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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Facility Question and Answers => Topic started by: Che Gookin on November 26, 2007, 06:11:12 PM

Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on November 26, 2007, 06:11:12 PM
Yo Homies.. Give me the 411 about this duckfarm!

1) Is this a single facility or multiple facilities under the same name?

2) Who owns it?

3) When did it open?

4) Where is it located?

5) When did you attend?
Title: The History of the Roloff Shitpits
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 27, 2007, 12:15:09 AM
The names of the Roloff homes that I can definitely connect to Roloff Evangelistic Enterprises are as follows:
Bethesda Home (Girls), Rebekah Home (Girls), Redemption Ranch (Boys), Anchor Home (Boys), Ruth Home of Compassion (Girls), Lighthouse (16-24 young men), Lighthouse Intercoastal (16-24 young men), Jubalee (17 and up women), City of Refuge (Older Men), New Beginnings (Pace,FL), New Beginnings (MO), Happiness Hills (Girls), Mt. Park, VCA  there are at least 5 more homes currently in operation that I have not been able to get the names of.  

Roloff Homes were started in the late 50's by Lester Roloff and originally were of no cost to the parents of the children housed there.  Bethesda and Rebekah were used not only as girls homes, but as maternity homes, and the babies were taken from these girls and sold for generous "Love Messages" to Roloff supporters.  The only way a girl was allowed to keep her child was if the child was of mixed race.  

The first time Roloff got in trouble with the state of Texas was in 1971 when the Department of Public Welfare sent him a letter demanding that the enterprises either have the Rebekah and Anchor homes licensed, which meant conforming to the department's largely secular regulations, or close them down. Roloff and his associates staunchly opposed the agency's order, considering it a clear case of breach of church-state separation. The controversy resulted in charges of neglect and brutality, attacks by the Corpus Christi Caller-Timesqv and other Texas newspapers, weeks and months of counseling with attorneys, appearances in court, and numerous meetings with officials in Austin. Through it all, Roloff and his supporters stood firm in his belief that "love never overrides conviction," and many young lives continued to be salvaged through the Rebekah and Anchor Homes. Finally, Roloff reluctantly allowed the homes to be closed temporarily in October 1973, but on February 12, 1974, he allowed himself to be incarcerated for five days in the Nueces County Jail, where he had often preached to prisoners, in a successful move to reopen the homes. Finally, Roloff was granted a temporary reprieve in May, when the Texas Supreme Court ruled in his favor. With the passage of the Texas Child Care and Licensing Act in 1975, however, the conflict surfaced anew. This legislative bill, which many believed had been aimed specifically at Roloff Enterprises, became law in January 1976. It stated that children under eighteen must be placed in child-care facilities licensed by the DHS. Roloff and his supporters again refused to back down, and despite favorable reports on the facilities by Attorney General John Hill and state welfare inspectors, the DHS served a restraining order in May 1976. On June 21 Roloff again went to jail, again for five days, in an effort to keep the homes open. Then in October, the homes were again shut down and many of their residents taken by police to the Texas Youth Prison and other state juvenile facilities. But public support for Roloff Enterprises continued to grow, and the homes were opened throughout most of 1977 and 1978. On November 1, 1977, Roloff and his associates staged a patriotic rally in Dallas called "Save Our Nation," which was attended by over 10,000 people, including 1,500 preachers. Acting on the advice of Hill and other attorneys, Roloff took his case to the United States Supreme Court, which upheld the Texas law on October 2, 1978. Again, the state ordered Roloff to shut down the homes unless he submitted to a DHS license in June 1979. Rather than allow the young residents to be taken to state facilities, Roloff had them sent to the ministry's homes in Georgia and Mississippi. As part of that move, he and his supporters staged a protest rally on the grounds of the People's Baptist Church, attended by many prominent evangelists and concerned laypeople from across the nation, including Vietnam veteran Clebe McClary. This event became known as the "Christian Alamo." At that time Roloff Enterprises transferred ownership and operation of the homes and property to the People's Church, a move that enabled the homes to be opened once more in September. Although state officials continued to harass Roloff, prompting court appearances in Corpus Christi, Laredo, and Austin, thousands of troubled youth were again ministered to in the Rebekah and Anchor Homes.

In 1982 the plane Roloff flew crashed killing him and the four girls from Rebekah Home onboard.  Wiley Cameron took over as Pastor of the Peoples Baptist Church and overseer of all the homes and properties.  In 1985 once again the homes were closed down by the DHS and we (yes, I was there at this point) were bussed out in the middle of the night to Belton, Missouri.  The homes in Texas remained closed until 1999 when TACCCA gave the homes accredidation as Christian Schools.

In 2001 the Texas homes were closed down and Pastor Wiley Cameron Sr.'s wife was told she could never work with children in the state of Texas again because of abuse.  

I will tell you more later, but I have to quit now, I just found 4 more names of homes with varified connections on ISAC.

http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/texas2.htm (http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/texas2.htm)
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/texas3.htm (http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/texas3.htm)
http://www.tfn.org/religiousfreedom/faithbased/roloff/ (http://www.tfn.org/religiousfreedom/faithbased/roloff/)
http://www.isaccorp.org/vca/lester-roloff.11.17.02.html (http://www.isaccorp.org/vca/lester-roloff.11.17.02.html)
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2007, 12:45:58 AM
I think an important question TSW didn't directly ask is if there are any Roloff-connected shitpits left in existence.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on November 27, 2007, 01:00:07 AM
Good question... Are there any of the Roloff Facilities left in existence?

Did the facilities in general have the same common model of treatment/mistreament?
Title: Roloff Still going Strong
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 27, 2007, 01:13:57 AM
Yes, Unfortunately there are at least 9 still in existance.  One of which is a maternity home that does not allow the girls to keep their babies.  It is located in Tennessee, but I do not have the name.  It is connected to the VCA home which is also up and running, but maternity home does not go by VCA.  New Beginnings in Missouri is still running.  Happiness Hills is still operating, there are two girls homes and a boys home in North Carolina that I dont have the names of.  Mt. Park is still open, along with Palm Lane, Agape, and Bethel Academy.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on November 27, 2007, 01:25:28 AM
In that case let me revise my question:

Do the facilities utilize a common methodology of treatment/mistreatment?
Title: treatment/mistreatment
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 27, 2007, 02:08:48 AM
The old ones all did, I do not know about some of the newer ones, but I would venture to say they still do.  They are based on what they call biblical dicipline, what they really mean is that they believe in the scripture that says, "spare the rod, spoil the child."  They believe in breaking the childs spirit, but not to build it back up, to create a mindless zombie that will follow the rules of the fundamental Baptist belief system without question.  Roloff was a God to the people who ran and are still running these homes.  When you first come in to the program if they find out you have been abused or molested they tell you it is completely your fault and to never speak of it again.  Newcomers are threatened with paddlings known as licks for offenses such as crying.  They keep a very strict schedule, and at least an hour each day is spent quoting the same 27 chapters of the King James version of the bible aloud (chanting), I still can quote them from memory 21 years later.  Licks are a multiple times a week occurance for most.  Other forms of punishment include kneeling for hours at a time (sometimes on salt or with a pencil under each knee), sitting on the wall (stress position), holding bible straight out to your sides two or three in each hand, confinement (having to walk around with your head down and raise your hand and be given permission to speak), and lockup (isolation).  They have also been known to withhold food, but I am not sure this is a punishment, because the food was horrible.  During the time I was there we had a diabetic girl go into shock and nearly die.  One staff member with a conscience snuck her out to the hospital.  We were not allowed medical treatment of any kind.  Contact with parents was not allowed for first month, then consisted of letters which were read coming and going, and permanent marker was used to black out anything deemed inappropriate.  One 2 day visit at 6 months in program, and another when you reached 1 year.  Phonecalls once per month that were monitored and disconnected if deemed inappropriate.  You were taught to stand and give your testiphony on demand or face punishment for rebelliousness.  No music was allowed, no books except for the bible, no tv, no makeup, no pants on girls, no haircuts or jewelry on girls.  Fat girls were not fed, anorexic girls were force fed.  Girls were forced to do things like brush their teeth for hours as a punishment for asking more than once for a new toothbrush.  Then there were the flat out beatings if the dorm parents found you rebellious.  I don't know if this is what you were looking for, I am sorry it got away from me.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on November 27, 2007, 05:08:58 PM
Did they ever use extended prayer sessions as a punishment?
Title: Prayer Sessions
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 27, 2007, 05:21:01 PM
If you were unfortunate enough to be placed in lockup, the dorm father would come up every evening with paddle in hand, and pray with you for a long time, if you were found to be repentent enough, you were let out, if not you were given 20+ licks, left a peanut butter on bread sandwich and remained in lockup to reflect for another day.  This could go on for weeks.  A board with holes in it used on a person everyday for weeks will leave your rearend looking more like hamburger than a human butt.  If you were dumb enough to dodge a few licks, the paddle was brandished more like a bat, and you ended up with more severe injuries.
Title: Personal Experience
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 27, 2007, 05:28:59 PM
I want to clarify, I now have a list of 20 Roloff related facilities, and I was only in one of these various homes, so cannot really speak for all, but I belong to groups for survivors of several of them and most of the stories are the same.  I speak of the lockup experience as well as other punishments from personal experience.  I understand there are people who were in the homes that do not believe, feel, or remember things the same way that I do, but I am also well aware of the brainwashing that took place even during our sleep, and am not suprised that some have come out with much different stories.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on November 27, 2007, 07:38:46 PM
I'm getting the point in general that Roloff's is a sadistic  den of torture. meh..

Ok let's break this down by specific facilities and get the ball rolling..

Can someone post a list of facility names for the Roloff's? I'm sure you mentioned them all but my brain is tofu at the moment.
Title: Roloff and Roloff Related Homes
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 27, 2007, 10:05:27 PM
1. Bethesda (Girls)
2. Redemption Ranch (Boys)
3. Rebekah (Girls)
4. Anchor (Boys)
5. Ruth Home of Compassion (Girls)
6. Lighthouse (young men)
7. Lighthouse Intercoastal (young men and boys)
8. Zapata
9. Jubilee (young women)
10. City of Refuge (men)
11. Mt. Park (Boys)
12. Palm Lane (Girls)
13. Happiness Hills
14. Bethel Boys Academy
15. Bethel Girls Academy
16. Agape Boarding School
17. New Beginnings Pace, FL (Girls)
18. New Beginnings MO (Girls)
19. VCA (Girls)
20. Thanks to Calvary Boarding School (Seperate Dorms for Boys and Girls?)



There are others, I am sorry I don't have the full list, but I find new ones all the time.  I know of four more that I have basic locations for, but no names.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: hurrikayne on November 27, 2007, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Yo Homies.. Give me the 411 about this duckfarm!

1) Is this a single facility or multiple facilities under the same name?

2) Who owns it?

3) When did it open?

4) Where is it located?

5) When did you attend?


Lorrie's done a hell of a job explaining so much already.  

1 - 4. Multiple, as described in prior posts...

5.  I attended the People's Baptist Church Christian School from September 1987 to May 1988.  Initially I went to live on the farm compound in the Corpus area with 5 other girls.  We had an older couple who were in charge of us.  Rebekah was shutdown by the state of Texas at the time, and the girls who had been in Rebekah at the time had been secreted of to Bethesda in Missouri.
Title: Roloff's
Post by: hurrikayne on November 27, 2007, 11:01:02 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Good question... Are there any of the Roloff Facilities left in existence?

Did the facilities in general have the same common model of treatment/mistreament?


