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« on: March 09, 2004, 06:07:00 PM »
Corruption
Posted: 2004-03-09 14:53:00
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Well. I'm with you too Ginger. I really see merit in that ideology. And, I don't see how we can get around the notion of social-Darwinism either. It is, after all, the law of nature.
I am curious ,however, about your view on boarding schools and the investors and corporate interests that support them? When it comes to survival of the fittest, or, better yet, survival of the strongest, richest and meanest, and that is the way nature operates whether we like it or not. Aren't these corporate giants and money-grubbibg boarding school investors the proverial lion eating the proverbial gazelle kids? Is this not pure unfettered capitalism. Why, Capitalism ain't fettered much in Idaho. That's why we have so many abusive programs.
With regard to the corporation, history is replete with unregulated people, and it would seem that a small group of the strongest and meansest always get the most resources and use them to rule the peasent masses. And, that is how capatalism unfettered really works.
How would we prevent, as free people, the amassing the resources by the few (food, energy, land, water and influence that we need and will have to bargain for as the prices go up and up)?
What about the natural pack instinct. Humanoid packs are led by local warlords who then arm themselves to protect and guard the resourses from those who would take them. Then, scarcity drives prices up (suppply and demand). Competition then comes in to thwart this. But, the warlords fight for teritory and markets and someone wins. Remember Al Capone. Remember the Gambino family, prohibition the Sandanistas ad infinitum. The guys just killed the competition -capatallism unfetered it was. We Installed the Shah of Iran, We built the Talaban to fight in Russia. We installed Sadbam Hussin. We made Kadaffi what he is. We installed a dictator in Panama - see the movie Bowling for Colombine. Laugh your ass off about what a bunch of bullshit we feed our citizens and how we instill fear for fun and profit through media. I am pro gun ownership - so is this movie. Its just not pro bullshit.
And so, it has been said that "power corrupts and abosolute power corrupts abosulutely."
I worry that human nature is mean, and the less powerful will be used to forward the purposes of the powerful as history shows. Many will stand by and watch the carnage. Do you think I will? They will let social Darwinism take its place. I would be one of the strong ones - except for one weakness. And, in the natural order, it is a weakness. My compassion for others would be my demise.
I look, therefore, to you and your generation to find a way remove government and regulation preserving justice. I will be gone. I look to you to choose to preserve or diminish our natural weakness, that instinct that we MUST not have if we are to survive in the jungle - compassion.
Would the purist preserve it, and, if so, how? This is retorical, I know, but aren't we really trying to protect ourselves from ourselves? And, if left to our own devises would we not destroy ourselves, by exploiting each other? Remember slavery? It still exists. The powerful provide us with enough to feed and house ourselves and take everything else - all the fruits of our labor. Are not many of us, therefore, slaves in unregulated capatalism? There are many third world examples of capatalism unfetered.
The beginnings of America in New York, the Civil War, slavery, The demise of the Native American. All the result of Greed. Yes i'll stick with Democracy, but pure Capatalism - no way. tweaking.
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"This country was founded by slave owners who wanted to be free." "SLAVE OWNERS WHO WANTED TO BE FREE!!!!" - We came over here in those boats and met the natives, ate with em and then said move over. We took their gifts. Then we kicked them aside and said "move over." "Bring in the stuff boys." We kept pushing them over and moving them over and moving in the stuff and more stuff. We tortured and killed a bunch of "witches" so we could teach the native Ametican a "civilized religion." We kidnaped their kids, took their culture, language and religion, beat the bad ones "you know, the savages who weren't civilized." We kicked the French out of the South. We killed a bunch more Indian kids and women and took our civility to the Mexicans in Texas, California, New Mexico and Arizona. We killed a bunch of them (We took their land and resources)but we paid em a little bit -(bless us). Hey, we bought Alsska for a few bucks - ....they had a choice..pppppp. We kept saying, "Move over, bring in the stuff." We went to Africa in boats and took fathers and mothers from their children - in chains so they could pick our cotten because "its so hot out there, i just hate that work." Then we were forced to free them - ha ha. So, we could beat em with clubs, shoot fire hoses at them and hang them from trees for having the audacity to want to sit in the front of a bus, for wanting a good education and the right to vote. Then we got the Native Americans shoved out on to Alcatraz. Now "I guess we're going to send them back where they came from" And then the redneck says: "Yeah put them welfare people to work filling in the Bering Straight and charge them Indians a buck a head to go home" --- Some George Carlin (1970s) some mine.
