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The Seed Discussion Forum / Art Barker
« on: February 23, 2006, 10:30:00 AM »
Okay, not knowing how to go back and search the content of SDF threads for names, references, etc. - and even if I did, that search would give too many results to be of any real quick use to me...

Can anyone tell me Art Barker's full legal name, please?  I need it for some research I am doing on the program in general.

Obviously he's well known as Art Barker, but is that short for Arthur? Does he have a middle name or middle inital?  I've checked all the Florida corporate records for The Seed and he uses only the name "Art Barker" on those documents.


Any help will be greatly appreciated.  

[ This Message was edited by: Stripe on 2006-02-23 07:31 ][ This Message was edited by: Stripe on 2006-02-23 07:33 ]

I did have a really interesting reunion last summer 2004 with two other gals I met while I was in Ft. Luderdale back in 1973.

By mutual plan, we ventured up to  New York (from Floirda and Mich) for a "reunion" of sorts.  One girl I'll call L, was someone I had remained friends with over the years.  we shared life experiences beyond the seed - and we had fun over the years, but had lost touch about 10 or 12 years back.  The other I'll call W,  I had not laid eyes on in 30 some years.  IT seemed to me that W was in some ways stuck in the seed. She spent the week asking probing program questions of me (and other strangers) and it wa difficult.  I did not really feel like I owed an explanation to any one, let alone someone who claimed they knew me so well.  Some might think here ...defensive.  And probably so.

Now with L, she and I got caught up relatively quickly and found a common ground and were able to enjoy the mixture of old and new.  She has put both of her kids into similar programs, and while I may not have choosen that path for my family, it was not my place to question or judge her choices as I  am a virtual stranger - I don't pay her bills or walk in her shoes.  

With the other girl, W, we were kind of stuck at the 15 to 17 year old range. I guess since she had always been the "more aware" seedling of the group and followed the inquisition line as a seedling, she assumed that role again.

In unfamiliar situations we always fall back on what it most familiar, right?  

And for my part, I was met with memories of inquisition and accusation at every turn, so I obviously had on my "ear-cone filters of persecution" as they fit me so well...  

Somehow, we found some small common ground for a week, but it was tough.  We did try to keep the friendship going, but it crashed and burned.  She was asking rhetorical quesitons, I was busy answering them, and no body was getting anything but frustrated.  So, I chose to end the contact.  Harsh, but I just could not see the point of it - I really felt like it was a waste of time.

Sometimes, the past should stay in the past. Were it not for being in that program, I doubt any of us would have even been friends.

Some lucky folks may have made actual friends while in there - but it didn't happen that way for me.  I met maybe 7 people while I was in the seed I didn't love them all then and after 30 years, I still didn't love them all, not by any means.  Well, except one who shall remain nameless.

In many ways, if I had a do-over, I'd go back to last summer and miss the plane. I realy thought about missing it at the last minute because honestly, I was afraid about going back to the past, going back to the seed.  That's what it represented to me. And it was after this reunion that I got serious about coming to terms with my feelings about the seed and what happened to me as a result of being placed in that program.

So, was it a happy reunion?  It was okay, that's all.  Would I do it again?  No.  Maybe one on one where we both had a clear way out, but never in a group dynamic - that sends out the "DANGER WILL ROBINSON" robot-arm flapping response and I want to run in the opposite direction.  

That's my story.  I suppose the reuion was successful in that I was challenged to a new place psychologically and I am not stuck trying to operate under those rules anymore.  But it was painful to start getting past that.  

Maybe if not for the reunion, I'd still be trying to intergrate the program rules into my life, trying to manage an addiction I never had and failing miserably. So I guess the reunion was good for me in that respect.  But it also brought home the fact of how few friends I really had at that time of my life - and it was a sad reminder of the loneliness that came with following the company line.

[ This Message was edited by: Stripe on 2005-12-12 06:26 ][ This Message was edited by: Stripe on 2005-12-12 06:34 ]

The Seed Discussion Forum / The Psychology of then and now...
« on: December 05, 2005, 10:52:00 AM »
Preface this post with the statement that I do not have a degree in Psychology or Psychiatry nor do I have a medical degree.