I later was caught sneaking out and ultimately ended up in Jubilee.  Like Lorrie, I have other acquaintances who have been in the various programs of the Roloff regime at varying times, the model of treatment/mistreatment is VERY similar.
Title: Bethesda
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 27, 2007, 11:06:32 PM
The Bethesda home in Mississippi at one time was closed and moved to Florida, I am not sure when that happened, but I think it was about the same time us Rebekah Girls were moved to Belton Missouri.  I am kind of confused about the dates.  I know we were moved right after Christmas 1985.  All the homes were under siege by health and welfare, but they missed over and over.
Title: Roloff's - punishment
Post by: hurrikayne on November 27, 2007, 11:25:41 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Did they ever use extended prayer sessions as a punishment?



Every morning and every evening we had the pleasure of listening to an hour of the very deceased Lester Roloff preach.  This was the only media we got.  No television, radio or newspaper.  Every Saturday night, we had to walk to the church at some wee hour of the morning and pray for an hour plus, then walk back to our trailer and get up early for church Sunday morning, I recall that as being really miserable.  Once, after several of us had snuck out, Mrs. Cameron realized we were all asleep and started pounding on the piano to wake us up.  Hehehee.

I don't remember much else from the farm, as far as punishment, although I did get licks once right before a friend went home.  She was packing and I fell asleep in her bed while she was doing so.

Jubilee, however was another animal.  If you broke any number of ludicrous rules, a speck of something on the carpet, stepping foot into someone elses room (regardless of whether the other people said it was okay), looking around before church started, speaking to anyone NOT in the program you were in, etc...  your "punishment" was first to run a specific number of laps, and second to write down a scripture 100 times.  The meaner staff chose LONG verses.  Sometimes you got to scrub floors with a toothbrush, for HOURS and still had to get up the next morning and function normally.  Oh joy.  I know we had Bible study as well, in the evenings, mass recitation of scriptures etc...

Lock up...ah..the memories.  I know I was in lockup for a week the first time...don't remember how long the second time.  Lock up was a room with a blue mat.  That's it.  No pillow, no sheets, nada.  You laid in a room all day.  I don't recall many bathroom breaks, and I do recall not getting a shower.  We had sermons blasted at us all day long.  Possibly all night.  Can't remember.
Title: Another one
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 27, 2007, 11:32:28 PM
21. Reclaimation Ranch
Title: Roloff's - sadistic den of torture
Post by: hurrikayne on November 27, 2007, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
I'm getting the point in general that Roloff's is a sadistic  den of torture.


No brother Gookin, it was not a sadistic den of torture, it was 'good Christian enlightenment.'  Which explains why I attempted to run away from the facility, succeeded in running away from home shortly after my 18th b-day.  And, upon my foray into the free world I then experimented with drugs, alcohol, sex and rock & roll, baby.  Yeah, it was a great experience.  OH YEAH, and the diploma I received isn't worth wiping my ass with.  FABULOUS place, great teachings.
Title: How Long Did It Take You To Realize
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 27, 2007, 11:37:21 PM
Hey Hurikayne,
How long did it take you to realize your diploma was worth less than the paper it was printed on?  I found out because I failed to get a job due to a background check because they could not varify my diploma.
Title: Re: How Long Did It Take You To Realize
Post by: hurrikayne on November 27, 2007, 11:56:12 PM
Quote from: ""lorrispickelmire""
Hey Hurikayne,
How long did it take you to realize your diploma was worth less than the paper it was printed on?


I had no problems attending college in New Mexico or California, it was Illinois that pinpointed some 'issues'...so when some of the gang from RollofAlumni started to discuss it, I finally put two & two together...this has been in the last couple of years.  I've been fortunate enough to never have been denied a job over it, however, if I want to pursue a career in a more professional environment, looks like I'll have to get a GED.  Go fucking figure.
Title: GED
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 28, 2007, 05:17:12 PM
I bit the bullet and went and got mine last year.   Oh, by the way regarding names of the homes.

22. Farmers Christian Academy Girls Home
23. Dye's Home for Girls
24. Palmers Home for Girls
Title: Re: Roloff's - sadistic den of torture
Post by: Che Gookin on November 28, 2007, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: ""hurrikayne""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
I'm getting the point in general that Roloff's is a sadistic  den of torture.

No brother Gookin, it was not a sadistic den of torture, it was 'good Christian enlightenment.'  Which explains why I attempted to run away from the facility, succeeded in running away from home shortly after my 18th b-day.  And, upon my foray into the free world I then experimented with drugs, alcohol, sex and rock & roll, baby.  Yeah, it was a great experience.  OH YEAH, and the diploma I received isn't worth wiping my ass with.  FABULOUS place, great teachings.


I digress then.. It is a good christian place that puts the love of Jesus right up your puckered arse.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on November 28, 2007, 11:40:53 PM
I wanted to start individual threads but I really am not seeing much in the way of actual differences between the facilities in terms of how they are run. If we need to break down the Roloff group by individual facilities we can later, but for right now I think this is working good.

Perhaps all involved here can give specific accounts of events that they feel comfortable sharing?
Title: Sharing stories
Post by: hurrikayne on November 28, 2007, 11:51:33 PM
Ooooooh, I remember this one time, at crazy zealot fundamentalist Baptist camp...

When we snuck out, the fog was soooooooooo thick that people walking to the church for their prayer session in the wee hours of Saturday night couldn't see us, and we were less than 2 feet away.  Now THAT my friend was cool.   8-)

What did we do when we snuck out?  Hung out in an abandoned trailer and listened to the radio *gasp* worldy music, smoked a few cigarettes and a couple girls smooched on the two farm brats we snuck out to meet.  JEZEBELS!!!!  Oh we were so rebelious.  *Eyes rolling*
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on November 28, 2007, 11:55:07 PM
*harlots*
Title: Re: Roloff's - sadistic den of torture
Post by: hurrikayne on November 28, 2007, 11:57:41 PM
[/quote]I digress then.. It is a good christian place that puts the love of Jesus right up your puckered arse.[/quote]

Occasionally I forget that the written exchange lacks the dripping sounds of sarcasm you'd hear if I were speaking the same sentence.  Try to imagine it while you read 95% of my posts, it's a trademark.  

By the by, I learned soooo much more about misbehavior from my Roloff 'experience' than I ever would have had I stayed in school at my tiny hick (heathen) public school.  Which is probably why my poor sister wound up getting home schooled.  Poor kid.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on November 29, 2007, 12:13:35 AM
So what kind of relationship does Lester "the Molestor" Rolloff have with the state authorities in the states his Schools squat in?
Title: Support From States
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 29, 2007, 01:59:39 AM
I wont go into why they always run to Missouri, that would be redundant.  Missouri is a state that makes a living of the blood of American teens.  Lets go to Texas first, because that is where it all started.  This is going to be a long post with lots of links to back up what I say, so for anyone out there who is a true Roloffian, cover your eyes and skip my post.  Oh yeah, before I continue, that sarcasm thing Hurikayne was talking about; I've got it in spades!!!!!!!!!!!  

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/onl ... froar.html (http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/RR/froar.html)

Roloff was a very well connected man.  "In 1944 he started his radio program (Family Altar) later the broadcast was moved to KWBU, in Waco, TX.  In the 50's he was in high demand as a revival preacher, in 1955 he started a very successful newsletter called "Faith Enterprise", in 1956 he opened his first home "City of Refuge" a home for men and boys.  In 1958  he opened Lighthouse Intercoastal on the Gulf Intracoastal Waterway reachable only by boat or plane.  In 1968 the "Rebekah Home for Girls" was started in Corpus Christi, TX."

"In 1969 he purchased a 600 acre farm south of Corpus Christi, TX where he established the Peoples Baptist Church and built Dormitories for the Rebekah Home, as well as new facilities for City of Refuge, Lighthouse, and Jubilee home for women.  A branch home for the Rebekah ministries was built in Hattiesburg, MS."

"1971, when the Texas Department of Public Welfare (later the Texas Department of Human Servicesqv) sent him a letter demanding that the enterprises either have the Rebekah and Anchor homes licensed, which meant conforming to the department's largely secular regulations, or close them down. Roloff and his associates staunchly opposed the agency's order, considering it a clear case of breach of church-state separation. The controversy resulted in charges of neglect and brutality, attacks by the Corpus Christi Caller-Timesqv and other Texas newspapers, weeks and months of counseling with attorneys, appearances in court, and numerous meetings with officials in Austin."

"Finally, Roloff reluctantly allowed the homes to be closed temporarily in October 1973, but on February 12, 1974, he allowed himself to be incarcerated for five days in the Nueces County Jail, where he had often preached to prisoners, in a successful move to reopen the homes. Finally, Roloff was granted a temporary reprieve in May, when the Texas Supreme Court ruled in his favor. With the passage of the Texas Child Care and Licensing Act in 1975, however, the conflict surfaced anew. This legislative bill, which many believed had been aimed specifically at Roloff Enterprises, became law in January 1976. It stated that children under eighteen must be placed in child-care facilities licensed by the DHS. Roloff and his supporters again refused to back down, and despite favorable reports on the facilities by Attorney General John Hill and state welfare inspectors, the DHS served a restraining order in May 1976. On June 21 Roloff again went to jail, again for five days, in an effort to keep the homes open. Then in October, the homes were again shut down and many of their residents taken by police to the Texas Youth Prison and other state juvenile facilities. But public support for Roloff Enterprises continued to grow, and the homes were opened throughout most of 1977 and 1978. On November 1, 1977, Roloff and his associates staged a patriotic rally in Dallas called "Save Our Nation," which was attended by over 10,000 people, including 1,500 preachers. Acting on the advice of Hill and other attorneys, Roloff took his case to the United States Supreme Court, which upheld the Texas law on October 2, 1978. Again, the state ordered Roloff to shut down the homes unless he submitted to a DHS license in June 1979. Rather than allow the young residents to be taken to state facilities, Roloff had them sent to the ministry's homes in Georgia and Mississippi. As part of that move, he and his supporters staged a protest rally on the grounds of the People's Baptist Church, attended by many prominent evangelists and concerned laypeople from across the nation, including Vietnam veteran Clebe McClary. This event became known as the "Christian Alamo." At that time Roloff Enterprises transferred ownership and operation of the homes and property to the People's Church, a move that enabled the homes to be opened once more in September. Although state officials continued to harass Roloff, prompting court appearances in Corpus Christi, Laredo, and Austin, thousands of troubled youth were again ministered to in the Rebekah and Anchor Homes."

"On November 2, 1982, Roloff and four young female staff workers were killed when their plane crashed near Normangee, in Leon County, during a flight to a preaching and singing service they were scheduled to conduct."

Ok, so far we have the early history, though the one piece of the above quoted information that is faulty is that the young ladies that died in that plane crash were Rebekah girls and farm workers children not staff.

http://www.isaccorp.org/vca/lester-roloff.11.17.02.html (http://www.isaccorp.org/vca/lester-roloff.11.17.02.html)

"In 1983, allegations of abuse at Ruth's Home of Compassion in Rome, Ga., ultimately led the state to close the school for failing to obtain a license."

"But Missouri's first encounter with Roloff homes dates back even further, when two of the original reform schools founded by Roloff were booted out of Texas.  By the time the Rebekah Home for Girls and Anchor Home for Girls came to Missouri in 1985, the reform schools had been the subject of 12 years of court battles.  Here, the Roloff ministry found favorable laws and a convenient location outside Kansas City. Boys and girls occupied unused space at Richards-Gebaur Airport and nearby Calvary Baptist College.Over the next 18 months, police and prosecutors began hearing allegations of abuse from teens who had run away from the school. According to news reports in the Kansas City Times, a 16-year-old turned up at a hospital with a broken wrist, claiming he had been beaten when he tried to escape.  Another boy had half a testicle removed after a classmate kneed him in the groin and the school refused to offer medical care. The victim's mother did not press charges.  Police told the Times of escapees who described isolation cells and beatings with a wooden paddle. One boy told of having to lick his own excrement as a penalty for soiling his pants."