Capatilism -- yee haw? -- With a choice like that, I'll take Democratic Socialism as in England, Australia and Canada any time.
We are the tyrants. We are the assholes of the world. I don't Canada kicking the shit out of everybody with a different ideology. I don't see Austrailia them jamming their ideology down other peoples throats. I do see their dumb english president and our retarded president smart-bombing first century peasants back to BC. But, I don't see them Sweden stealing Arab culture and imposing theirs on the rest of the world - to get their resourses and industry to fund an imperialist expansionism of capatalism for profit. And, all while pretending to hold dear the principls of freedon of religion, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, freedom of speach, freedom to believe, and say what you think. BULLSHIT.
We don't want these things for the rest of the world any more. We don't take "your huddled masses" any more. We only want rights for ourselves - and, now, only if you can pay for them.
So, I say to Bush, You have made the whole world hate us - and why shouldn't they. I have two bumber stickers on my car Bush. One says: "INVEST IN AMERICA - BUY A CONGRESSMAN." The other says: "NO FLAG IS BIG ENOUGH TO COVER UP THE SHAME OF KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE." It has an upside down American flag partially covering a bloody hand print. I'm not "PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN," -- IM ASHAMED. And though it would be convenient for me to care what people think about that. Although it would benifit me to care what people think, at least one molacule worth of care about what what people think, I don't care at all what anybody thinks - not at all.
Ginger, again, It can work, but I think it needs some tweakin.
Posted: 2004-03-09 14:53:00
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Well. I'm with you too Ginger. I really see merit in that ideology. And, I don't see how we can get around the notion of social-Darwinism either. It is, after all, the law of nature.
I am curious ,however, about your view on boarding schools and the investors and corporate interests that support them? When it comes to survival of the fittest, or, better yet, survival of the strongest, richest and meanest, and that is the way nature operates whether we like it or not. Aren't these corporate giants and money-grubbibg boarding school investors the proverial lion eating the proverbial gazelle kids? Is this not pure unfettered capitalism. Why, Capitalism ain't fettered much in Idaho. That's why we have so many abusive programs.
With regard to the corporation, history is replete with unregulated people, and it would seem that a small group of the strongest and meansest always get the most resources and use them to rule the peasent masses. And, that is how capatalism unfettered really works.
How would we prevent, as free people, the amassing the resources by the few (food, energy, land, water and influence that we need and will have to bargain for as the prices go up and up)?
What about the natural pack instinct. Humanoid packs are led by local warlords who then arm themselves to protect and guard the resourses from those who would take them. Then, scarcity drives prices up (suppply and demand). Competition then comes in to thwart this. But, the warlords fight for teritory and markets and someone wins. Remember Al Capone. Remember the Gambino family, prohibition the Sandanistas ad infinitum. The guys just killed the competition -capatallism unfetered it was. We Installed the Shah of Iran, We built the Talaban to fight in Russia. We installed Sadbam Hussin. We made Kadaffi what he is. We installed a dictator in Panama - see the movie Bowling for Colombine. Laugh your ass off about what a bunch of bullshit we feed our citizens and how we instill fear for fun and profit through media. I am pro gun ownership - so is this movie. Its just not pro bullshit.
And so, it has been said that "power corrupts and abosolute power corrupts abosulutely."
