Encouraging Words for a teenager in Behavior Modification Sc

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On 2005-09-11 12:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-09-11 07:52:00, Anonymous wrote:


"That's right, it's all the parents' fault- these kids have no problems and are perfectly normal, functional teenagers.  The parents just got tired of having them live in the house so decided to spend $60K a year or so to put them in a program.  


Good to see that good ol', psycho Dysfunction Junction rage coming through- again and again."

Hello?  There's a reason these programs are full of mostly white, middle-to-upper-class kids and it ain't because they are all suffering from entitlementitis.  It's because they have lousy, lazy parents with enough case (or leverage) to force their kids out of the home and into one of these mind-numbing institutions.



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You got that right.

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On 2005-09-11 09:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-09-11 08:45:00, Anonymous wrote:


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I would worry about you being a parent, but I don't see much chance of that happening because no one would possibly ever be in a relationship with you.  I suppose there is the horrible possibility that you could rape someone, but you probably don't leave your computer terminal long enough."

The person who wrote this post should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.  This is all the commentary one needs to understand the Struggling Parents that post here and the deep psychological problems they have.



This is shameful and disgusting."

This is all you need to see to understand how the Struggling Turkeys operate.  It couldn't be any clearer how low-down, dirty and shameless these folks really are.

It is of no surprise that their kids don't do well.  Just look at the exmple set by the parent:  If people don't do what you want them to, abuse, berate, belittle and humiliate them.  But, under no circumstances, ever admit you're wrong or what you're doing is dreadful, just keep pointing the finger and hammering away.

In some cases, like with this parent, the kid is probably better off (however disgusting this sounds) being abused by strangers instead of this deeply disturbed parent.  It hurts less.

[Anonymous]

Yup, these struggling parents definitly need help.

Reminds me of this family on WIFE SWAP who were raising their 5 kids in a quasi-military style home, complete with a leather strap on the back of each of their bedroom doors to remind them that if they don't obey, the WACKER awaits them.

Hyper-controlling parents are exactly the kind of parents who buy into the abusive behavior mod schools.  They equate obedience with respect. Love must be earned, it is not freely given.

Sick and disgusting.

[Anonymous]

You said, love must be earned.  It is not freely given.  I am confused.  Who must earn the love, the teenager or the parent?

[OverLordd]

I think he mixed love and respect, respect must be earned, Love is freely given, otherwise its not love.

[Anonymous]

No, I meant what I said ... program parents equate obedience with respect (meaning if a kid is not obedient they are not being respectful when in truth, one can be defiant but still respectful).  What is adolescence if not a time for kids to test the boundaries?  Push the envelope?  Exert their independence?  It's called growing up.

As for love ... what I mean is program parents practice CONDITIONAL love ... which is why they see nothing wrong with kids having to earn the privilege of talking to their own parents once they are sent away.  The kid has to jump through hoops to be loved enough to come home.  Twisted but that's pretty much the gist of it.

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[Anonymous]

Shouldn't parents set the moral standard and rules for the home?  I agree that it is possible to disagree and not be disrespectful.  However, if I am to live in the home, I need to follow the rules of the house.  Just as when I stay in a hotel I must follow the rules of check in and check out, no smoking in the rooms etc...  If I don't like the rules of the hotel, I just don't stay there.  If I can't or won't abide by the rules of my parents I need to find another place to stay.

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On 2005-09-12 05:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Shouldn't parents set the moral standard and rules for the home?  I agree that it is possible to disagree and not be disrespectful.  However, if I am to live in the home, I need to follow the rules of the house.  Just as when I stay in a hotel I must follow the rules of check in and check out, no smoking in the rooms etc...  If I don't like the rules of the hotel, I just don't stay there.  If I can't or won't abide by the rules of my parents I need to find another place to stay."

This is the exapmle these parents are setting.  Why should they model this type of behavior and expect better from their lids?  It just doesn't make sense.  These parents are the CAUSE of the kds problems, not the solution.

On 2005-09-11 08:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I would worry about you being a parent, but I don't see much chance of that happening because no one would possibly ever be in a relationship with you. I suppose there is the horrible possibility that you could rape someone, but you probably don't leave your computer terminal long enough."
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The person who wrote this post should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. This is all the commentary one needs to understand the Struggling Parents that post here and the deep psychological problems they have.



This is shameful and disgusting."
 
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This is all you need to see to understand how the Struggling Turkeys operate. It couldn't be any clearer how low-down, dirty and shameless these folks really are.