"Two days after the stories appeared in 1987, the Missouri homes moved the kids to a Louisiana reform school with ties to Roloff."

"But even after all the allegations of abuse, Missouri remained friendly to Roloff homes.  Within months of the departure of the Kansas City homes, the founders of Mountain Park picked the state as their base camp.
The founders of Mountain Park moved to Missouri from Mississippi in 1987, after a judge ordered teens removed from the school."

"And for decades, Louisiana locked horns with the New Bethany Home for Girls.  Though the school was not officially a Roloff home, Roloff was at one point listed as a board member of the school, according to news reports.  The state removed students at least twice, and an administrator at a sister school in South Carolina served one year of probation after investigators in 1984 found a teenager lying on the floor in a narrow padlocked cell."

"More recently, in Texas, then-Gov. George W. Bush pushed through laws in 1997 that allowed the Roloff homes to reopen there. But claims of abuse resurfaced at the homes.  In 1999, two boys claimed they were made to run over thorns and dig in a filthy pit throughout the night. The incident resulted in a criminal misdemeanor conviction for a school employee for unlawful restraint. It also served as a sort of last straw for the Texas Legislature."

http://www.rationalatheist.com/Articles ... tives.html (http://www.rationalatheist.com/Articles/faith_initiatives.html)

"The state of Texas approved the Texas Association of Christian Child-Care Agencies (TACCCA). The board of TACCCA was comprised of eight pastors, three of whom also operated homes accredited by TACCCA. Upon TACCCA’s creation, the Texas Department of Protective and Regulatory Services (TDPRS) no longer held jurisdiction over these programs. Therefore, TDPRS could not investigate complaints of abuse. Also upon creation of TACCCA, then-Governor Bush invited the Roloff Homes to return to Texas..."

One of the above mentioned pators is none other than Wiley Cameron Sr., the man who took over when Roloff died.  Nothing like letting the fox guard the hen house.

"When George W. Bush became president, he created the White House Office of Faith-Based Initiatives (www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/mission.html (http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/mission.html)). Mr. Bush created Centers for Faith-Based Initiatives in seven cabinet departments: the United States Agency for International Development, and the Departments of Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, Justice, Agriculture, Labor, and Education. The purpose of the Centers was to eliminate regulatory and contracting obstacles for faith-based and other community organizations. This act has made it possible for religious boarding schools to avoid becoming licensed and regulated leaving those inside no protection."

"Although Texas was forced to abandon its alternative accreditation program, those who wished to avoid state interference were not left without options. The Florida Association of Christian Child Caring Agencies (FACCCA) was created to do the same thing TACCCA did in Texas. When Faye Cameron was banned forever from working with children in Texas and TACCCA was discontinued, FACCCA and the State of Florida welcomed the Camerons. FACCCA also welcomed the Palmers after the State of California shut down their facility in Ramona, California...."

"There have been numerous complaints of abuse against FACCCA facility employees. Rebecca Ramirez’s sexual assault allegation against VCA’s Palmer (Secrets in the Schoolhouse by reporter Mollye Barrows) is not an isolated allegation. In 2003, a former student of FACCCA’s Camp Tracey filed a lawsuit against the facility alleging that he was forced to perform sex acts with two camp counselors (Paul Pinkam, Man Sues Church, Alleges Abuse - Harvest Baptist’s Camp Tracey Cited, THE FLORIDA TIMES-UNION, May 10, 2003, available at http://www.nospank.net/n-k92r.htm (http://www.nospank.net/n-k92r.htm)). A grand jury investigated Camp Tracey in 1987 after years of physical abuse allegations by children and parents. Allegations leading to the investigation included excessive corporal punishment and the use of ropes and handcuffs to restrain children. The grand jury criticized the absence of procedures allowing residents of Camp Tracey to contact authorities in the event of abuse (www.isaccorp.org/faccca/camptracey1.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.org/faccca/camptracey1.pdf) )."

Words in bold in this post are my own, information in quotes comes from the preceeding links.  I tried to be fair and took information from both supportive and non-supportive sites here, but this shows how they have fought the states with the help of their friends in high places.  Roloffs radio show is still played on various fundemental Christian stations throughout the bible belt to this day.  There is much more information out there, but I think this has been enough of an example.













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Title: Roloffs Involvement
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 29, 2007, 07:34:40 PM
Roloff was the ultimate voice of control over all of the homes in existance up to his death in 1982.  He was the Pastor at the People's Baptist Church, but he was also the head of a very dangerous monster called "Roloff Evangelistic Enterprises".  All home staff ultimately reported to him.  He traveled the country raising funds dragging along the girls with angelic voices who would perform in church after church singing and bearing testimony to the greatness of the man.  Failing to be able to give testimony about how he rescued your imortal soul at the drop of a hat was a very grieveous offense and resulted in corporal punishment.  Homes that were offspring of the ministers homes placed him on their boards of directors, and even more prevolently as a Martyr on their walls.

His successor Wiley Cameron, Sr.  never acquired the level of servitude the late great revival preacher enjoyed, but he did make a lot more money of the homes than Roloff had.  Roloff homes, unlike most teen facilities were founded on the poor children.  He did not charge to send your daughter or son to him during the 60's and 70's the entire thing ran on donations from his devoted followers.

By the 1980's they were charging for most of the girls in their care.  Meanwhile the costs were very low because everything used, ate, or drank was produced on the various properties.  Some had large citrus orchards, others grew nearly any vegetable you can think of.  They were self supporting.

I was sent to Rebekah Girls Home in Corpus Christi, TX in March of 1985.  Roloff was gone and the Camerons had taken over his ministries.  The Barretts were the dorm parents at Rebekah at that time.  I remember driving up the road and  coming to the guard shack out in front of the home and the church and thinking how menacing the place seemed.  I had begged and pleaded and cried all the way there to know avail, and my mother sat in the front seat actively ignoring me.  She had never wanted to be a mother, and still to this day calls me "sister" to remind me that I was not what she had planned for her life.

My mother quickly ushered me up the sidewalk to a door on the side of the dorm building where the office was located, and we were quickly brought to an inner office with the door shut and locked behind us.  I had been forced to put on a denim skirt that morning, which was completely out of the norm for me, when they called my roomcaptain down to show me around and show me where my room was I went anxiously.  I had every intention of jumping back into the jeans and t -shirt  I had carefully packed that morning.  

I got to my room, opened my suitcase, and then I am sure I must have gone into a catatonic state for a moment.  There in my suitcase were all new clothes, not a pair of pants to be found.  My mother did not even have the courtesy to mention that my whole life was about to change.  Pissed as only a 16 year old girl can get at her mother I headed back to the office.  Another big suprise, when I got to the office, my mother was gone.  No goodbye, no nothing.  I said something profound, or maybe it was profane anyway, I had been there for less than 45 minutes and got my first taste of "The Board of Education"  the pet name they had given to a large paddle with wholes bored in it.

I was then told to sit at a table while the rules were recited with fervor.  I was informed by the dorm mother that she knew I was there because of accusations of abuse with my father, and that if my father really did the things I accused him of, it was no wonder with my manner of dress and haughty attitude.  I was never to speak of anything like that ever again.  More profanity, I will admit to being a slow learner, and another paddling.  Two in less than an hour and a half, that must be a record.  

It was 30 days before I heard anything from my mother, and that came in the way of a five minute phone call.  She was distant and disinterested, and I had been duly warned about saying anything bad about the homes anyway.  During the 30 days leading up to this 5 minute call, I was on new girl status.  As a new girl you have to be with a room captain, or a helper at all times.  (You do not even go to the bathroom alone)  You are to raise your hand and get permission to speak, and are not to look around.

I managed to survive until my first visit, about 7 months into my incarceration (supposed to be at 6 months, but my mom was busy)  I had stayed out of trouble for the most part, only getting the common number of licks (swats), and kneeling when we were all punished as a group.  Then of course there was punishment from the room captain like kneeling while holding bibles in your outstretched hands, or sitting on the wall (a stress position where you back up to the wall with your feet about 1 foot away from the wall and lower yourself into a position that looks like you are sitting in an invisible chair).  But none the less, for the most part I stayed out of trouble.

While on my visit my mother took me to a spa and had my hair and nails done, this was the beginning of my real trouble at Rebekah.  When I returned to the home at the end of my 3 day 2 night visit, Mrs. Barrett met me in the office, she screamed at me for 10 minutes and sent me to my room to wait for her.  She came in about 10 minutes later with fingernail polish remover, nail clippers, the paddle, and two pencils.  I was instructed to clean off the clear coat of fingernail polish I had on and cut my nails off even with the ends of my fingers and told if they weren't short enough that she would shorten them for me.  I cut them to the quick avoiding any help from her.  She then handed me the pencils grabbed me by the hair and drug me into the bathroom shoving me into the bathtub in my clothes.  She handed me a bar of soap and I tried to hand her back the pencils.  She then told me to kneel on them.  She turned on the cold water and told me to scrub my face, I was not wearing makeup, but had gotten a little tan at the beach.  I kneeled there on those pencils for over 8 hours, if I tried to move she hit me, when she finally got bored with it, she told me to get up and dry off, but I couldn't walk, my knees were stiff and badly bruised.  She had the two room captains from the rooms that shared our bathroom help me up and I was placed in lockup where I spent the next couple of weeks.  

In lock up I came up with an escape plan, and it would have worked, but none of the girls involved wanted to leave any of their friends behind, so after weeks of meeting in the closets because it was the only place they couldn't listen to us, we were busted.  Information had spread too far and nearly 30 of us got into trouble.  We were all placed on confinement, basicly place back on new girl status, and were not allowed to speak to or even look at each other even after we were released from confinement.  That was about a week before Christmas.  

Here is where things get a little fuzzy for me, because all the information out there says we were taken to Belton in 1985, so either they are wrong, or we left right after Christmas, because I am sure we were in Corpus Christi at Christmas.  The week before the move was crazy, they reminded us constantly to stay packed, in case we had to leave.  Then came the names over the loudspeakers, the would call down two or three girls at a time, and they never came back.  They were just gone.  Those of us not lucky enough to be called, were loaded on a bus and taken to Belton, Missouri.

I pretty much stayed in trouble for the duration of my stay accused of everything from rebelliousness to witchcraft, I worked on my paces every minute I could ( was told I would not be released until I graduated).  I was in lockup at least twice more, and in May of 1986 I graduated.  A piece of paper that is not worth  a thing seeing how they were not accredited.  I went home to my mother's house for almost two weeks, then got on a greyhound bus and moved back to Boise where I grew up.  

My mother and I have done a lot of work on our relationship over the last 21 years, but we are still not close, and I don't think we ever will be.
Title: Lorri
Post by: hurrikayne on November 29, 2007, 08:54:23 PM
Okay you win.  I can't beat your posts.

Rebekah sucked, so did Jubilee.  A hurricane set me free.
Title: hurikayne, we have so much more to say
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 30, 2007, 03:29:43 AM
I just got us started.  I am sure you have things to add.  I am trying to basicly create a Roloff family tree for the homes, it is kind of giving me a headache though.  I also just opened an Idaho chapter of HEAL  http://www.heal-online.org/idaho.htm (http://www.heal-online.org/idaho.htm)  check it out.  Any info you can add would be deeply appreciated on the Roloff thing, none of the homes are even listed on Heal, and I need to break down all 24 homes that I have so far with links referring to any abuse.  It is going to be a long process, but we need to get the info out there.  Come play, it might not be fun, but it promises to be educational.

L
Title: Roloffs
Post by: hanzomon4 on November 30, 2007, 08:14:57 AM
:nworthy:

I bow down in awe of your work Lorri... Good God, I'm bookmarking this.