I worry that human nature is mean, and the less powerful will be used to forward the purposes of the powerful as history shows. Many will stand by and watch the carnage. Do you think I will? They will let social Darwinism take its place. I would be one of the strong ones - except for one weakness. And, in the natural order, it is a weakness. My compassion for others would be my demise.
I look, therefore, to you and your generation to find a way remove government and regulation preserving justice. I will be gone. I look to you to choose to preserve or diminish our natural weakness, that instinct that we MUST not have if we are to survive in the jungle - compassion.
Would the purist preserve it, and, if so, how? This is retorical, I know, but aren't we really trying to protect ourselves from ourselves? And, if left to our own devises would we not destroy ourselves, by exploiting each other? Remember slavery? It still exists. The powerful provide us with enough to feed and house ourselves and take everything else - all the fruits of our labor. Are not many of us, therefore, slaves in unregulated capatalism? There are many third world examples of capatalism unfetered.
The beginnings of America in New York, the Civil War, slavery, The demise of the Native American. All the result of Greed. Yes i'll stick with Democracy, but pure Capatalism - no way. tweaking.
quote)
"This country was founded by slave owners who wanted to be free." "SLAVE OWNERS WHO WANTED TO BE FREE!!!!" - We came over here in those boats and met the natives, ate with em and then said move over. We took their gifts. Then we kicked them aside and said "move over." "Bring in the stuff boys." We kept pushing them over and moving them over and moving in the stuff and more stuff. We tortured and killed a bunch of "witches" so we could teach the native Ametican a "civilized religion." We kidnaped their kids, took their culture, language and religion, beat the bad ones "you know, the savages who weren't civilized." We kicked the French out of the South. We killed a bunch more Indian kids and women and took our civility to the Mexicans in Texas, California, New Mexico and Arizona. We killed a bunch of them (We took their land and resources)but we paid em a little bit -(bless us). Hey, we bought Alsska for a few bucks - ....they had a choice..pppppp. We kept saying, "Move over, bring in the stuff." We went to Africa in boats and took fathers and mothers from their children - in chains so they could pick our cotten because "its so hot out there, i just hate that work." Then we were forced to free them - ha ha. So, we could beat em with clubs, shoot fire hoses at them and hang them from trees for having the audacity to want to sit in the front of a bus, for wanting a good education and the right to vote. Then we got the Native Americans shoved out on to Alcatraz. Now "I guess we're going to send them back where they came from" And then the redneck says: "Yeah put them welfare people to work filling in the Bering Straight and charge them Indians a buck a head to go home" --- Some George Carlin (1970s) some mine.
Capatilism -- yee haw? -- With a choice like that, I'll take Democratic Socialism as in England, Australia and Canada any time.
We are the tyrants. We are the assholes of the world. I don't Canada kicking the shit out of everybody with a different ideology. I don't see Austrailia them jamming their ideology down other peoples throats. I do see their dumb english president and our retarded president smart-bombing first century peasants back to BC. But, I don't see them Sweden stealing Arab culture and imposing theirs on the rest of the world - to get their resourses and industry to fund an imperialist expansionism of capatalism for profit. And, all while pretending to hold dear the principls of freedon of religion, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, freedom of speach, freedom to believe, and say what you think. BULLSHIT.
We don't want these things for the rest of the world any more. We don't take "your huddled masses" any more. We only want rights for ourselves - and, now, only if you can pay for them.
So, I say to Bush, You have made the whole world hate us - and why shouldn't they. I have two bumber stickers on my car Bush. One says: "INVEST IN AMERICA - BUY A CONGRESSMAN." The other says: "NO FLAG IS BIG ENOUGH TO COVER UP THE SHAME OF KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE." It has an upside down American flag partially covering a bloody hand print. I'm not "PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN," -- IM ASHAMED. And though it would be convenient for me to care what people think about that. Although it would benifit me to care what people think, at least one molacule worth of care about what what people think, I don't care at all what anybody thinks - not at all.
Ginger, again, It can work, but I think it needs some tweakin.