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The Troubled Teen Industry / TEEN TRACKING
« on: October 13, 2005, 01:22:00 PM »
Im gonna give my pals at Halliburton a call and see if they can hook me up with some night vision goggles and my own black helicopter. Full-on ninja-wear 24/7. Keep those teens in line. Fuck, keep everyone in line. Peace, the old-fashioned way!

The Troubled Teen Industry / TEEN TRACKING
« on: October 13, 2005, 10:18:00 AM »
On 2005-10-12 15:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This is great!  This maybe would have kept our teen from ending up in a program.  We would have know what he was doing months earlier and could have possibly dealt with it before things got so bad.  I wonder if parents get a reduction in insurance rates for their teen driver if the device is installed."

These "fleet management tools" have been around for  10-15 years already, but have been cost-prohibitive until recently. Same with GPS units that people use on camping trips.
Ah yes, the yin and yang of technology... If I had a fleet of company vehicles to manage, I'd probably install the units... would I put one on my own car to track my kid? That would be a resounding NO that you just heard. I mean hell no! If your relationship with your teen is based on lies and deception then why enforce it with more lies and deception? Deal with the issues at hand instead of compounding them. Shit, get rid of your cars, get a bicycle and get some damn exercise. Gas is too expensive, the air is too dirty and people are too fat and lazy.

And now Im done with my morning rant, I have to go for a walk.

The Troubled Teen Industry / To ALL program supporters
« on: October 08, 2005, 09:08:00 PM »
On 2005-10-05 20:58:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Rule 1 you really want to know Rule 1?

Allright pussheads listen up Rule 1 is....

Whatever Mr. TSW feels like it needs to be today.

Men had better be without education than be educated by their rulers.
--Thomas Hodgskin, 1823


You are such a BAMF. Im done with my 16 hour workdays.  Drop a line when you get a chance.

« on: September 07, 2005, 03:49:00 AM »
You might get a better turnout if you didnt post as anon. Your questions are also asking for subjective answers which makes for survey responses that are a pain in the butt to read. You might consider asking your questions so that the responses are measurable. Scales of 1 through 5 measuring bad to good are common. You also might ask for some input from those that you are planning on presenting your data to.

I too dont agree with removing children en masse from the family home. I do feel that there can be some benefits found in removing a child from an unsafe home environment. As with everything, there are exceptions. I have had friends that have had to live with the knowledge that their mother had wished they had never been born. And Ive had numerous students that have told me the same thing. What kind of parent looks a child in the eye and tells them they wish they had never gotten pregnant???? Is home a good, safe place for that child? Through history there have been children raised by others, I think the apprentice system was set up like that. When your parents couldnt afford another mouth to feed you were sent off and raised by someone else. You worked for your food but you had a place. I dont necessarily agree with any of these practices, but any of these might be better than the situation the child is in.... Just a mile a way from my home - in an affluent part of St. Paul, Minnesota the cops found a dog kennel in the basement where the parents would lock up their daughter when she was misbehaving.... this childs parents are nutbags and shouldnt be allowed to raise their kids. They are better off in someone elses hands.

Brat Camp / Farewell to the sadistic pleasures of Brat Camp
« on: September 01, 2005, 02:18:00 PM »
On 2005-08-30 08:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Every reality show's participants sign releases before being filmed. These kids knew where they were going and what was going to happen. Reality shows are staged and it only appears that they go through the jungle wilderness and almost get killed (for example: survivor series). How do you know there wasn't a Mickey D's down the mountain and a Motel 6 to stay in every night? Some people are SOOOOO gullible  :silly: "

Have you been a participant or crewed on a program? I didnt think so. Paricipants sign releases - but those releases dont tell the partcipant whats going to happen to them. The release is about allowing the producer to use the image of the participant for advertising and to use footage of the participant in the body of the program. Is there fast food and a bed near by? Might be a helicopter ride away for the crew. Or not. Depending on how much the shoot, the crew might be camped just over the hill or they might drive twenty miles into town to shower, sleep and eat.