Oh let's add 25, close to my neck of the woods

25.New Bethany Home for Girls - Shreveport Louisiana
Title: Re: Lorri
Post by: Che Gookin on November 30, 2007, 10:39:59 AM
Quote from: ""hurrikayne""
Okay you win.  I can't beat your posts.

Rebekah sucked, so did Jubilee.  A hurricane set me free.


I'll refrain from gripping about huricanes in the future.
Title: Re: hurikayne, we have so much more to say
Post by: Che Gookin on November 30, 2007, 10:42:55 AM
Quote from: ""lorrispickelmire""
I just got us started.  I am sure you have things to add.  I am trying to basicly create a Roloff family tree for the homes, it is kind of giving me a headache though.  I also just opened an Idaho chapter of HEAL  http://www.heal-online.org/idaho.htm (http://www.heal-online.org/idaho.htm)  check it out.  Any info you can add would be deeply appreciated on the Roloff thing, none of the homes are even listed on Heal, and I need to break down all 24 homes that I have so far with links referring to any abuse.  It is going to be a long process, but we need to get the info out there.  Come play, it might not be fun, but it promises to be educational.

L


Met Angela(Heal's Big Unit) at her Seattle monthly heal meeting. It was me her, and her mom as everyone else was gone for Thanksgiving. Interesting meeting though and we shared various stories and insights.

Hmmmm breaking down al 24 homes can get complicated... but no doubt it would be a good thing to get every last one listed. Perhaps you ought to focus on the ones still in operation first?
Title: Che
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 30, 2007, 12:49:16 PM
Oh, breaking down the Roloff homes wont be so difficult, should have that done by weeks end, but I got a bigger project that will indeed be mighty.  I will let everyone in on the details here very soon.

L
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on November 30, 2007, 05:06:55 PM
Tell then answer my questions please:

Did any incident of abuse get reported to the police that you witnessed?

If yes what was the outcome?
Title: The police
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 30, 2007, 07:09:53 PM
Che,
Nothing that I witnessed personally was reported to the police, that I know of.  I don't know if the diabetic girl that they nearly let die from diabetic shock was ever reported to the police or not, but she never came back to the home.  Her dad was angry enough to go to the cops, but I don't know if he actually did.  I need to actually see if I can dig up anything in the public records about that.  Several of the Corpus Christi staff members have been charged with abuse from time to time, but I don't know of any actual reports to the police while I was in the home.
Title: Here are some that were reported
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 30, 2007, 07:32:14 PM
http://www.tfn.org/religiousfreedom/fai ... /index.php (http://www.tfn.org/religiousfreedom/faithbased/timeline/index.php)

June 2001: Administrators of the Roloff Homes found guilty of abuse in a criminal trial. Texas officials are notified that the Roloff Homes have moved to another state

http://www.nospank.net/n-h11.htm (http://www.nospank.net/n-h11.htm)

http://www.isaccorp.org/victorychristianacademy.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/victorychristianacademy.asp)
Title: here are some more
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 30, 2007, 08:30:05 PM
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/texas2.htm (http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/texas2.htm)

http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.c ... house.html (http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/SecretsintheSchoolhouse.html)

http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.c ... house.html (http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/SecretsintheSchoolhouse.html)
Christian Parody-Bethel Academy
Title: Re: The police
Post by: hurrikayne on November 30, 2007, 11:20:17 PM
Quote from: ""lorrispickelmire""
Nothing that I witnessed personally was reported to the police


Me too neither.
Title: Roloff's
Post by: hurrikayne on November 30, 2007, 11:27:25 PM
I do seem to have clammed up quite suddenly.  Sorry about that.  I stopped drinking for a day or two.  :)  I'm getting warmed up again though.

Bahahahaaa.

The Jubilee girls had to wash up at the cafteria, called the "Come & Dine".

I have dim memories of the kitchen equipment, but I'm not sure if that is a result of cleaning...or helping cook.  Dunno.  A bit to dim to decipher.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Oz girl on November 30, 2007, 11:57:44 PM
Is there any relationship between the Roloff homes with their baptist sort of model and the other generically evangelical ones like esquele caribe?
Or are they unrelated.
Also there seems to be few catholic tbs type places around. This surprises me a bit. Were there ever any in the US
Title: Relationships to Roloff's
Post by: hurrikayne on December 01, 2007, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: ""Oz girl""
Is there any relationship between the Roloff homes with their baptist sort of model and the other generically evangelical ones like esquele caribe?
Or are they unrelated.
Also there seems to be few catholic tbs type places around. This surprises me a bit. Were there ever any in the US


Name the ones you know of, I'll see if Lorri would be willing to help research them.  

Most of the people that are offshoots of Roloff's tend to have fundamentalist Baptist leanings.  They drank from the same Kool-Aid pitcher, you know.
Title: Re: Lorri
Post by: hurrikayne on December 01, 2007, 01:48:20 AM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin"
I'll refrain from gripping about huricanes in the future.


Just as a side note, the nickname hurrikayne did not stem from my unorthicdox escape from the Roloff regime.  My first husband actually inspired that moniker.  He said when I got mad it was like a hurricane, I would blow relentlessly, calm down for a while and then blow again.  

Although there were other events that contributed, subconciously, I'm sure.
Title: Ready and Willing
Post by: lorrispickelmire on December 01, 2007, 03:13:33 AM
I would have told you a few weeks ago that there were only 10 Roloff homes, now my count is at 25.  I would have told you that I didn't think they would mix with others, but it appears they have been in the last few homes put in place.  The honest truth is that I have no idea how many heads this particular serpant has, but I am willing to put in the work to find out.  Lay them on me I am ready and willing to do the research.

You are up late Hurikayne!
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on December 01, 2007, 06:38:53 PM
Are the Rollof homes run on a franchise system or are they wholly owned by Lester "The Molestor" Rollof himself?
Title: franchise system or what?
Post by: hurrikayne on December 02, 2007, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Are the Rollof homes run on a franchise system or are they wholly owned by Lester "The Molestor" Rollof himself?


Lester himself is quite dead.  Those running homes modeled after his example are "carrying on his 'good' work."  I'm guessing the profits are winding up in individual director's bank accounts, but that IS purely speculation.

Yes Lorrie, there's no "light's out" policy here for anyone over the age of 14, thank you very much.  :P  And even if there was, I have a very cool keyboard that lights up from underneath illuminating the letters.  I don't typically look at the keys when I type, but I do when I'm drunk, and sometimes I still mess up anyway, but it is very cool.  :)
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on December 03, 2007, 01:42:06 AM
Did either of you experience any abuse from Lester himself?
Title: Roloff Abuse
Post by: lorrispickelmire on December 03, 2007, 07:51:46 PM
No, Roloff was dead by the time we were there, but I was abused directly by Faye Cameron who is the wife of Roloffs predocessor.  She was found guilty of abuse later, and is not allowed to ever work with juveniles in the state of Texas ever again.
Title: Roloff abuse...
Post by: lorrispickelmire on December 03, 2007, 07:53:08 PM
I do however have friends who were physically abused by both Roloff and his wife.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: hanzomon4 on December 04, 2007, 01:49:17 AM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Are the Rollof homes run on a franchise system or are they wholly owned by Lester "The Molestor" Rollof himself?


I believe 5 homes have a direct relationship with the "peoples baptist church", but many others are related in a more indirect way. Workers from one home will go and start one of their own that's run in the same roloffian way. I would say the current wwasps model fits the roloff homes organizational style.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on December 04, 2007, 05:42:14 AM
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Are the Rollof homes run on a franchise system or are they wholly owned by Lester "The Molestor" Rollof himself?

I believe 5 homes have a direct relationship with the "peoples baptist church", but many others are related in a more indirect way. Workers from one home will go and start one of their own that's run in the same roloffian way. I would say the current wwasps model fits the roloff homes organizational style.


That is encouraging.... Not..
Title: Who owns What
Post by: lorrispickelmire on December 04, 2007, 10:06:36 PM
The original 7 homes were owned by Roloff Evangelistic Enterprises ( a not for profit organization), but then workers started getting in trouble and they would go off and start there own Roloffian shitpit.  Michael Palmer of WWASPS renoun is a former Roloff worker.  These programs seem to be inbreeding which suprises me because one is Fundamentalist Baptist and the other is predominantly Mormon, and the Baptists think the Mormons are a cult. LOL "Oh Pooottttttttttt calling Ketttttttttle!"  These people are enemies, yet maybe not, maybe child abuse trumps God.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on December 05, 2007, 06:08:19 AM
Ok.. Out of sheer curiousity can anyone who went to a Roloff home give a clear example of how religion was used to justify child abuse to the child and parent?
Title: How was religions used to justify abuse...
Post by: hurrikayne on December 06, 2007, 10:17:42 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Ok.. Out of sheer curiousity can anyone who went to a Roloff home give a clear example of how religion was used to justify child abuse to the child and parent?
 Oh, that's easy.  The Bible says to spare the rod will spoil the child, and other such scriptures that when taken out of context, warped minds can twist and use for evil intents.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on December 06, 2007, 10:19:49 PM
But that wasn't the question...

DID any of these "chaps" abuse you.. then use the bible to justify it?
Title: The question...
Post by: hurrikayne on December 06, 2007, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
But that wasn't the question...

DID any of these "chaps" abuse you.. then use the bible to justify it?


Yes, and yees again.  I actually thought that was blatantly evident...
Title: Abuse disguised as Religion?
Post by: lorrispickelmire on December 06, 2007, 10:37:02 PM
Lets see, they beat you with a wooden paddle and tell you they are doing it because God told them via scripture that they were supposed to, then they stand you up infront of the church congregation and are made to give testimony about how the dicipline/abuse they are lavishing on you is saving you from your life.  I was afraid at times they were going to save me from my life clear to death.  And at my funeral the faithful followers would have said, "lucky girl they saved her from her past."
Title: Glad you're back Hurrikayne!
Post by: lorrispickelmire on December 06, 2007, 10:39:20 PM
Can I get an Amen?
Title: Can you get an Amen?
Post by: hurrikayne on December 06, 2007, 11:08:53 PM
Yeah, AMEN.

Evidently Che missed my post about lock up, the room with only a mattress and sermons getting pumped in while you whiled your days away without a shower, & few bathroom breaks.  Possibly he also missed the one about scrubbing floors on hands & knees for hours.  Have I not mentioned that the doors were locked, there were alarms on the windows?  We weren't allowed to see our families for 6 months or more.  Our phone calls were monitored, letters were monitored.  We couldn't discuss our past, couldn't watch television, read anything other than schoolowork (which was a waste of time BEFORE getting the worthless diploma, we weren't allowed to talk to anyone not in the particular program we were in.  We were isolated from society, had sermons blasted at us morning an night.  

Granted, not all of the above is physical abuse, some of it is spiritual, and some emotional...but abuse nonetheless.
Title: Abuse by any other name....
Post by: lorrispickelmire on December 06, 2007, 11:26:18 PM
I agree hurrikayne, and Che knows too, abuse does not have to be physical to be abuse.  I like you best when you are drinking girl! LOL
Title: Re: Can you get an Amen?
Post by: Che Gookin on December 07, 2007, 06:53:54 AM
Quote from: ""hurrikayne""
Yeah, AMEN.

Evidently Che missed my post about lock up, the room with only a mattress and sermons getting pumped in while you whiled your days away without a shower, & few bathroom breaks.  Possibly he also missed the one about scrubbing floors on hands & knees for hours.  Have I not mentioned that the doors were locked, there were alarms on the windows?  We weren't allowed to see our families for 6 months or more.  Our phone calls were monitored, letters were monitored.  We couldn't discuss our past, couldn't watch television, read anything other than schoolowork (which was a waste of time BEFORE getting the worthless diploma, we weren't allowed to talk to anyone not in the particular program we were in.  We were isolated from society, had sermons blasted at us morning an night.  

