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Tacitus' Realm / Re: Islam’s Invasion Ideology...
« on: October 18, 2010, 10:58:28 PM »
Quote from: "Stonewall"
End their ideology. Kill their beliefs. Kill Islam.
Which can only really be done by doing what's done with cults.  Cut off the head and remove control over communication.  Problem there is that with Islam there really is no head.  There is no real ecclesiastical structure or hierarchy.  In certain countries the state could be considered the head but for the most part the people like living under sharia law.  If you topple a rejieme and establish democracy, you'll end up with a democratically elected theocratic leadership.  It's not a situation that's fixable.  There is some hope with the internet, though.  The more religious fundamentalists are exposed to uncensored information the more they'll learn to see other ways of life as more normal.  Porn helps.

As far as doing with Islam what was done with Nazism?  Does the west really have enough manpower, strength of will, and determination to subjugate (as they would do to us) an entire third of the world's population until they reject their ideology?  Cause that's what it'd take. Either that or a whole lot of nukes, which isn't exactly a great option.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« on: September 22, 2010, 12:35:01 AM »
Quote from: "Maximilian"
Israel is a miracle, plain and simple. There really is no other explanation for it. But there are dark forces that wish to destroy what Israel has created. Unfortunately it's the politically correct, and "cool" position in world politics to root for the little guy. Well the loser in this battle is the Arabs, and thank God for that. So people in the US at a protest might pick up an Arab flag that says Free Gaza, and have no understanding of what evil it truly represents. Eventually this time will pass and Israel will rule their land in peace and the days of savagery and suicide bombings will be but a distant memory. Until then Israel needs to focus on doing what is right for themselves, not what they think will please the rest of the world. If you are better than the rest of the world, what is the purpose of worrying about what they think. It's like being the most beautiful girl in school, people will focus their hatred on you and attempt to tear you down. It doesn't mean you are bad, it only reflects how other people choose to react to your beauty.
There is also a religious element that others have to look at:
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"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)
And it's undeniably authentic (Sahih means authentic).  This is what muhammad said (hardly the only example), and if you're a good Muslim, you'll do it.  Its' as simple as that -- and this is not to say that all Muslims are violent (there are "bad" muslims as there are non-practicing members of most religions) -- but those who know what Muhammad taught and choose that ideology -- watch out!

Israel is up against the remains of a 7'th century pedophile warlord's cult who wish them all dead.  Not just Israel.  The Jews.  And people believe this.  Not just "extremists", but those who would claim to be moderate.  Want an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: Muslims threaten to burn the U.S. flag...
« on: September 11, 2010, 02:09:28 AM »
Me Israili?  No. Jew?  No. Zionist?  Absolutely.

After WWII, the jews who survived the holocaust were interned in camps.  Nobody wanted to take the jews in.  Some who tried to return home, like to Poland, for example, were killed. Would you want to live in a place where most of your neighbors sat idly by while you were shipped off to be killed?  Where all those bad memories were?  Israel was their old homeland before they were conquered and displaced.  They were willing to live alongside the Muslims but they were not willing.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses...
« on: September 11, 2010, 02:02:33 AM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
Sockpuppet, back again, spouting hateful, illogical  drivel.

I'm not a sockpuppet.  Ask Psy to confirm.  If you're right, you can have me banned.  Otherwise you should probably shut up.

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Rather than puking up your bigoted propaganda, why not take some time to reflect on why you had to pick another user-name for your hate spiel.  It's propaganda because it's intended to manipulate and influence.  Hence it's entirely subjective content.  It's not based in empricism.  You cannot possibly know what muslims are taught.

This is not Scientology with secret (leaked) teachings.  The Qur'an and ahadith are quite public.  All you have to do to know what Muslims are taught is to read them.  They're quite explicit in their teachings and very little is up to interpretation.  "strike off their fingers" or "kill" can only be interpreted so many ways.

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In fact, it is abundantly clear that your assessment of what they are taught is entirely wrong.  You and Hasbaranik make a perfect example.  You are attempting to teach your concept that Muslims are to be feared because they interpret the teachings of Muhammed literally and are compelled to explicitly obey every single aspect of this dogma.

Not at all.  Most Muslims are hypocrites and do not follow their religion.

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This does not reflect reality in any way.  Muslim scholars have, for hundreds of years, debated the relationship of Muslims to their scriptures.  So you can say that they're hypocritical if they don't follow to the letter the teachings of Mohammed, but clearly hundreds of millions of muslims disagree with you.

In public.  Try and ask one of them to condemn Hamas or Hisbollah as a terrorist organization, however.  You'll often be shocked at the responses.

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But you seem to think so highly of yourself and your opinion, in spite of the lack of evidence to back it up, and the ample evidence to nullify it, that you are compelled to emit it on the internet.

What evidence to nullify it?  What abrogates Sura 9, which commands the subjugation, conversion, or genocide of unbelievers?  What abrogates the command for husbands to beat their wives if they are disobedient.

