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Title: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: dragonfly on August 26, 2011, 10:13:30 AM
Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: dragonfly on August 26, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: Froderik on August 26, 2011, 10:35:57 AM
I don't know if what I am about to say has already been touched on (or maybe I am being "Captain Obvious" here), but I thought it worth mentioning: After WWII, the US hired a lot of the same German scientists who developed the nerve gasses used in the concentration camps. It makes me wonder what other 'scientists' they may have hired...
Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: dragonfly on August 26, 2011, 10:38:07 AM
Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: dragonfly on August 26, 2011, 10:42:38 AM
Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: Froderik on August 26, 2011, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
Finally, there is the largest circle of individuals, students, clinicians et al., who get caught in "behaviorism" or "biological psychiatry" because there is nothing else being financially supported.

We insist, however, that any person committing, collaborating or giving any justification whatsoever to coercive psychology is guilty of Crimes Against Humanity as outlined in the Nuremburg Principles. There is no neutrality on this issue; neutrality is guilt under the Nuremburg Principles.

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Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: dragonfly on August 28, 2011, 04:38:08 PM
Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: dragonfly on August 28, 2011, 04:57:09 PM
Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: Awake on October 09, 2011, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: "dragonfly"
just one tiny bit taken from http://www.campaigner-unbound.0catch.co ... cience.htm (http://www.campaigner-unbound.0catch.com/coercive_psychology_capitalisms_monster_science.htm)

this is a pretty great article from 1974, lot's of history, I'm assuming Ursus, you've read this cause it's alot of what you've mentioned....


3. The "Attack Therapies"

The so-called "humantstic therapies - sensitivity training sessions, transactional analysis, Primal Therapy, etc. - are at the very core of coercive psychology. It is such anti-Freudian introspective psychologies that have provided the brainwasher with the "psychodynamic insights" of neurosis, and the know-how to further pervert this neurosis into a controlling - even programming - force. These so-called "humanists" are the real experts in exploiting and in channeling the sickness of bourgeois ideology.

The anti-behaviorists - mainly Freudians and Gestaltists - who were a dominant force through the early 1930's trickled down to a mere handful by the

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1940's. Some defected to the overt enemy's camp, behaviorism; some sunk into eclecticism; and a large number lit on any "humanistic" fad or gimmick that appeared. The latter crew, epitomized by R.D. Laing, have now become even more "Pavlovian" than Pavlov. Laing, who comes straight out of the Tavistock Clinic, views the state of madness as a positive act of liberation.

His Kingsley Hall, a supposed therapeutic community in London, is an actual "house of madness." One Kingsley Hall resident, Mary Barnes, regressed to the point of completely smearing herself and her physical surroundings with her own feces. The therapy involved? The therapist sits back and, like the friendly aide to someone on LSD, guides the patient's "journey to madness."

The central thrust of Laing and his cohorts is to worm in on the infantile ego by taking the protective persona and chipping or in some cases axing it away. Without a revolutionary alternative, i.e. a self-conscious identity, the persona-stripped individual has two choices: either return to the infantile ego state, developing an even more armoured persona or a pseudo-identity persona, or commit suicide.


I donít know about La rouche, but I believe this article by Carol Menzel is pretty on point.  The facts are in line. Being in CEDU, I see several glaring relationships he makes, especially concerning humanistic, primal, transactional analysis, laing, etc., used in a thought reform setting.  This is a traceable, interconnected history start to finish.


Great part of the article to quote concerning the humanistic approaches, and I agree with his analysis of how these can be very coercive, and able to produce neurosis as a programming force, even going undetected by the subject.
Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: N.O.S.O.B. on October 09, 2011, 07:43:19 PM
Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: ajax13 on October 10, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
"In the summer of 1973, LaRouche began sessions of what he called "ego-stripping." He suggested this would cure his followers of the cowardice and bourgeois moral qualms they had displayed during Mop Up. The big problem with most NCLC members, he said, was their psychosexual fears. LaRouche proposed to use fear to fight fear:

"I am going to make you organizersóby taking your bedrooms away from you . . ." he announced. "What I shall do is to expose to you the cruel fact of your sexual impotence . . . I will take away from you all hope that you can flee the terrors of politics to the safety of 'personal life.' I shall do this by showing to you that your frightened personal sexual life contains for you such terrors as the outside world could never offer you. I will thus destroy your rabbit-holes, mental as well as physical. I shall destroy your sense of safety in the place to which you ordinarily imagine you can flee. I shall not pull you back from fleeing, but rather destroy the place to which you would attempt to flee."

The ego-stripping sessions were similar to the confrontational therapy practiced by psychological cults. LaRouche would pick an NCLC member at random, or perhaps one who had failed at some political assignment. The group would heap nonstop attacks on every aspect of the victim's behavior. Supposedly it was a sign of psychic liberation if he or she broke down and started sobbing hysterically. LaRouche said this was the way in which the individual "abruptly 'breaks free' as if from a drugged state; a sudden personality change occurs, in which the group sees the real person come forth, assume control of himself, or herself, and bring the ego-state under control." Thus ego-stripping was "an act of social love."
http://lyndonlarouche.org/fascism4.htm (http://lyndonlarouche.org/fascism4.htm)
Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: N.O.S.O.B. on October 11, 2011, 09:35:41 PM
Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
Post by: ajax13 on October 13, 2011, 08:01:11 PM
Thought reform has appeal to all kinds of people.  It's like ice cream.
Title: Re: Carol Menzel "Coercive Psychology, 1974"
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