Granted, not all of the above is physical abuse, some of it is spiritual, and some emotional...but abuse nonetheless.


I've always thought that emotional abuse was far more damaging than physical myself. At least that was the way it felt for me when I was a young sprout.
Title: Anchor home is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: lorrispickelmire on December 08, 2007, 02:36:23 AM
26. Anchor Academy

http://www.havredailynews.com/articles/ ... anchor.txt (http://www.havredailynews.com/articles/2003/01/11/local_headlines/anchor.txt)

http://www.anchoracademymt.org/index.php?id=&page=1 (http://www.anchoracademymt.org/index.php?id=&page=1)

http://www.anchoracademymt.org/index.php?id=7&page=39 (http://www.anchoracademymt.org/index.php?id=7&page=39)
Title: Roloffs
Post by: hanzomon4 on December 16, 2007, 07:57:26 AM
The funniest most dumbest quote (from the first link on Anchor
Quote
"There is absolutely no way to fall through the cracks with ACE," McElwrath said."

Now check these out from the last link for a real hoot
Quote
1. Don’t discipline him properly according to scriptural principles. Just believe the lie that spanking is old fashioned. He that spareth his rod hateth his son Proverbs 13:24
Quote
10. Let him listen to rock 'n' roll, rap, or alternative music. This kind of music will destroy his life faster than anything else! Be not deceived, evil communications corrupt good manners. 1 Corinthians 15:33
Quote
14. Send your child to public school so he can be taught evolution, sex education,and humanism.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. 1 Corinthians 3:19
Title: The new Anchor
Post by: hurrikayne on December 16, 2007, 05:09:00 PM
Yes, I saw that guy's page on "How to raise a rebellious teenager".  It made me sooooooo angry.  Ugh.  Might want to teach them to never use fire either.  Fire causes destruction and should be avoided at all costs.  (Nevermind that it can warm your food or your home.  Let's just focus on one aspect, the negative aspect at that.)
Title: Yeah, Always Focus on the Negative
Post by: lorrispickelmire on December 16, 2007, 07:35:55 PM
Always focus on the negative that will surely create a positive force for good. Not!  Violence promotes more violence, everyone knows that, yet they keep insisting that if you love your children you will hit them.  Backwards doesn't even begin to describe these people.
Title: Focus...
Post by: hurrikayne on December 16, 2007, 11:45:32 PM
Well, you know, I've tried really hard to teach that teenager of mine a core base of values and how did she repay me this evening?  TORTURE...she put me through 20 minutes of hard core TAE BO.  OMG, I thought I was gonna die.  That's it, I'm taking her Christmas presents back.
Title: Oh, Hush!
Post by: lorrispickelmire on December 19, 2007, 02:04:53 AM
We all know you can take it SUPERMOM!  You are tougher than that teenager of yours could ever guess. LOL
Title: Fornits Wiki status
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2008, 08:04:18 AM
1. Bethesda (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Bethesda_Girls_Home) (Girls)

2. Redemption Ranch (Boys)

3. Rebekah (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Rebekah_Home_for_girls) (Girls)

4. Anchor (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Anchor_Home_For_Boys) (Boys)

5. Ruth Home of Compassion (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Ruths_Home_of_Compassion) (Girls)

6. Lighthouse (young men)

7. Lighthouse Intercoastal (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Lighthouse_Intercostal_for_men) (young men and boys)

8. Zapata (webpage???)

9. Jubilee (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Jubilee_For_Women) (young women)
 
10. City of Refuge (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/City_of_Refuge) (men)

11. Mt. Park (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Mountain_Park_Academy) (Boys)  (Maybe the new name is ABM Ministries (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/ABM_Ministries))

12. Palm Lane (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Park_Lane_Academy) (Girls)
 
13. Happiness Hills (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Happiness_Hill_Christian_Home_&_Academy)

14. Bethel Boys Academy (working on article)
15. Bethel Girls Academy (working on article)

16. Agape Boarding School (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Agape_Boarding_School)

17. New Beginnings Pace, FL (Girls)  (Closed - moved to MO)
18. New Beginnings MO (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/New_Beginnings_Girls_Academy) (Girls)

19. VCA (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Lighthouse_Ministries_of_North_West_Florida) (Girls)

20. Thanks to Calvary Boarding School (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Calvary_Academy-Florida) (Seperate Dorms for Boys and Girls?)

21. Reclaimation Ranch (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Reclamation_Ranch)

22. Farmers Christian Academy Girls Home (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Farmers_Christian_Academy_Girls_Home)

23. Dye's Home for Girls (Cannot find webpage)
24. Palmers Home for Girls (Cannot find webpage)

25. New Bethany Home for Girls - Shreveport Louisiana (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/New_Bethany_Home)

26. Anchor Academy (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Anchor_Academy)

Maybe there is even more. What are the criterias a place? I have created a category (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Independent_Roloff_based_facilities)
Title: A few to add
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2008, 04:13:29 PM
Charity Haven (Milton Florida ran by Dave Walkden)
Victory Acres (Alice Texas ran by Bill J McNamara who currently runs New Beginnings)
Genesis by the Sea (ran by Mike Palmer)
Lighthouse by the Sea (ran by Mike Palmer)
Title: Oh forgot one!
Post by: lorrispickelmire on January 01, 2008, 04:18:21 PM
Casa by the Sea (ran by Mike Palmer)  New Bethany girls home is closed. It was run by the Fords.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: Che Gookin on January 01, 2008, 10:12:38 PM
Casa By the Sea.. isn't that a wwasp facility?
Title: WWASPS
Post by: lorrispickelmire on January 02, 2008, 03:00:14 AM
Yeah Che, it is, I told you there were connections.  Mike Palmer started out on the Roloff compound in Corpus, then moved on to start his own facilities.  Casa by the sea was only one of them.  The Palmer facilities are part Roloff, part WWASPS, and maybe even part Straight.  I am still digging, this is one of the few connections I have found so far.

http://www.isaccorp.org/victorychristianacademy.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/victorychristianacademy.asp)
Title: Re: A few to add
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2008, 03:00:45 PM
Quote from: ""lorri""
Charity Haven (Milton Florida ran by Dave Walkden)
Victory Acres (Alice Texas ran by Bill J McNamara who currently runs New Beginnings)
Genesis by the Sea (ran by Mike Palmer)
Lighthouse by the Sea (ran by Mike Palmer)


Charity Haven (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Charity_Haven_Christian_Academy)

Victory Acres (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Victory_Acres_Childrens_home)

Genesis by the Sea (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Genesis_by_the_Sea)

It Lighthouse by the sea not the same as VCA?
Title: Lighthouse by the sea.
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2008, 03:38:38 PM
May be, these places love to play the name game.  I research as much as I can, but I am unable to dig up a lot of the info because they are really good at covering their tracks.  I am only adding names to the list as I come to them in hopes of connecting the dots and finding other survivors.  If anyone from any teen facility needs to talk and is looking for a support group they are always welcome in mine.  http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/He ... ePrograms/ (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HealingFromAbusivePrograms/)
Title: Two more up for evaluation
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2008, 03:28:18 PM
Abounding Grace School for Boys (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Abounding_Grace_School_for_Boys)

Beulah Mountain Christian Academy (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Beulah_Mountain_Christian_Academy)

Can they be put in the category of Independent Roloff based facilities (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Independent_Roloff_based_facilities)

The founders may have been working with Roloff related people before. Unfortunately I have not been able to locate either past "students" or where the staff worked before they founded these places.
Title: Roloffs
Post by: hurrikayne on January 05, 2008, 04:09:06 PM
If you have names of directors/workers/administrators, we can ask other contacts and see if anyone recognizes them as being affiliated...
Title: The directors
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2008, 06:14:49 PM
Beulah Mountain Christian Academy:
Director Bernie Shaw (age 66 today), son Jeff (age 38 today).

Abounding Grace School for Boys:
Lucinda and Stanley Mitchell
Title: Roloffs
Post by: umm.mickey on January 06, 2008, 11:22:12 AM
i have read through the posts in this thread as well as others on this board.  i cannot find a definitive answer regarding the pace or jay florida "new beginnings" school for girls.

is it still being operated??

thanks in advance

mick
Title: Re: Roloffs wiki researcher
Post by: lorrispickelmire on January 24, 2008, 01:10:24 AM
Hey, ABM does not have a staff list, but when you dig in the actual name they give you for the school is Lighthouse Christian Academy, and this name or very similar is being used at homes in two other Roloff associated facilities.  Formerly VCA in Jay FL and New Beginnings old facility in Pace FL.  The website is very closed about who is at the helm though I did copy and download their erollment documents which I intend to compare to Mt. Parks enrollment documents to see what the similarities are.  I am working on the revised list of Roloff Homes, will post it for you soon seeing that we are now over 40 confirmed.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: lorrispickelmire on February 15, 2008, 12:30:56 AM
When you call the phone number on the old Mt. Park enrollment forms you get, "ABM so and so speaking how may I help you?"  If they changed ownership wouldn't they have changed phone numbers?  I think they are just stearing away from the term corporal punishment.  Do they use the term biblical dicipline, because it is exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: crazymom_of8 on August 12, 2008, 04:35:04 PM
Looking for any info or feedback on New Beginnings Girls Academy in LaRussell, MO.  Thanks
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: psy on August 12, 2008, 07:19:35 PM
Quote from: "crazymom_of8"
Looking for any info or feedback on New Beginnings Girls Academy in LaRussell, MO.  Thanks
It was closed down in Florida, AFAIK, before it re-opened in MO.

There seems to be some info on Isaccorp about it:

http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsnz.asp#newbeginnings (http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsnz.asp#newbeginnings)

Personally, I'd avoid an organization with a reputation like that like the plague.

For more information you could try searching for "new beginnings" (in quotes) in the search box above and see what you come up with.  You also might want to ask about this in this forum here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=36).
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2008, 04:01:49 PM
We have been trying to find further info but a lot of their links are not working and it have been a full year since they moved. Not even the link for visitation is working. Something is just not right with this program. Here is our research page with info so far.

http://http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/New_Beginnings_Girls_Academy
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: hurrikayne on August 13, 2008, 07:30:00 PM
I was able to find a cached version of their webpage.

While viewing this cached version, I noticed the following items, which are serious red flags:

1. Accelerated Christian Education is the program used.  These are workbooks, not textbooks; students will read about experiments, not conduct them; there is not any actual "teaching" that goes on.  Cheating on tests is ridiculously simple, and should the student "graduate" and end up with a diploma, it is worthless.  Colleges across the country will require a GED in addition to your ACE diploma.

2.  More to come later.....(sorry, need to leave)
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: hurrikayne on August 13, 2008, 10:27:18 PM
I'm having difficulties editing posts...so here are the rest of the red flags I noticed on the cached version of "New Beginnings" website.

2.  "When a girl arrives at New Beginnings, she will wait 30 days from the date of enrollment to receive a phone call from her family. After the first call, she may receive a 15 minute phone call every two weeks. No phone call will be accepted for the student from anyone who is not a parent/legal guardian."  The program isolates the girl from her family and all other outside contacts.  If she cannot talk to you, she cannot make legitimate complaints against the treatment she is receiving.  If she cannot speak to anyone else that is not a parent or legal guardian at this time, she cannot report abuse or mistreatment.  Think about this, parents who divorce/separate even in cases where one parent is deemed unfit, often are granted the right to speak to their children sooner than 30 days.  Why shouldn't you, as a fit parent who is voluntarily placing your child in a program, have the right to speak with her?  