Really.  The only thing that differentiates an ideology like Nazism and Islam is age and religious status.  Both divide the world into "us" and "them" categories.  Both have dead charismatic figures who are seen as infallible.  Both teach genocide of the jews.  Did everything Synanon did suddenly become OK when they gained status as a church?  Scientology, the self help philosophy turned "religion"?  All you've learned how to do is to tolerate intolerance because the world around you tells you that you must turn a blind eye to anything deemed a "Religion" -- that you must show tolerance, even to those who are taught to kill you.

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Your argument is garbage.  Many westerners are taught to despise and kill, and for millennia they've done just that.  Clearly, many muslims are taught to behave in a peaceful, respectful manner and they do just that.

Sure, and they should be left alone... Just like neo-nazis who choose to accomplish their goals through peaceful protest and political process.  It would be idiotic to deny that the ideologies are benign, however.

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A fine example is the tens of thousands of muslims killed by the United States armed forces, who were taught to do just that.  Another example is the continued existence of jews in iran.  The estimated numbers range between 11 and 40 000.  But they've had thirty years to kill them and haven't, so it would seem that the bloodlust for jews and christians isn't quite as rampant as you propagandists seem to believe.

Just because they havent' been exterminated doesn't mean they're treated well.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses...
« on: September 10, 2010, 08:34:12 PM »
Ajax.  You just don't get it.  Westerners do such things in spite of what they're taught.  Muslims do it because of what they're taught.  You think they blew up the Buddha statues in Afghanistan just because they felt like it?

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised?
« on: September 03, 2010, 07:26:11 PM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
Absolutely bizarre and demonstrative of the surreal nature of this whole phenomenon.  The arguments of both sides are based entirely on strawman arguments.  The building is not at ground zero.  There is no such entity as "islam" trying to build the facility as a triumphal statement about the 2001 attacks.

And Nazism didn't invade Poland.  Nazis did.

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The principal  movers behind the creation of the facility are not random muslim citizens trying to express their religion, they are globalists.
But also hilarious.  John Hinckley comes to mind.  Hinckley shot Ronnie Ray-gun in the name of Jodie Foster.  According to somebody or other, the 2001 terror attacks were conducted in the name of Islam, and thus "Islam" is implicated.  So apparently Jodie Foster is somehow implicated in the attempted assassination of the Gipper.

Jodie foster didn't say "go and slay Regan wherever you find him".  On the other hand Islam does tell it's followers to slay unbelievers wherever they're found.  The 9/11 attacks were entirely in line with what Islam teaches.  Bin laden even warned the US to turn to islam prior to the attacks (required by the Qur'an...  read Sura 9 for details).

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: Our Prices Are Insane!
« on: September 03, 2010, 07:22:44 PM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
"An American news report of a year ago revealed that, according to a U.S.-based consultancy firm, several Middle Eastern nations are slated to spend over $100 billion on weapons in the upcoming five years. Most of those arms purchases - "unprecedented packages" - will be by Iraq, Israel, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, and the "core of this arms-buying spree will undoubtedly be the $20 billion U.S. package of weapons systems over 10 years for the six states of the Gulf Cooperation Council - Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E., Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and Bahrain." The expansion of American arms sales and military presence in the Persian Gulf targets Iran in the first place."


"Washington pouring over $100 billion in news arms into the Middle East will not contribute to the safety and security of its inhabitants. It will not benefit the nations of the region. In truth not a single one of them."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=20885
Everybody in the region is worried about Iran, not just Israel. The leaders of Iran might not care if, after nuking israel, they're wiped out themselves (meta suicide bombing), but the rest of the region doesn't want to deal with the nuclear fallout.  Selling them weapons is a good idea so they can defend themselves against the belligerent actions of Iran.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: Exploiting freedom
« on: September 03, 2010, 07:20:13 PM »
Ajax.  You're right.  Islam is not an entity.  Nazism was not an entity.  Both are ideologies, and ideologies have followers.  The goal of Islam, like Nazism, is the extermination of the unbelievers (especially jews), and the establishment of a worldwide Calphate.  Let's start with the jews:

One hadith says:
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"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)

These ahadith are considered Sahih (authentic).  The Quran is similar.  Read Sura 9, the last chapter written which abrogates all previous, if you want to see what it says about how unbelievers should be killed, subdued, or enslaved wherever they are found.  It's quite explicit, and not really subject to interpretation.

See.  I just don't see the logic with tolerating an intolerant ideology.  People don't tolerate Nazism.  Why do they tolerate Islam?  Is it that enough time has passed for it to become accepted?  Is it that Nazism was never declared a religion?  Do people assume that all religions are the same?  When Synanon declared itself a religion, did that suddenly mean it was benign?

