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The Seed Discussion Forum / found on the web
« on: January 03, 2002, 04:57:00 PM »
I found this post elsewhere on the web. Sounds pretty accurate all up to the last bit, which I do not believe to be true

"After years of abuse, some GULAG-survivors suffer the added pain of disbelief and denial from others when they try to talk about what has happened to them. After an early draft of An American Gulag was posted on the Internet, I received the following e-mail:

I've only just started reading [your book], and the tears stream down my face. I know I won't be able to swallow it all in one sitting, but do plan to return for more chapters as I am ready. I survived one of those "schools."

Sometimes, I don't know what to do. I've lived in this horrible, shameful fear for the last ten years, and no-one ever seems to believe me. They laugh in my face when I say the word "brainwashing."

I know you'll believe me, and I know you won't laugh. I just wanted to thank you for that, and for giving a voice to those of us that were denied one.

15. I ?Became? One of Them to Survive.

Some GULAG survivors take years before they can gain enough emotional distance to describe the abduction process. "D," who chose to remain anonymous, explained by email what happened after he was abducted twenty-five years ago.

I was abducted by The Seed in Miami Fla. when I was 15. My parents gave custody over to them, I was removed from school & turned into a 'good kid' & remained 'good' until I turned 18.

My parents friends had a daughter who I'd met once. She told them she "knew" I was on drugs & that The Seed could help me. I was using drugs but IMO [in my opinion] was not outta control. I had a part time job at the time that my dad used to drive me to. He told me one day that he had to pick up a couple people to drive up there.

He stopped at a house & picked up these two HUGE guys, & they both got into the back seat with me, one on either side, me in the middle. It was at that point that my dad told me there was a change of plans. They took me to a Blimp Hanger (Goodyear) where this Org. had been donated space. It had about 1000 kids in it on metal folding chairs. Boys on one side, girls on the other. They talked to us 12 hours a day, made us sit in these chairs the whole time, with no bathrooms.

They gave us PB&J & bug-juice (peanut butter and jelly and watered-down kool-aid) for breakfast, lunch & dinner. I was put into a foster-home with about 12 other boys. The foster-folks kept us up for more hours, talking to us. I ran away the 2nd day & was captured by the foster-folks, They grabbed me in a public place & nobody did nothin' to stop 'um. It was at this point that I became VERY untrusting of ANYBODY!

I acted very sorry for running, had my hair cut short that day & 'became' one of them to survive. I was allowed to go back to school after about 3 weeks. I was forbidden from speaking to my old friends except to say, "I love you, or The Seed loves you." I was watched very closely by everyone...there were about 16 other 'seedlings' in my school. We talked very little. It was impossible to confide in any of them because we didn't know who was a spy.

I "graduated" after 5 mos & 8 days. I stayed straight until I turned 18, then became an alcoholic. I kicked booze at 20 & started shooting drugs.., never did BEFORE the Seed! I kicked coke & heroin at 24. -- The Seed was closed down because the owner was busted for selling cocaine."

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / TC does not stand for tender-caring
« on: January 02, 2002, 10:35:00 AM »
Has anyone else seen this?

http://www.wftc.org/

Just how widespread has the TC modality come?
The freaden worldwide federation of Theraputic communites with branches thru out the world?
Arrrggghhh!

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The Seed Discussion Forum / THE SEED SUCKS
« on: December 28, 2001, 08:41:00 PM »
If you remember people yelling that at you as you rode down the road with your oldcomer watching your every move, wearing  a white seed tee shirt,Seed license plate up on the dash,  your hair parted on the side, a pack of smokes in your top pocket, and your eyes glazed over from lack of sleep,lack of food, and hour after hour of repetitive mind control practiced on your young mind, you have come to the right place.

In 1973, my father and step mother tricked my sister and I into the Seed St Pete and wham, we were thrust into a subculture experience that in retrospect, was truly bizzare.Never in my mind did I think that my family would be involved in a cult, and it took me years to even sort out that I was.

I eventually had to leave st pete and find sanity somewhere else, and my entire high school experience was ruined, my family shattered, and a deep divide between my father, my step family, and worst of all, my sister and I, existed for years.

I have long since healed my anger, but the memories of being 14 and being forced into a thought reform cult will never go away. I  spent a  part of my young adult life trying to understand what really happened there but it was too close personally and sometimes the confusion, shame and anger prevented me from really taking an objective look.  That is no longer true.

Most people whom went to the seed do not talk about it anymore unless it is in brief whispers, or in short pre thought out sound bites."The seed sucked"  "It was hard but I needed something" "I don't want to talk about that, it was a long time ago"

"I would be dead, crazy or in jail without it" and on and on. Ever stopped to challenge those thoughts? Ever wish you could speak to other people whom were there and remember the freaken insanity of the whole situation, or ever just wanted to really know what the hell it is they were doing there? was it all really just a random program, or did art Barker's "techniques" really come from somewhere else?