It is of no surprise that their kids don't do well. Just look at the exmple set by the parent: If people don't do what you want them to, abuse, berate, belittle and humiliate them. But, under no circumstances, ever admit you're wrong or what you're doing is dreadful, just keep pointing the finger and hammering away.

In some cases, like with this parent, the kid is probably better off (however disgusting this sounds) being abused by strangers instead of this deeply disturbed parent. It hurts less.

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How do you expect such low-functioning people to set the example?

[OverLordd]

Smart Snitches do their thing off to the side and keep it quiet with the counselors. Then they take the rap with the rest of the group. Trust me it works, I have sadly seen it. Not in my group, I routinely told the snitches if they could not confront the perp in front of the group, then it called into question his credibility. Further, I sometimes called a huddle on the spot and asked the kid to tell the group what he just told me.

I hated snitches. Lack of courage that made me sick. However, for other counselors they always had their toadies, and moved them through the program quicker.

I would have to disagree here, look at it this way. A kid is out in the woods with basically what amounts to a bunch of psychotics. Who?s to say he won?t have an "Accident." If some one knows he told? I sure as hell would not want to say it in front of the person if he out weighs me and has discipline issues. When it comes down to it no one is going to protect the kid accept maybe you, because the other kids just want to get the hell out of the way, keep their heads down, and keep their privileges. Damn, the kid could get killed, you TSW, have admitted there was lots of violence in the programs.

[Antigen]

On 2005-09-12 05:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Shouldn't parents set the moral standard and rules for the home?"

Not only should we set the moral standards for our homes and kids, we're absolutely helpless not to. Watching your baby evolve into an adult is very like looking in a mirror some days. Some people just can't accept that the bad they perceive in their own kids is, almost always, a reflection of our own faults and poor habits. So blame the kid for acting just like you, beat some "sense" into them and call yourself a martyr. Yeah, that'll work!

Necessity is the excuse for every infringement of human freedom.  It is the argument of the tyrant and the creed of the slave.  
-- William Pitt, 1763

[P.E.N.1]

So, I'm pretty much assuming that no one has any encouraging words to share. Wasn't that the original subject? Oh well I'll figure out something to tell him, like run like hell...run forrest run!! Run to the hills! :em:

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-12 07:05:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Smart Snitches do their thing off to the side and keep it quiet with the counselors. Then they take the rap with the rest of the group. Trust me it works, I have sadly seen it. Not in my group, I routinely told the snitches if they could not confront the perp in front of the group, then it called into question his credibility. Further, I sometimes called a huddle on the spot and asked the kid to tell the group what he just told me.



I hated snitches. Lack of courage that made me sick. However, for other counselors they always had their toadies, and moved them through the program quicker.

I think that all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired.  I'm certainly not!  But I'm sick and tired of being told that I am!  
-- Monty Python

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Yeah, this is common. One reason why it's not such a good idea to make 'friends' while in a program, they'll turn on you in a second. Not everyone though, just be careful who your friends are and don't tell them everything, and especially nothing you don't want the facility to find out about. To the kids who do snitch, well, I think you are all fuckers-- but you have your own demons to deal with. Some of these programs pit the higher level students against the lower levels, it's disgusting.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-12 08:26:00, OverLordd wrote:

"I would have to disagree here, look at it this way. A kid is out in the woods with basically what amounts to a bunch of psychotics. Who?s to say he won?t have an "Accident." If some one knows he told? I sure as hell would not want to say it in front of the person if he out weighs me and has discipline issues. When it comes down to it no one is going to protect the kid accept maybe you, because the other kids just want to get the hell out of the way, keep their heads down, and keep their privileges. Damn, the kid could get killed, you TSW, have admitted there was lots of violence in the programs."

Are you joking OL? If you were afraid of an another student, then don't snitch on them... simple as that. If you can't see the moral implication of 'getting in good' with the facility by walking all over fellow students, well.. I wouldn't want you in my group, that's for sure. And you wouldn't want to run into me once we got out, either.  :em:

[Anonymous]

Explain then how parents can have two children that behave so very differently, even when very close in age.  If all they are doing is exhibiting the bad of the parents when they are rebellious why don't both children do that?  Could it be that one exhibits the good of the parents?  Hmmmm, seems it comes down to choices of the child.

[OverLordd]

I'm not defending snitching, im defending  the youths want to do it without seeing the person he is snitching on. Its understandable. Snitching is wrong, and i dont do it, nor should any one else do it, but if some one is going to do it, they are cowards, so treat them as such and dont get them hurt by the way you make them tell.