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The Seed Discussion Forum / Hello everybody !!!!!!!!!!
« on: May 13, 2002, 09:13:00 AM »
And HEllo to you as well. I am so happy to be finally meeting survivors of the Seed. The horror show that was the seed was my little private shamfull secret for years and years. I have now "outed" myself to friends and even my own children, and I feel so much better.
As for Art & Co, they know about us and in my opinion, are feeling the shame they heaped on us big time. Art has been donating money feverishly to charity and recently closed the seed.
Welcome to our forum, and if you want to remain anonymous, pick a fake name or use only your first name.

The Seed Discussion Forum / just a thought
« on: May 11, 2002, 07:14:00 PM »
I have read my new friends debi and Marc's posts below. the post traumatic stress that occurs for years and years- post seed seems to always involve a sense of worthlessness,  distrust of others, and deep shame for submitting to the cultism that indeed is the seed. We  sat there and secretly admired those whom would not submit and burned shame deep into our innermost secret places for not being strong enough to resist, for not being brave enough to leave, for being to scared to vocalize the truth, and for not being noble enough to stand up and make them stop when they were sexually humiliating some child in front of us or slamming some kid to the conrete whom was brave enough to try and run from the insanity. Then we sat there and sang with the most genuine smile we could muster love songs to our captors and tried to believe the lies we told  ourselves so we would not lose our sanity.  Once we left and started openly rejecting the Cult, something inside continued to tell us we were worthless and useless people. This awfull self-depreciating destructive cycle was further aggravated by the loss of our still cult believing families for finally taking a stand.  Our childhoods were savagely yanked from underneath us and we were forced to deal with the lasting impressions of techniques formerly only practiced on adult prisoners of war in far away countries like Korea and China.
 Tragically, many people never recovered and dear Friends like Dave leverone, Chris, and others not named or unknown never survived into adulthood. Other's decades later still carry the scars and shame, and the legacy of the seed continues today in programs like Safe, Pathways, and scores of other copycat programs.

I want to redirect this errant shame we all took with us back to where it really belongs, to the perpetrators of this great american fraud that the synanon bestowed on Art whom then bestowed on us and all generations since.  Shame on you libby,Art, Shelly, Susie, and the rest of our childhood tormentors.

The Seed Discussion Forum / The picture has dissapeared
« on: May 11, 2002, 04:29:00 PM »
The link to the canine companion article that showed Art, Libby, and Shelly donating dirty money to the dogs now no longer shows the picture. I went into their archives and all mention of the teenage torture dog dollars has dissapeared? I wonder if this was at the request of the Barker's?  Curious indeed.
Did anyone have the presence of mind to save the pic and article?

The Seed Discussion Forum / THE SEED SUCKS
« on: May 10, 2002, 08:19:00 PM »
Welcome Debi and Marc..

When I first found the straight survivors group several years ago, it was 5 or six people that shared a bad experience in straight. They kind of thought that the seed was a kinder better place, but I educated them on the truth. I told them about the beatings, the kids thrown to concrete floors, and how the straight was directly lifted from the seed, and how we were sleep and food derived and subjected to sexual humiliation,etc. They knew the parents of the seed st pete had started the straight, (including my father) but the didn't know that the exact formula was taken from the seed. Did you know the first staff members of the straight were graduates of the seed from Lakewood High? email me if you want to know their names. Anyway, I am available on this forum or at,and I am excited to meet my fellow survivors.

Debi, Welcome. I probably know you, or you know my sister frieda, or my step siblings shirley and Mark Simpson. We were all there. I would love to talk to you. Email me at Sorry I haven't been here for a while, but life has been busy.

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / To any former Seedlings out there
« on: May 09, 2002, 08:13:00 PM »
I was there. WHo are you?  email me at

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Bingo
« on: April 01, 2002, 12:10:00 AM »
Bingo is at once disturbing and brilliant. It was written by a guy named Greg Kotis, whom has friends whom were in a synanon up north.. I emailed Mr. Kotis some 1 or 1.5 years ago and he claimed no connection, but we sure pissed off those people over at Elan when Ginger and I started asking questions and poking around trying to get to the bottom of it.
Oh yeah, Ginger just stumbled on it one day and I vowed to make a connection to the program. One day I was "come down on" by one major asshole on the Elan board, a Guy named Ben "the Weasel" Foster. I looked up his website (he plays in a punk rock band) and found a link to on his website to the Neo Futurists. one of his bandmembers is an actor in the troupe. and the Group originated the play, written by Greg Kotis. Greg now has a play on broadway called Urintown that has gotten critical acclaim. Ben is still an asshole last I checked...

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!!
« on: February 11, 2002, 01:06:00 PM »
Me either, That crap about how something was cool, who likes this or that, etc is juvenile. Recently Don posted that an argument had gotten out of hand and that, "Rap is over, let's have a song"
EEEEEWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!  Leave me out of this kinda program thinkspeak, PLUEEESE..

Sometimes really intelligent, well thought out points are made there, and then someone  will come back with really weak stuff
Ex:  "i would expect that from someone whom doesn't believe in god"
I have a theory that the really weak and truly  not intelligent are more likely  to march the program line, Seed, straight, AA, whatever.

Perhaps a new board called Straight alumni survivors is in order....