3.  "After six months of stay at New Beginnings, a student is granted a 3 day, 2 night visit with her family. During this time, she may not leave the state of Missouri; and attendance to ALL church services is required."  For families who live out of state, this rule doesn't initially have much of an impact, but suppose you live within the state...close to the facility...YOU CANNOT SEE YOUR CHILD FOR SIX MONTHS.  Let us go back to the "unfit" parent theory...often the courts will grant supervised visits to an unfit parent, and certainly more often than every six months.  While you're unable to see her, you are also unable to see the transformation of your child from the shock of isolation not only from her lifestyle, but from EVERYONE she cares about; the next stage is hurt and anger not only towards those who placed her in this situation (even if she was part of the decision), but also towards those around her that are holding her there; after hurt & anger, one of two stages is evident (but not to you, you still can't see her) either she will be highly defiant and resist the program, or she will lay low and avoid conflict and problems with others; the final stage is resolution, typically at this point she will resign herself to her fate, that there is no hope of getting out before her time is up.  She'll be counting the days until her year is up.

4.  Staff/Educators/Owners/Administrators:  Nowhere do they indicate qualifications, credentials, teaching background, or where they graduated. Most schools, even primary schools, will provide the basic credentials of their staff.  If they do not, then check with the board of education, you very likely won't find any of their names. They aren't teachers, they aren't psychologists, psychiatrists, or medically trained. You'll shell out a lot of money, and still have to help her get a GED, and possibly a therapist.

That's all I have the energy for.  G'night.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Ursus on August 14, 2008, 01:17:41 AM
At the risk of sounding like a Johnny-Come-Lately butting into a conversation, Hurrikayne's previous two posts call to mind the following:

From: Encyclopedia of Sociology Volume 1, Macmillan Publishing Company, New York. Excerpt by Richard J. Ofshe, Ph.D.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/brain ... hing8.html (http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing8.html)

Quote
Coercive Persuasion and Attitude Change

Coercive persuasion and thought reform are alternate names for programs of social influence capable of producing substantial behavior and attitude change through the use of coercive tactics, persuasion, and/or interpersonal and group-based influence manipulations (Schein 1961; Lifton 1961). Such programs have also been labeled "brainwashing" (Hunter 1951), a term more often used in the media than in scientific literature. However identified, these programs are distinguishable from other elaborate attempts to influence behavior and attitudes, to socialize, and to accomplish social control. Their distinguishing features are their totalistic qualities (Lifton 1961), the types of influence procedures they employ, and the organization of these procedures into three distinctive subphases of the overall process (Schein 1961; Ofshe and Singer 1986). The key factors that distinguish coercive persuasion from other training and socialization schemes are:

   1. The reliance on intense interpersonal and psychological attack to destabilize an individual's sense of self to promote compliance

   2. The use of an organized peer group

   3. Applying interpersonal pressure to promote conformity

   4. The manipulation of the totality of the person's social environment to stabilize behavior once modified
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: hurrikayne on August 14, 2008, 07:20:14 PM
Please don't feel like you're butting in.  Saving kids & educating parents as to what goes on based on our own firsthand knowledge is but one way.  Shedding light on the practices used by programs, from other sources, including professional findings, is just as important.  

Thanks for sharing this.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2008, 09:55:25 PM
The other home that was in NC was Harvest School for girls and if I recall correctly near Statesville. I am not sure if it is still going but it was not a great place for girls and It was part of Bro. Roloff's Ran by Kathy and her hubby and 3 daughters and at this time I can not recall there last name. That was 9 months of hell/ brain washing and abuse like there is no tomorrow. I will write later . I am off to bed.

angel
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2008, 04:21:13 PM
I am a survivor of Hephzibah House in Warsaw, Indiana and it has been rumored that Ronald Williams who owns and runs HH is linked back to Lestor Roloff in Texas before coming to Indiana to open his house of horrors. Does anyone here know who Pastor Ronald Williams is or have any memories of him or proof of his affiliation with L Roloff? You can contact me transferredmemories@yahoo.com if you prefer.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2008, 08:05:12 PM
I finally made it through all of your posts. Everything about the Roloff homes that I have read here and elsewhere is almost identical to the Hephzibah House in Warsaw, IN where I was imprisoned for a little over 2 years. A few girls seem to remember the guy who runs HH, Pastor Ronald E Williams, being somehow associated with Roloff. I am trying to find the affiliation but, as we all know, the internet didn't exist 50 years ago so I'm having trouble. If anyone knows of any information that would be of use to me please email me at https://www.blogger.com/blogin.g?blogsp ... pot.com%2F (https://www.blogger.com/blogin.g?blogspotURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hephzibah-house.blogspot.com%2F) . Unfortunately, we had to make it private due to harrassment and so you will have to ask to join if you want to read the blogs or talk to the girls on there. We have been disgussing the Roloff homes quite a bit lately. I hope to see a few of you on there.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: hurrikayne on December 03, 2008, 09:02:33 PM
I may know someone who could find that out...not entirely certain.  Give me a couple of days to look into it please.

Thx
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2008, 10:14:56 PM
Thanks. Although I have talked to some accountable people tonight and I now do not believe there to be an affiliation between Ron Williams and Lester Roloff other than a fondness for one another in their belief systems. You guys have a great site here and Lorri has done a fantastic job with her research. I have passed several links and tidbits on to the Hephzibah House site. I think the most profound thing I read on here was when Lorri said that it often takes decades for survivors to come forward which seems to be the case with HH survivors as well. Do you all find it's easier to remember the first half of your time at the Roloff homes than it is the second half of your incarceration due to having to conform? I remember a lot more about the first year I was at HH than the second half when I learned to conform and had my head up their asses trying to kiss it from the inside out. I was a mindless (and headless) zombie. LOL. The stories are all similar and familiar on not only this site and Hephzibah House's site but all the survivor sites I've been watching and researching. I think if we got several survivor sites together and combined them and made a roar or wrote a book filled with stories then maybe...just MAYBE....someone might finally realize the shit that is going on behind these doors in the name of religion.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: hurrikayne on December 03, 2008, 11:27:39 PM
Well, transferred, there's a lot of stuff that a vast number of us, specifically from Roloff's do NOT remember.  There's really nothing more I can add regarding that.  Connecting with people that have been there tends to help recover the memories...but not everything.  Seems like the only time everything is clear is left to the nightmares.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2009, 10:31:19 AM
lorrie's stories are true. my name is eric sharman. i soent 2 1/2 years in the anchor home for boys. i personally have no bad words against lester. his staff i have many things. lock-up, paddlings, denial of food, mental abuse, physical abuse, oh yea and dont forget about children that disappeared never to be heard from again. how do i know this. i was a throw away child. so anchor was my home away from home. i even answered the phone while working in the "front office" when i parent called for their monthly phone call. i wish i could have seen their faces when i told them he was sent home a few weeks prior, AND THE PARENTS HAD NO IDEA WHERE THEIR CHILD IS EVEN TO THIS DAY!!!!!! names forget it. those names will forever be burned in my mind. maybe on my deathbed will i reveal.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: hurrikayne on January 21, 2009, 11:41:37 PM
Hey hoof!  How you doing?
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: 1ofBro.Roloff'sgirls on April 22, 2009, 01:44:02 PM
I accidentally ran across this web site today,I'm 47 years old,when I was 15 I lived at Rebekah girls home,ran by Bro.Roloff,not willingly the first few months.The different statements concerning their "brainwashing",the way they"seperated"us from the world,is ALLTRUE, but,now that I look back they had to.To teach us a NEW way to think and live,to train ourselves in different ways to live other than rebellion,drugs,sex,dropping out of school........Bro.Roloff and his facility saved my life,when I did't talk to my family for30daysand only 3 day visit every 6mths. Now that this is some decades later,my dad loved me, I needed what Rebekah taught me. I have a child now that I feel the BRAINWASHING could help,I know what it did for me.People willtell you that,I'm not perfect,but I have a good moral compus,that comes from my days spent in Corpus Christi,TX.[many years ago] Thanks for your time
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: hurrikayne on April 22, 2009, 02:22:54 PM
Thanks for your input, I think the main difference in experiences, however, is those that followed him, ran things MUCH differently.  It was a tough environment when he ran things, possibly bordering on abuse.  It was definitely abusive after he was gone.
Title: New Bethany Home for Girls, Arcadia, Louisiana
Post by: Guest5432 on April 25, 2009, 07:46:58 PM
Quote from: "lorrispickelmire"
Casa by the Sea (ran by Mike Palmer)  New Bethany girls home is closed. It was run by the Fords.
25. New Bethany Home for Girls - Shreveport Louisiana

New Bethany Home for Girls, aka New Bethany Church, was not owned or run by Roloff or his minions.
Mack and Thelma Ford owned and ran New Bethany (nb), located in Arcadia, Louisiana.  
Mack Ford is a pedophile, and groups have formed to assist survivors of nb.

Mack and Roloff had similar beliefs and it seems that one of the times the Roloff home (Rebekah?) was closed, the girls were sent to nb in Arcadia, Louisiana.

I was at nb from '76 - '77. Some will admit that sexual abuse was an issue, others will deny the possibility [can't fix stupid].  I was contacted in 1998 by the DA or ADA in Shreveport and asked if I would testify against Mack Ford. I was more than willing but whatever the state of LA was trying to do must have been dropped.

Mack and Thelma Ford still live on the property in Arcadia.  
Mack is trying to sell the property for a sweet 2 M and the dumbass thinks he gets to pocket the money!

When a girl made an allegation of physical or sexual abuse, after a good beating and days and weeks of absolute silence, some would change their story.

We all have such great memories!~ NOT!~
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2009, 10:05:40 PM
My beloved sister, thank you for your honesty and for being open minded enough to se the reality. Watch for Douglas 73 to 74 on this forum.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2009, 11:36:48 PM
Douglas 73/74, Anchor Home

 These are the facts: These facts will upset many of you. Each of us in a certain age group, were placed in the girls/boys home via court order, or otherwise, to be taught the morals that we were lacking. Of course contact with family was not permited for a time, in order that we might ajust. Mail was censored for several or various reasons, ie escape plans, foul language, etc. Unwed mothers agreed that their child would be adopted, babies were not sold as atheiest.com implied. The trouble with the state of Texas began in 73. I know, I WAS THERE! I had escaped with two others, we were caught and returned. And given some licks as punishment. Days later, One of us three decided to escape again. I advised against it, due to all the rattle snakes and dangers of the desert area for this young man was not the rugged type. However, he insisted.
I reported him and having no other way to confine him, one wrist was cuffed to his headboard. He escaped that night, headboard and all. Broke the headboard and when caught, still had the headboard post cuffed to his wrist. He reported abuse and tainted food ( blackeyed pea sprouts, he called maggots ). The abuse was the seven or eight licks he got for running away. He clearly and grossly exagerated the facts because of the attention he was getting. We were swarmed with news media and DHR. Nearly all 70 boys freely stated that there was no abuse or bad food, etc. The superviser had told us to speak freely and honestly.
However DHR would not relent, for they like control and have never agreed with separation of church and state. When they failed to get the results they were after, they swarmed Lester's Home/ The Rebecca, with their unfounded abuse stories. And of course they found young people, like many of you were, who were bitter because their freedom had been taken away by the courts/parents, etc, who thought that getting their butt paddled was abuse. And who thought they were abused because there was no tv garbage for them to watch, and couldn't have all the junk food they wanted, who didn't want to learn about God and his love them. But rather do what they wanted, when they wanted, which is why they were there in the first place. These type youngsters made easy targets and were willing to say anything in hopes that they might get to go back home. I can not say that there was no abuse what so ever, but I will say this to whoever you are, that you lie, when you say that Lester and his wife abused you.
And to the man who claims that he worked in the office of the Anchor Home, I say may God have mercy on your lying soul. How dare you imply that boys were taken away, never to be heard from again. The only boys removed were the undesired homosexuals who were foumd out and placed in State Homes.
As a young man, I needed help for I was rebelious and loved my freedom as much as any of you. I had commited crimes and my attorney, Mark Turner, ( if his daughter is reading this, I say hello again ) ask the court to place me in the Anchor Home six month program, rather than stick me in a state home for two years. And I thank God he did!! At first, I hated it as you already know. But as I began to exercise some maturity, I could clearly see that the vast majority of these people were trying to teach me the true menaing of right and wrong. NOT brainwashing me. I too learned the books of the bible and moved on to bigger learnings,until I was able to embrace the fact that I was loved and cherished by God. For those of you who claim abuse, that call yourselves survivors, I knew Lester and came to love him and ALL he stood for. It is my belief that the vast majority of you refused the teaching that was offered and now have spent your petty lives spreading slanderous and vicious stories of a great and godly man. If any truely were abused, my heart goes out to you and I pray that the Lord severly punish all of you who have lied about your Roloff Home experience.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2009, 12:34:31 AM
What an amazing spew of sick shit.