You dont see a lot of staged stuff in this genre of programming because staging and multiple shoots cuts too deep into the budget.


On 2005-08-31 10:15:00, jellybean wrote:

"I do recall seeing that someone on the staff was affiliated with SUWS.  I am wondering what they meant by a big joke.  I did notice that it is not a punitive style school where contact is limited and such, but hopefully that doesn't mean something bad.  This is a stressful process for a parent to research these schools and I have found some bad info on a lot of them such as Diamond Ranch (ouch)!  I haven't been able to find anything adverse on this school and was referred to your site for help.

Shortbus quote: The feedback I got from the parents filtered through the theraputic staff that recommended the program was that "the parents thought the school was a joke". The circumstances behind the referral was that the family suggested that their son go to a theraputic boarding school after wilderness, the son figured that to succeed at school and graduate instead of just getting a ged might not be a bad idea. So son agreed to boarding school. The son was adamant about having a say in WHERE he would go. I suggested that he be given a couple days of internet access to do some research. This suggestion was not considered and his therapist at my wilderness program gave him information about one program - Wisdom Ranch. I felt that one choice wasnt really a choice. I again suggested engaging the sudent at a higher level and let him help decide where he wanted to go. One choice was all that was presented. His mother picked him up in New Mexico and flew with him to Idaho and met the father and the three of them visited Wisdom Ranch together. The school is located in eastern Idaho not far from some pretty desolate areas. Rediculously different than the images conjured up when someone mentions Sun Valley (I think their site mentions Sun Valley) - which is kind of close but not really. From what you post and what I know about SUWS from working there, there are some aspects of the program at Wisdom Ranch that might be beneficial. If possible always visit a program and listen to both the good and the bad whenever possible. You need to hear what works and what doesnt to help make an objective decision about what might benefit your son. I read  you post and it brought up many sad memories. Its devastating for a child to lose a parent. I had a number of students that had and the loss they felt was beyond words for me. I know how I fell just trying to imagine their pain.

I wish that some of you anon posters would show a little empathy. I believe jellybean is doing the best she can so lay off the shit. Try puting yourself in someone elses shoes for a change.

[ This Message was edited by: Shortbus on 2005-09-01 05:12 ][ This Message was edited by: Shortbus on 2005-09-01 05:20 ]

I think it was started by an ex-SUWS instrucor. It is relatively close to Gooding, Idaho where SUWS is located. I also had a student referred there by an EC. He and his parents flew there, his dad thought it was a big joke and the student didnt enroll there. Dont know much more than that - just the same stuff youd see on their web site.

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Stinky Intake
« on: August 28, 2005, 08:31:00 AM »
Have you thought about mixing things up a bit and using your left hand? Or sitting on your right hand long enough for it to fall asleep?

I couldnt help myself. My bad.

the lste one was mine

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Stinky Intake
« on: August 27, 2005, 05:50:00 PM »
cool. thanks. that rocked.

Brat Camp / Typical Day at Sagewalk
« on: August 27, 2005, 05:12:00 PM »
Like I said before - just throwing out the white flag and asking for a little help... whatever happened burned you pretty bad. But youre just another person on a bulletin board, I dont have a pressing desire to understand if you have no intention of meeting me halfway, or at the very least taking a couple steps in my direction.[ This Message was edited by: Shortbus on 2005-08-27 15:04 ]

Brat Camp / Typical Day at Sagewalk
« on: August 27, 2005, 05:04:00 PM »
So Deborah, is this true or is anon making things up?

Brat Camp / Typical Day at Sagewalk
« on: August 27, 2005, 04:58:00 PM »
what was her login at ST?

Brat Camp / Typical Day at Sagewalk
« on: August 27, 2005, 04:34:00 PM »
Im waving a white flag at you and youre just pain in the butt. Apparently you have no interest in clearing up the misunderstanding. Just throw me a bone and while youre at it could you answer the questions I asked in my last post?

Its never too late to procrastinate[ This Message was edited by: Shortbus on 2005-08-27 13:35 ]

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