The Seed Discussion Forum / I heard ART retired
« on: February 08, 2002, 10:08:00 PM »
Well, as you can tell, Shelly is a bit younger than Art. I believe she was in the program and married Art. When I was in the Seed, Libbi was Libbi McDonald, and she was senior staff of the St Pete Seed. She seemed to run the place, but no one really knew as Art Flew in weekly. Somewhere in there, she was adopted by Art and Shelly and became Libbi Barker. She now goes by Libbi Barker Kienzle, as she has been married to another seedling for some 20 years. I was contacted by his sister last year to try to get him to call home. Seems he has cut all ties with his family also.
  So actually, Shelly is his wife, and Libbi is their "Daughter".
Apparantly, they are still one big happy family.
Clear it up?
I think this little essay best described the difference between the seed and the straight. The straight was a cult like place. The seed, an actual cult.

The Seed Discussion Forum / I heard ART retired
« on: February 06, 2002, 05:11:00 PM »
No, you gotta give credit where credit is due. Art pioneered the synanon concept for non addicted youthfull drug experimenters, and was direct inspiration for the straight. Most of the other synanon's never had the far reaching power that the Seed and then the straight seemed to garner.
As far as Art, libbi, and shelly being spooky, hell ya, just look at that picture, but I no longer feared them once I broke away from my father. He yielded the power to put me there, and when I took that away from him, Art & co became powerless. Ken is right, I should have thrown his ass in the pool.

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!!
« on: January 29, 2002, 08:28:00 PM »
I feel your pain.  You cannot buy an intelligent conversation over there.

Hello everyone. I just got back from Costa Rica yesterday. What a great place to vacation.

Anyway, on my way out in Tampa airport, my friend and I were in line at the ticket booth when the man in front of us got disoriented and started stumbling around. I grabbed his arm and asked him if he was ok, and he couldn't coherently respond. I calmy asked a nearby attendent to get an ambulance and laid him down on the floor and started monitoring his breathing, which was stable, but he was now not conscious.
All of a sudden, a man about 25 walks up briskly, takes off his shirt,underneath was a bright yellow shirt emblazzoned with "VOLUNTEER MINISTER" on the front and back, and he confidently removes everyone from around the disabled man. He then squatted over him and told everyone to be quiet, and proceeded to start poking him all over asking, can you feel this, can you feel this, etc, seemingly randomly poking him all over his body while squatting over him, his big ass almost in the guy's face.  The guy started coming to about this time, shook off the cobwebs, a wheelchair arrived, and he decided not to take an ambulance. It was about now that I noticed on the sleeve of the "minister" the words "Church of Scientology" in small print, and I said out loud, "Hey, this guy has no medical training, he is in the cult scientology"
Someone from the airport security asked him if he was a paramedic and he said no, they asked him if he had medical training and he said no. Someone else asked him what happened, and he said "the man fainted"  I blurted "he did not, I was right there" and he said, "I guess your right".  He then started trying to pass out scientology pamphlets and most people just looked at him funny. We last saw him as we boarded our plane walking up to people passing out scientology stuff. My friend whom has no background in cults, thought the whole thing totally weird and made fun of him for at least three days.

Just thought I would share.

an Excerpt from the brochure:

"  Speakers with impeccable credentials.....will demonstrate....that...drugs and the criminal that manage them CAN BE BEATEN!
(emphasis taken verbatim)

Yes, AARC and DFAF, formerly known as Straight, Inc,  Many of us have witnessed this first hand, that is, being called criminals and being beat down, both literally and verbally, by your highly questionable "rehabilitation" methods.

So, AARC, the Kinder gentler Kids, which was the new and improved Straight, which was the much improved Seed, is caught in bed with their pants around their respective knees, with Straight, Inc.' new moniker, DFAF.

Why am I not surprised?

The Seed Discussion Forum / Old post from The Gulag website
« on: January 03, 2002, 04:59:00 PM »
I found this post elsewhere on the web. It sounds very familiar, all except that last part which I doubt is true:

I was abducted by The Seed in Miami Fla. when I was 15. My parents gave custody over to them, I was removed from school & turned into a 'good kid' & remained 'good' until I turned 18.

My parents friends had a daughter who I'd met once. She told them she "knew" I was on drugs & that The Seed could help me. I was using drugs but IMO [in my opinion] was not outta control. I had a part time job at the time that my dad used to drive me to. He told me one day that he had to pick up a couple people to drive up there.

He stopped at a house & picked up these two HUGE guys, & they both got into the back seat with me, one on either side, me in the middle. It was at that point that my dad told me there was a change of plans. They took me to a Blimp Hanger (Goodyear) where this Org. had been donated space. It had about 1000 kids in it on metal folding chairs. Boys on one side, girls on the other. They talked to us 12 hours a day, made us sit in these chairs the whole time, with no bathrooms.

They gave us PB&J & bug-juice (peanut butter and jelly and watered-down kool-aid) for breakfast, lunch & dinner. I was put into a foster-home with about 12 other boys. The foster-folks kept us up for more hours, talking to us. I ran away the 2nd day & was captured by the foster-folks, They grabbed me in a public place & nobody did nothin' to stop 'um. It was at this point that I became VERY untrusting of ANYBODY!

I acted very sorry for running, had my hair cut short that day & 'became' one of them to survive. I was allowed to go back to school after about 3 weeks. I was forbidden from speaking to my old friends except to say, "I love you, or The Seed loves you." I was watched very closely by everyone...there were about 16 other 'seedlings' in my school. We talked very little. It was impossible to confide in any of them because we didn't know who was a spy.

I "graduated" after 5 mos & 8 days. I stayed straight until I turned 18, then became an alcoholic. I kicked booze at 20 & started shooting drugs.., never did BEFORE the Seed! I kicked coke & heroin at 24. -- The Seed was closed down because the owner was busted for selling cocaine.

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