My all-powerful imaginary friends can beat up your all-powerful imaginary friends.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Oscar on May 05, 2009, 03:36:16 AM
Dear merck.doug@yahoo.com

In fact you confirmed the abuse.

First corporal punishment. It doesn't work. It teaches violence.

Second the handcuffs. The only facility that should be allowed to use handcuffs is prisons for juvies. They dont belong in a TBS, RTC or a group home.

Third censorship of letters. If parents have decided to place their child out of home, they should at least be able to handle whatever text their child can write. Also in most states laws forbid to restrict communication between parent and child. In Kansas Meadowlark Academy got a warning for doing that.

If the kids were placed at the facility by the court system, then of course the police should be called if they tries to leave, but that was often not the case and if parents wants to place their child outside home, they should involve the social services. Often a problem child represent the result of some domestic problems back home. Problems which could be solved at home with the right kind of help.

Here in Denmark we have a phoneline where kids can call in and report problems at home. It is often 7 to 10 years old complaining about heavily drinking by their own parents. If such problems remain unadressed then you get so-called troubled teenagers. Sweden is a country in the process of outlawing bullying in school. If a child has been bullied this family can sue the school if they have not taken action. Bullying causes illness. Research shows that (http://http://www.bullyonline.org/stress/ptsd.htm).

I dont know how things were at home and what kind of actions which lead you to the Anchor Home. All I know is that we have discovered that fosterhomes and out-of-the-city placements are too expensive and produce too poor results compared with building a boarding school next to a public school, where kids who needs structure can live while going to school where they did go before, so they don't loose contact with their peers and the community can show each child that if you break the law, you end up in the boarding section. Has anyone calculated on the cost of having kids in juvies, TBS's, wilderness etc? They did it in Pahrump - Nevada (http://http://archive.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2008/Feb-15-Fri-2008/news/19730697.html).

Anchor Home was a place where abuse did go on. No question about that. That's why the state of Texas went after them.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2009, 01:02:39 PM
Having had a step-dad, I know what real abuse is. It sounds to me like most of you just got a paddling that you didn't like. When the Anchor temp. closed in 74,  I was the only boy left there. I went to the Valley with Homer and Harmon, where we lived for a time. I was later released into Tracy's custody. We lived and worked together for nearly a year until I was of legal age, therefore I know these men up close and personal. I hearby throw down the gauntlet and challenge anyone to tell me how they were abused by these persons'.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2009, 09:40:44 AM
god dude yer an idiot. i saw children beaten with belts, paddled and the precious bible they held so "dearly". i personally was placed in lock up for 3 days in the month of july with no food or drink (i drank the water from the toilet tank). i saw grown men teach children how to get away with raping other children(robert plath was the teacher). i know of 2 anchor boys that were" sent home" to only find out by those 2 boys parents that they never got home nor did their parents have any idea or knowledge of their kid being sent home. i knew the roloff family. lester never abused us when i was in his homes, he was just an old man. maybe i should discuss how i was thrown against a wall by my throat by a staff member named greg blood, why was i attacked you ask, cuz i didnt wake up fast enough. he yanked me out of bed and picked me up by my throat and slammed me up agaiasnt a cinderblock wall. i was in anchortraz from 82 to 85 in corpus christi. let me guess when you were there you spent most of yer time at the canal fishing. oh yes the canal where lighthouse men showed anchor boys what the words "prison rape" meant. i was at the canal once. i didnt even get to spend the nite there. i almost took out my potential rapists eye out with a fishing rod. so yes you are so right there was NEVER ANY KIND OF ABUSE IN THE HOMES. IT WAS LIKE BAND CAMP. i personally want to thank a few of the farm families for their part in keeping me safe and sane. the rest can kiss my ass and a few should consider themselves lucky that i didnt have the resources to find them 10 or 15 years ago. greg blood i hope i still find yer ass!!!!!!
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2009, 12:26:17 AM
You are talking about 2 different Anchor Homes. The 1 that Douglas was at was in Zapata TX. The 1 that Anchortraz was at was in Corpus Christi TX.  Anchortraz,  Bro. Roloff was killed in "82, so If you were there in '82-'85 what happen to you was not the way Bro. Rolloff would have wanted the homes to be ran. He would have NEVER put up with that.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: hurrikayne on May 08, 2009, 12:45:58 AM
Quote from: "Anchor X"
Bro. Roloff was killed in "82, so If you were there in '82-'85 what happen to you was not the way Bro. Rolloff would have wanted the homes to be ran. He would have NEVER put up with that.

I really must interject here, that THAT is precisely the point.  When Lester Roloff died, those who took over lost sight of his ideals.  He was a hard man, yes.  He was strict, was tough, and by today's standards even abusive himself, but not to the level that those who came after his death were.  

Just because your experience, or my experience was better or worse than someone elses does not mean they are lying, it means they went through something we did not.  If someone else went through an experience worse than yours, count yourself extremely lucky, if they had an easier time, thank God for them, maybe they couldn't have handled it as well as you handled your experience.  

I know enough survivors of the Homes to know that some of us are a little cracked around the edges because of the experience, some are cracked clean through, and others seem to have come through with grace and poise DESPITE the horrors they were subjected to.  We are all made different, we all have different perspectives, however, we all deserve the respect to tell our sides, without condemnation from someone else whose experience differed.

I'm quite sure Brother Roloff would not have wanted Faye Cameron to duct tape a girls hands & feet & leave her in lock-up in that condition, but she did it, the state of Texas documented it and she isn't allowed to be inside any facility which provides care to children in the state.  Google it.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2009, 09:48:15 AM
well if ya think like that about 2 different anchor homes than what about the anchor in missouri or montana or where it is now? they are all the same anchortraz. zapata, corpus and so forth. every kid had a different experience while in the homes, yes!!! anchor was better than being at home for me, but the fact is this children are children!!!!!
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Oscar on May 08, 2009, 02:51:41 PM
The present Anchor home is located in Missouri. It moved there from Montana when they were in the process of making tougher regulation. The regulation became a joke, but they didn't know at the time, so they moved into no-regulation land aka Missouri. Call the school fate-based and none care if kids are paddled or Osama himself teach how to wear fashion bomb belts.

Our datasheet for the present home looks like this (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Anchor_Academy).

The historical home was located in Texas but they left during the Christian Alamo. Here is our datasheet for that home (Nothing much) (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Anchor_Home_For_Boys).

From what you write your stories tell the important message of how dangerous it can be to create a group home or boarding school with the best intentions. How matter how great the place can  be and properly save children from abusive parents etc. it can be destroyed in seconds by just one staff. That's why future efforts to help kids must be done in the community. There are plenty of kids in needs - unfortunately, but we really need to focus on the factors that create problems rather than pulling kids out of the community whenever they end up in a situation caused by the community ifself. It is both cheaper and safer for all involved.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2009, 12:36:11 PM
Quote from: "Oscar"
The present Anchor home is located in Missouri. It moved there from Montana when they were in the process of making tougher regulation. The regulation became a joke, but they didn't know at the time, so they moved into no-regulation land aka Missouri. Call the school fate-based and none care if kids are paddled or Osama himself teach how to wear fashion bomb belts.

Our datasheet for the present home looks like this (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Anchor_Academy).

The historical home was located in Texas but they left during the Christian Alamo. Here is our datasheet for that home (Nothing much) (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Anchor_Home_For_Boys).

From what you write your stories tell the important message of how dangerous it can be to create a group home or boarding school with the best intentions. How matter how great the place can  be and properly save children from abusive parents etc. it can be destroyed in seconds by just one staff. That's why future efforts to help kids must be done in the community. There are plenty of kids in needs - unfortunately, but we really need to focus on the factors that create problems rather than pulling kids out of the community whenever they end up in a situation caused by the community ifself. It is both cheaper and safer for all involved.

I have read all your responses. I have made  contact with a person who was involved with the roloff entrps for many years, and we covered alot of ground thru the 70's and 80's. I found that after Lester died, things drastically changed. HIS policies were no longer followed. It became chaos within the homes. I beg forgiveness of all that I have spoken so rudely to, for I was completely unaware and based all my feelings on my own experience. Though many of you have been unjustly treated, Please know that this was never Lester's intention. Had he known of your plight, he would have put on his fighting britches and started dishing out knuckle sandwiches.
If I were able, I would embrace each abused person and try to bring you comfort. In closing, I ask that you noy turn away from Gods' love because of the wickedness of those who treated you unjustly. I truely love you all for we are brothers and sisters in that we were all there.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: TimScrivener on July 22, 2010, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: "Oscar"
The present Anchor home is located in Missouri. It moved there from Montana when they were in the process of making tougher regulation. The regulation became a joke, but they didn't know at the time, so they moved into no-regulation land aka Missouri. Call the school fate-based and none care if kids are paddled or Osama himself teach how to wear fashion bomb belts.

Our datasheet for the present home looks like this (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Anchor_Academy).

The historical home was located in Texas but they left during the Christian Alamo. Here is our datasheet for that home (Nothing much) (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Anchor_Home_For_Boys).

From what you write your stories tell the important message of how dangerous it can be to create a group home or boarding school with the best intentions. How matter how great the place can  be and properly save children from abusive parents etc. it can be destroyed in seconds by just one staff. That's why future efforts to help kids must be done in the community. There are plenty of kids in needs - unfortunately, but we really need to focus on the factors that create problems rather than pulling kids out of the community whenever they end up in a situation caused by the community ifself. It is both cheaper and safer for all involved.

Oscar, you can not speak with any authority as to what did or didn't actually happen at Anchor because you were not there. I I was at the People's Baptist Church ministry and I don't even know all that went on in Anchor. I do resent your reference to Osama and inferring that Roloff's is somehow similar in any way to the terrorist that strap bombs on their self and kill innocent people. The fact that you live in a country that you live in makes it easy to understand your liberal socialist views about corporal punishment. There are innumerable people all over the world that received corporal punishment and never became violent. On the other hand, I believe if you are raised without it you are just as prone if not more prone to violence than people who were raised with it.

