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Ok, well its been a while since I offered anything of any substance on this forum so I believe its time for alittle academic exercise.

If there is one thing that gets my blood boiling its when christians develop programs in the industry and sling around God's name like he has something to do with the harm and pain a child faces on a regular basis in places like these. I hate it when they claim to be christian and doing God's work, because if there is one thing they are not doing its Gods work.

Because of my schooling and some of my studies I have a unique abilty to combat those that claim to be doing the work of God. So, what follows is a Biblical commentary on Magnolia Christian Center.

If you will orient your self to this web page please.


You can take a look at their camp quicky, a 30 to 60 day boot camp like program meant for instant obidence.

Magnolia Christian Center offers a new type of camp designed for the teenage boy who needs immediate intervention by trained instructors to teach discipline, respect, and pride in young men who are headed for trouble. The focuses on structure, discipline, and exercise to reach troubled teens who might not respond to other programs.

Ok, now, some would ask, so what, sounds all good and bible like, dicipline, respect, pride. But the fact of the mater is not what it teaches, but how it tries to teach it. If you consider the idea of a camp like this, with a 30 to 60 day time table, it is a quick fix issue. This quick fix is not what God looks for. God does not look for obidence. God looks for a change in heart, and God looks for love. You cannot have discipline, respect, or pride if there is not underlying principle support. Principles can only be developed in the long term and not with one hour of core value trainning a day. Obidence does not fix humanity, love does, this program seems to be lacking.

Moving on to next section

Please observe the picture on this section of the young man looking alittle severe. I dont know if this is part of the disapline camp, but chritianity is hardly militant, and I quiet firmly disagree with orginizations that try to mix the two.
Moving down the page I direct your attention to the fact youth attend devotional groups. Forcing any youth to attend a church service, devotional group, or whatever, is very much against some basic christian principles. The Christian God is a God of choice, either you chose to do what he wishes you to, or you don't, God does not force indviduals to complete mundain tasks under the new covenant. We are useless to God if we are joyless and are forced to attend biblical services.

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More of the same about being forced to go to a church service, but I would like to point out that they are given by a Brother, a person with no professional theological education, which as a teacher, can open up the doors to herecy and false teaching. If the school is teaching large groups of students there should be some one with formal theological trainning.

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In this section we see a major warning sign for any program, I draw your attention to number two.
2. Exhibit a strong feeling of pride in the program and in his beliefs.

The three words... "In the program" seem alittle uncomfortable to me.

and number nine

9. Displays an instant and willing response to orders.

This part worries me theologically because scripture tells us to "Render to Ceaser what is Ceaser's" Which basicly means follow the rules of an earthly athority, but there is a limit... "Render to God what is God's" (its all one verse by the way, for those that dont know) and that God is no longer a God of rules and regulations, but one of relationships. Great biblical men did not have Instant and willing responce to orders, and still managed to work for God, infact, many Great scriptual men had athority issues. (Abraham, Moses, David)

That covers anything of the site worth much, thank you. I hope you have found this interesting. Comments? Questions?

Oh, I almost forgot the most important part! Spanking is unethical if not done by parents, you cant pass that responsiblity off. Under the New covenant spanking is not made unethical but its not really supported either. Under the Abrahamic Covenant one could kill a unrulely child, I dont think Magnolia Christian Center would like to be accused of following that biblical principle.

These are all my opinions.

Vision Quest / VisionQuest state director leader of cocaine smugglers
« on: March 08, 2007, 01:59:15 PM »
Bahahah!!! looks like some one wanted to go on a vison quest of their own.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Attribution, please
« on: March 08, 2007, 01:54:02 PM »
"[they] behave with stereotypical predictability. Like clones stamped out in some satanic laboratory, they share an underlying selfishness and similar ways of demonstrating it. "

Does any one else find it absurd that an individual post world war two baby boomer generation is calling someone else selfish? The individual that wrote this came from that generation and they are considered one of the most selfish generations in history.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Tattoo Kid and the Programmies from Hell
« on: February 15, 2007, 10:39:27 PM »
I would buy you a drink if I was not a poor college student.

I simply disagree, I think that any one who acts in the name of god but then does something wrong should be punished worse than someone who acts on his own. In scripture it says that teachers of the word would be judged more harshly than others. This is of course because they are suposed to know what they are talking about.

Moving on, TWS, bite it man,just because someone does something in the name of God does not mean its a relfection of God.

The Troubled Teen Industry / religious commentators & the industry
« on: February 13, 2007, 12:01:01 PM »
Ask TWS, he knows... I cant really discuss it.

This is what frustrates me the most out of anything in the whol flaming industry. I hate, and I dont use that word lightly here, hate, those that claim do to things in the name of God. I hate the self rightousness of these programs that say they are God centered by abuse others just as much, if not more, than others who claim to not have anything to do with Jesus.

These people claim that they were constantly under attack, I mean come on, where there is smoke there is fire. And why is it whenever some one attacks a program its done by a "discruntled" parent. And ST complains about spin!

In Summary.... I hate people that claim to behave in the steps of God and hurt people.

The Troubled Teen Industry / religious commentators & the industry
« on: February 12, 2007, 11:59:31 AM »
My direct activism kind of stoped after a unforutnate event last year.

The Troubled Teen Industry / religious commentators & the industry
« on: February 12, 2007, 11:32:55 AM »

The Troubled Teen Industry / religious commentators & the industry
« on: February 12, 2007, 11:31:56 AM »
How extreamly disapointing that such a man as Dr. Dobson would surround him self with people such as these. They seem to be doing a very good job of insolating him from everything but abortion and gay marrage issues.

I'm sure Dr.Dobson cares, you just have to cut through the beurocracy to get there.

P.S. there is no such thing as the religious left, just the heritcial left.

The Troubled Teen Industry / religious commentators & the industry
« on: February 11, 2007, 11:17:34 AM »
Yes, inform us, im interested in the exhange, what was said, how was it done? were you mean? was she mean? information man!

The Troubled Teen Industry / Inner Harbor and my church
« on: February 09, 2007, 12:01:06 PM »
I was being a mix of sarcastic and hateful, and yes, I hate trolls.

And yes, I dont care much about spelling, and good lord almighty thats alot of research for me just forgetting to log in.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Inner Harbor and my church
« on: February 09, 2007, 09:59:53 AM »
Oh yes, because thats a perfectly cogent responce. Because its so mature, witty, useful, and pointed.

God I hate you annons, your all cowards, put a screen name on and throw up some contact information and be mature and held to account for what you say.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Inner Harbor and my church
« on: February 09, 2007, 09:00:13 AM »
Well real world, I do believe that the first thing I would like to say is "Bite me you annon freak" The next thing I would like to say is, well I asked for information! I dident make a damned single judgement!

Second off im not catholic, im southern baptist we dont have a parish and we dont have a priest, we have a Dr. in something like theology thats our Minister. Preacher, what have you.

Third. Real World, Are you just an annoying troll or do you have a link to this program?

The Troubled Teen Industry / Inner Harbor and my church
« on: February 08, 2007, 12:08:23 PM »
Does any one have any other info, deborah, thank you for the site but it dident really help, I couldent find any reports.

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