We are now 35 years, give or take one or two, from the time first Seed program in Ft. Lauderdale opened its doors for business.  

Today, many of the Seed program participants who post on this forum  are either or have previously admitted to, gotten treatment for, or exhibited a vast array of medical and psychological disorders.  There are also other seed participants who fully believe that those who have problems now, and admit to those problems, are merely looking for someone to blame.    

This thought is the result of a query in response of my post on another thread:

Are you sure you would not have been that way anyway? I'm not being a jerk. I'm being honest.
Some people want to blame someone for everything instead of accepting the responsibility on their own.

Except for medically-based psychological problems (i.e. chemical imbalances), most psychological problems are a result of EXTERNAL  factors that are not processed and resolved by the person who experienced them.  

It would be interesting to know whether the illnesses and psychological problems experienced by non-addict ex-seedlings are statistically within the range of ?normal? occurrences within the general population.  While I have no scientific data to back it up, I would venture to guess that statistically, non-addict ex-seedlings fall outside the statistical norms for the maladies they now suffer.  

I?ve seen no evidence in my own life or from other seed kids of anyone who simply had the seed experience and remained unaffected.  Most either:

1.   Went on to other addictions treatment programs fully embracing an addiction mentality/reality as  a way of life; or
2.   Went into full self-destruct mode;  or
3.   Continually tired to live the addictions-model life without being an addict and in the end, failed/never achieved any sense of personal satisfaction because there was no addiction to manage.

Does anybody know of any published or on-going studies in this area?

I know we have the anectdotal statements here on this forum from all sides, but I?m looking for something more scientific and less emotional.

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[ This Message was edited by: Stripe on 2005-04-14 07:40 ]

The Seed Discussion Forum / A National Conference
« on: March 24, 2005, 11:00:00 AM »
Is there any information available on any national conferences concering treatment abuse planned for this year?

The Seed Discussion Forum / Dicussions with parents about seed experiences
« on: December 10, 2004, 10:48:00 AM »
I am 47 years old, my brother is now 52.  My parents are now 82 and 84, mom and dad respectively.  

Our folks put us (me and my brother) in the Ft. Lauderdale Seed in March of 1973. For lack of a better explanation, my behavior intially the  "cause" of our internment.  

My mother was a public school teacher and taught at the high school where I attended.  Apparently, a Seedling got her ear and told her what a wonderful place the seed was, how it changed her life, etc., and because of my radical behavior (having smoked pot maybe 10 times)our folks decided to "nip it" in the bud.  Anyway, long story short, my brother was injured at the time and my folks were given the choice of either both of us being put in, or putting my brother out on the streets with no place to live and no way to make a living while his leg healed.  My brother, bless his heart, opted come in there with me.  I wish I had known then the  sacrifce he was making for me.

Fast forward 32 years. After much introspection, etc., another seed freind and I come cross this site.  I began to remember things about the place and remember what happened to me there.  

I have since spoken with my mother about their  decsion to put us there - father was not included in the discussion b/c of his health at the time.  Our folks were sold a bill of goods on what the possible horrible outcomes were for me and my brother - and what great results would come from participation.  When I told my mom some of the things that happened there, she was shocked.  She cried and apologized.  Did I mentions she's 82 years old now? I explained there was no need to apologize because they were lied to - how could they have known what really went on there?  I never told them - how could they have known?

It's been a good experience for me and my brother to get this out in the open - between us and our forlks, instead of everyone  thinking/pretending it was a good and positive experience for us.  Understanding the reality of that time then helps me to understand my life choices and reality now.

Have other people discussed the aspect of such "involuntary commitmet" with their families or the persons responsible for signing the contracts or paying the fees?  How did the discussions start and what were the results?  

My experiece is obviously on-going and I want to be very careful not to cause my parents any hurt as they were only doing what they thought was right- based on the information given to them.

BTW - please don't respond with comments like "I was responsible for putting myself there by my "bad behavior".  This is actaully a serious inquiry to help me heal my family.


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