Well,  if you said yes, welcome, and lets get this party started.

 

















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THE SEED, THE SEED, THE SEED, THE SEED

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 SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, DRUG REHAB ST PETERSBURG DRUG REHAB ST PETERSBURG.

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SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, SEED, ART BARKER, ART BARKER,  ART BARKER,  
ART BARKER,  ART BARKER,  ART BARKER,  ART BARKER,  ART BARKER,  ART BARKER,  ART BARKER,  ART BARKER,
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art barker, art barker, art barker

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / the interview, whew its over
« on: December 01, 2001, 03:31:04 PM »
the interview, whew its over
Thank you for everyone whom participated.

It was long, grueling at times, but I think well worth the time and effort.


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Thursday 8:00 pm, new time, same story
« on: December 01, 2001, 02:24:58 PM »
Thursday 8:00 pm, new time, same story
The interview has been rescheduled for tomorrow night at 8:00 pm.  You must have aol instant messenger (which is free and takes about 5 minutes to set up)to participate.

If you are interested, email me back, or contact ginger.


My apologies for all that were inconvienced Monday night by the cancellation.  


See you there.


Ps  The Seed still sucks, and  the folks playing name games at AARC can kiss my ass.  aarc is a blantant descendent of Seed/straight, and no sugar coating can change that.


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Tonights interview-rescheduled
« on: December 01, 2001, 10:15:50 PM »
Tonights interview-rescheduled
The interview tonight got cancelled due to sceduling problems, we are resheduling soon. Hope no one was too inconvenienced by this.

Hopefully, it will be worth the wait

Greg.


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Tommorrow night, the interview
« on: December 02, 2001, 12:07:47 AM »
Tommorrow night, the interview
anyone else interested in participating, it is not too late. There is room for 4 or 5 more people. Contact me or Ginger before 8:30 tommorow night.  Don't know what I am talking about? Look thru my prior posts for the last week.

Greg B.

Rocky93@gate.net


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / poppa says LETS ROLL
« on: December 01, 2001, 05:54:39 PM »
He is looking forward to it. I am shooting for thursday night at my house. Tonight is the trial run, but i gotta do it later, around 9:30 after I get my daughter to bed.

my issues will be discussed tonight, and I want absolute prior approval of whom will be in on the discussion. I am also going to control the direction of this thing in order to protect my father. Absolutely no questions like " how could you"  or "didn't you realize you were raping minds", or any such type of thing.

The direction of this is going to be historical facts, procedural decisions, involvement of individuals, etc.  I will be asking the first several questions pertaining to the seed, we will move off of that onto the straight, and then open forum. Keep in mind the following:

1) He knows nothing of kids, safe, aaarc, or subsequent programs. His area of expertise will be with the Seed and the straight.

2) He lost contact with the whole thing somewhere around 1981, 1982 and only knows a little of what it became

3) He is an old man and he may not be johnny on the spot with some of the answers. However, he has a very acute memory and was on the "Inside" at both the seed St Pete and the straight.

So far, I would very much appreciate Ginger, Ken, Wes, Kathy, Scott involved.  Anyone else interested, email me or answer here. Sorry, but only a limited number of people will be allowed to participate, and I really want people I know and people whom have an understanding of the history of The program. Ginger, Where is Wes? Does he know about this?

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / "The Interview"
« on: December 01, 2001, 11:01:05 PM »
"The Interview"
Hello everyone. Sorry  about my long absence. I have been very busy with my personal life and my business.


Anyway, I had an idea the other day and need feedback.  For those of you whom know, I was in the Seed in 1973, and my father and his "friends" started the straight out of the ashes of the failed St Pete Seed.  His "friends" included Ray Waymire, Mel & Betty Sembler (btw, they were my stepbrothers Oldcomers), Helen Peterman, and the rest.The straight was going to be the new kinder gentler Seed.My dad recently told me the Straight was not Mel's idea, but another of the board members.  My father is perhaps the last living hope of getting the real story behind the story,


My father is now in his late 70s. I have talked to him recently about this, and while not squarely in our camp, he nevertheless understands what we are doing.


I am thinking about approaching him for an interview,and am considering an "open forum" discussion interview, perhaps right here on this site. Wes, Ginger, Kathy, Ken, are you listening? Imagine, my father logged on sitting beside me, and taking open questions on this board?


Is it possible?  if so, lets do it.  I believe I can make it happen, and I am up to it emotionally and otherwise.

Comments  please.


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