Just because you found some information on the different ministries on the internet, definitely does not make you an expert on any of them.
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: TimScrivener on July 22, 2010, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: "anchortraz inmate"
god dude yer an idiot. i saw children beaten with belts, paddled and the precious bible they held so "dearly". i personally was placed in lock up for 3 days in the month of july with no food or drink (i drank the water from the toilet tank). i saw grown men teach children how to get away with raping other children(robert plath was the teacher). i know of 2 anchor boys that were" sent home" to only find out by those 2 boys parents that they never got home nor did their parents have any idea or knowledge of their kid being sent home. i knew the roloff family. lester never abused us when i was in his homes, he was just an old man. maybe i should discuss how i was thrown against a wall by my throat by a staff member named greg blood, why was i attacked you ask, cuz i didnt wake up fast enough. he yanked me out of bed and picked me up by my throat and slammed me up agaiasnt a cinderblock wall. i was in anchortraz from 82 to 85 in corpus christi. let me guess when you were there you spent most of yer time at the canal fishing. oh yes the canal where lighthouse men showed anchor boys what the words "prison rape" meant. i was at the canal once. i didnt even get to spend the nite there. i almost took out my potential rapists eye out with a fishing rod. so yes you are so right there was NEVER ANY KIND OF ABUSE IN THE HOMES. IT WAS LIKE BAND CAMP. i personally want to thank a few of the farm families for their part in keeping me safe and sane. the rest can kiss my ass and a few should consider themselves lucky that i didnt have the resources to find them 10 or 15 years ago. greg blood i hope i still find yer ass!!!!!!

I only want to comment on the two boys you say never got home. Have you considered the possibility that these boys didn't go home because they didn't want to? Maybe they didn't tell their parents they were out of Anchor because they were afraid they would just get sent somewhere else. I just can't believe that you're implying that these boys were killed at Anchor home. Do you really think something like that would happen and it not make national news? And do you not think there would be an investigation into their disappearance? You think someone wouldn't have been arrested and tried?
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anne Bonney on July 22, 2010, 12:19:12 PM
Quote from: "TimScrivener"
The fact that you live in a country that you live in makes it easy to understand your liberal socialist views about corporal punishment.


 :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


Why does it seem that all the religious nuts are extreme [F]rightwingers?  God, guns, country.  'Murica, love it or leave it.  OMG SOSHULISM, SEEKRIT MUSLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!  RUN FER YER LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anne Bonney on July 22, 2010, 12:54:20 PM
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "TimScrivener"
The fact that you live in a country that you live in makes it easy to understand your liberal socialist views about corporal punishment.


 :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


Why does it seem that all the religious nuts are extreme [F]rightwingers?  God, guns, country.  'Murica, love it or leave it.  OMG SOSHULISM, SEEKRIT MUSLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!  RUN FER YER LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Why is it that Anne the "12 stepcrafter" from Straight, who likes to smoke pot, drink excessively,

I do what now?  I've fully admitted 'partaking of the natural weed' but who ever said I drink excessively DannyBoi?  Making shit up again to defend your precious stepcraft.  The Stepcrafters seem to have some jealousy issues over people that can actually handle their alcohol.

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show her ass on a Web Site

Which is no doubt hanging on your bedroom wall.   Eeeeewwwwwwww!

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has a "porn pic" for a avatar,

You call that porn??  

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


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uses vulgar language

Oh no!!  I've been caught!  I use swear words.  OMG!!!  RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!

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and loves to attack men,

Only stupid men DannyBoi.  That's why I end up attacking you so much.  You're an irresistible target.


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excuses others of extremism.

Citation please.
Title: ....
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Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anne Bonney on July 22, 2010, 01:05:56 PM
Quote from: "DannyB II"

 
Anne your the best....   :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


 :eek:


I.......I........ummm...................I have no idea how to respond to this.  I'm very confused.  :ftard:  :seg2:
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Post by: DannyB II on July 22, 2010, 01:08:38 PM
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Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Post by: Joel on July 22, 2010, 01:13:41 PM
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anne Bonney on July 22, 2010, 01:18:27 PM
Quote from: "Joel"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "DannyB II"

 
Anne your the best....   :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


 :eek:


I.......I........ummm...................I have no idea how to respond to this.  I'm very confused.  :ftard:  :seg2:

Anne can you imagine how Danny's secretary at work feels?[/i]

 :jawdrop:

I can't imagine, with the way he writes, that he would qualify for any job that would require him to have a secretary.  But, then again, some of the bosses I've had run a close second to his illiteracy.
Title: ....
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Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Anne Bonney on July 22, 2010, 02:25:56 PM
Quote from: "DannyB II"

Well your a secretary so please tell us. One thing I do know Anne, just because you can construct a sentence properly and spell, does not mean that you are literate, it just means you know how to do your job so you don't get fired.

Well, here's the Webster definition so you tell me.  Does it fit?

Main Entry: illiterate
Pronunciation: (?)i(l)-?li-t(?-)r?t
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin illiteratus, from in- + litteratus literate
Date: 15th century

1 : having little or no education; especially : unable to read or write <an illiterate population>
2 a : showing or marked by a lack of familiarity with language and literature <an illiterate magazine> b : violating approved patterns of speaking or writing



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You type all day Anne, that is your job, please don't mistake this for having intelligence. Your a secretary at 45yrs old, with no ambition to move up.

Well, actually....I'm a paralegal.

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I know one thing about the women who work for me there college educated, their tops in their field of engineering and they don't sit around on a web site verbally masturbating with others all afternoon.

Nope, I wouldn't expect they do.  You seem to take care of that just fine, all by yourself.


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My secretaries also are college educated, I have (3) of them, one has been with me for almost 20 years (19yrs. and 7mons.),  my assistant holds a Masters in Business from Wharton, so yes I surround myself with very educated people to make up for my lack of education. I always thought that was a sign of a good businessman. My employees/friends don't seem to have the problem with my literacy, Anne and Joel.

Good for you.

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You two do, I wonder why that is, are both of you insecure, lack in self esteem, still trying to climb the proverbial ladder and just aren't getting anywhere or is it the same ole' reason here on fornits, I disagree with you and you find what ever weakness you perceive I have and exploit it.

Nah, it's just that your posts are almost unreadable.

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Well com'on have at it. I actually enjoy it along with others. Anne you bring a lot laughs.

Such a lengthy response to my post.  Musta hurt, huh?
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: TimScrivener on August 23, 2010, 04:00:34 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "TimScrivener"
The fact that you live in a country that you live in makes it easy to understand your liberal socialist views about corporal punishment.


 :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


Why does it seem that all the religious nuts are extreme [F]rightwingers?  God, guns, country.  'Murica, love it or leave it.  OMG SOSHULISM, SEEKRIT MUSLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!  RUN FER YER LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is it that you assign the terms "religious nut" "rightwinger" and lump me into Murica, love it or leave it.  OMG SOSHULISM, SEEKRIT MUSLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!  RUN FER YER LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! crowd? Could it be that you felt personally attack by my use of the term liberal socialist?
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: ray on April 27, 2012, 11:35:26 AM
Hi I was on the light. House in the mid 90's under Wiley Cameron jr and yes I was disciplined never spanked or beaten. I was too much for my parents to handle and stayed in trouble with the law when my own family couldn't deal with me they found a place and people to pawn me off on (the light house)I stayed in trouble when I arrived at the light house,people say that we are shy sweet kids that's a joke no we were not there was I kid who was 16 and molested his 6 year old sister other probated for violent crimes and such we weren't choirboys when we got there by no means we were kids who parents couldn't or just didn't want to deal with I never saw any abuse I can't speak for the woman or girls homes just the light house.I am a well rounded person with a decent job and loving wife and kids. I still talk with jr.if anyone has a question please ask I will answer if I can this my opinion and experience. Of the home.oh yea and I was taught the value of being a hard worker also and at my 6 month visit when no one from my family came to visit. Wiley and Carla too me out to eat and to the mall and spent there money on me hmmm sounds like real wicked. People. And I seen this happen to a few people.



Also if you have a question email me at : offshore_ray@live.com
And I will send you my phone number and we can talk like I said it was great for me I find some of the things posted  here unbelievable be wise of my experince there but can't speak of the girls homes
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Horatio. on April 27, 2012, 02:06:29 PM
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Joel"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "DannyB II"

 
Anne your the best....   :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


 :eek:


I.......I........ummm...................I have no idea how to respond to this.  I'm very confused.  :ftard:  :seg2:

Anne can you imagine how Danny's secretary at work feels?[/i]

 :jawdrop:

I can't imagine, with the way he writes, that he would qualify for any job that would require him to have a secretary.  But, then again, some of the bosses I've had run a close second to his illiteracy.

Well your a secretary so please tell us. One thing I do know Anne, just because you can construct a sentence properly and spell, does not mean that you are literate, it just means you know how to do your job so you don't get fired. You type all day Anne, that is your job, please don't mistake this for having intelligence. Your a secretary at 45yrs old, with no ambition to move up.

I know one thing about the women who work for me there college educated, their tops in their field of engineering and they don't sit around on a web site verbally masturbating with others all afternoon.
My secretaries also are college educated, I have (3) of them, one has been with me for almost 20 years (19yrs. and 7mons.),  my assistant holds a Masters in Business from Wharton, so yes I surround myself with very educated people to make up for my lack of education. I always thought that was a sign of a good businessman. My employees/friends don't seem to have the problem with my literacy, Anne and Joel.

You two do, I wonder why that is, are both of you insecure, lack in self esteem, still trying to climb the proverbial ladder and just aren't getting anywhere or is it the same ole' reason here on fornits, I disagree with you and you find what ever weakness you perceive I have and exploit it.
Well com'on have at it. I actually enjoy it along with others. Anne you bring a lot laughs.
Another bag of Bennison bullshit

Have you ever told the truth about anything, ever?
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Horatio. on April 27, 2012, 02:15:29 PM
Daniel ee Bennison is a flooring bum day laborer in Oklahoma City. He was a flooring bum in Georgia, but his wife kicked his ass to the curb when she wised up and got tired of the abuse.That's when the house was foreclosed on. I can only imagine how horribly you treated her, Mister Ex ass director
Title: Re: Roloffs
Post by: Oscar on November 19, 2014, 10:18:58 AM
Statement from a former student from Farmers Christian Academy Girls Home (http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Farmers_Christian_Academy_Girls_Home):

Quote from: KaseyLynn95
I am a former girl of Farmer Christian Academy and I would like to share my experience with everyone. I was one of the earlier girls to come in the home and I stayed there for a year. I can honestly say it was the worst year of my life. There was a lot of favoritism played at this girls home and several girls were treated unfairly. While being in church a lot always gave me more spiritual guidance, the traveling was absolutely ridiculous. We would wake up at 3 or 4 AM and go to Tennessee and stay for the morning and night service and then would drive back that night and have to be up for school the next morning. Also, a lot of rules implemented at the home were not biblical at all. Several rules were based off of preference by dorm advisor Crystal Fields. Crystal fields had a very negative attitude towards certain girls and she refused to counsel them as she expressed falsely that we only wanted attention. Also, does the Bible not say "make a joyful noise unto The Lord?" While we were always traveling, we were know for our singing group. God values the Christian that sings for him from the heart no matter how they sound, but Crystal gave the microphones to certain people and made others feel as if they weren't good enough to praise God. There were a few girls that could not sing very well and they knew they couldn't, but they still wanted to sing in front of the church for their Savior, but Crystal commanded them to lip sing so they wouldn't mess up the rest of the group. Also, your child will never be able to talk to you without supervision. All phone calls last exactly 15 minutes and you get one phone call every 2 weeks. You can also send and receive letters, but those are read before they are sent or given to the girl. If Crystal or the staff feels there is something you or your daughter shouldn't see they will scratch it out with sharpie. When you finally get to see your daughter after 6 months don't think you will get to have a private conversation with her. Crystal sticks so close that she can hear your inner thoughts. FCA has also had several staff members leave. Does that tell you something? There are a lot of unknown things about Farmer Christian Academy that parents should know before they submit their daughter there. As a former student there, I do NOT recommend FCA to any parent. I'm against this home so strongly that I wouldn't even send my dog there! If you want your daughter to get some real, Godly help, look into Victorious Valley Christian Girls Home. That home is based solely on Christ.

Source (http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Farmer.Christian.Academy.336-857-4673)