: September 30, 2005, 04:22:00 PM »
Keep this in mind about Easy Marks -

Now you may get what you want -
but later -
you won't want what you got.

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« Reply #179 on: September 30, 2005, 07:06:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-30 10:53:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:


There are SO MANY "struggling parents" out there that a certain percentage are shiftless, gullible, idealistic, lazy, have money and will buy a program.  Remember, "program kids" represent only a tiny fraction of all kids.
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I agree and its refreshing to hear, so the majority of "Struggling Parents" are doing the right thing, resolving their issues at home, therapy etc., and a small fraction who have exhausted all other options (or girls at the bar) will send their kids to a TBS in hopes they will be saved.  Thank you , it seems to be all to common to bash the Struggling parents".
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