If you tolerate Islam, you tolerate intolerance.  You tolerate it's commands to beat women.  You tolerate it's tolerance of rape.  You tolerate it's commands to commit genocide.  I'm not saying that all who claim to follow Islam actually do these things.  I'm saying the ideology itself is toxic and those who follow it are by definition violent.  Military Jihad is not a small part of islam. It's a very large part.  The religion was invented to justify the actions of a warlord, after all.  Us foreign policy is hardly perfect but that doesn't in any way mean that there isn't danger out there or that Islam is not a threat.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised?
« on: August 30, 2010, 07:24:30 PM »
Quote from: "none-ya"
GET THE IDEA?
Yeah.  Organized religion is easily corrupted.  Point taken -- but organized religion is not necessarily Christianity. If you read the Bible, which I have, despite not being a Christian, you'll find no justification for the actions of those few who wanted to rally the ignorant masses in the name of something.  See.  Back in the time of the crusades, your average Christian did not have access to a Bible.  He could not read what it said and had to take the Church's word for it --  so when the church said "go kill and you'll be saved", they did it.  It was only much later, during the reformation and after the invention of the printing press, when people started reading the Bible for themselves, did they discover that the Church was lying to them.  At that point the Church fractured.

Also, the Crusades, despite their horrific excesses, of which there were many, were mostly a long delayed defensive conflict.  Much of the middle east was once Christian, Zoroastrian, and pagan.  They were wiped out, subdued, enslaved, or they converted.  Rather than address the problem immediately, this went on unopposed for centuries, giving Islam a very strong foothold.  Even after the armies of Islam had taken Jerusalem, the Church did not react.  While it is true that many Christians and Jews were allowed to live in relative peace as Dhimmis (all others were either killed or enslaved).  It was only much later, when me Muslims started to interfere with Christian pilgrimage and destroyed the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, did all out war erupt. Regardless of the justice of injustice of the Crusades, it's likely that if they did not happen the entire world would now be an islamic Caliphate.

Also realize that the Catholic Church was in a difficult position at the time of WWII.  If they resisted openly, they would have been annihilated as the Vatican city was surrounded.  It was decided that the preservation of the Church was more valuable than an act of futile protest.  Depite all this, there were priests who smuggled jews and allied soldiers in and out of the Vatican.  There were priests who aided the resistance.  There were priests that were sent to the concentration camps.  Just because the organization itself couldn't take an official stand with a gun to their heads doesn't mean they didn't help under hte table.  It was a fragile political situation and Hitler was itching for an excuse to shut the Church down entirely.

One example of a resistance priest sentenced to death:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer

Don't believe everything you see in movies such as Kingdom of Heaven.  Read history books from both sides or even Wikipedia.  Sure the Crusaders were barbarians being manipulated by a lying Church, but they did end up playing an important role stopping the violent spread of Islam.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised?
« on: August 30, 2010, 06:57:32 PM »
Quote from: "none-ya"
Nazi Germany was a WHITE CHRISTIAN
NATION
Hitler once said Jesus was a bastard child of a Roman soldier.  He was hardly a Christian.  Like any cult leader, he wanted to be God.  Just because people call themselves Christian does not make it so.  on the other hand, when Muslims kill in the name of their religion they are indeed following the immutable commands of their God.  While members of both religions commit violence, only one religion endorses it.  There have been over 15,000 Islamic-ally motivated terrorist attacks since 9/11.  Name me one other religion that comes remotely close, despite the few, cherry picked, exceptions.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised?
« on: August 30, 2010, 06:53:30 PM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "BuzzKill"
No one is disputing they have a right to build.

Oh yes they are.  And many of them are putting pressure on the gov't to stop it.

Very few are doing that.  Those who are are wrong.  Government force is not the right way to oppose this thing.  There are real religious freedom issues...  but just because somebody has the freedom to, for example, protest against gays at military funerals, does not mean I have to like it or that it shouldn't be opposed by other means.

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And if it's just about the location, as many of the protesters say, why are Mosques in Tennessee and other states being protested?

Because people are starting to realize how dangerous Islam is as an ideology and do not want it to spread.  I'm not sure that's possible (other than by education), but people certainly have the right to protest.

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Hell, the one in Tennessee was just burned down.

And that is terrible, if in fact somebody opposed to the mosque building did it.  Last time a mosque burnt down (just a few months ago), it was discovered to be the act of one of the partitioners, seeking to make it look like a hate crime to gain sympathy.

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Why are there Q'uran burnings?

The Qur'an commands husbands to beat their wives, commands murder of unbelievers, condones rape (women taken as war booty), and the list goes on and on.  Burning the Qur'an is merely a carryover of the Cartoon controversy.  It's a statement of free speech.

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How far away is far enough?  It's being labeled as the "ground zero" Mosque even though it's a full 2 blocks (and NYC blocks at that) away from 'ground zero'.

Still as close as possible, and they admitted it.  They claim it's to build community between Muslims and non-muslims but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering the Imam of the mosque blames the US for 9/11 and doesn't consider Hamas a terrorist organization.

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And sorry, Christianity isn't so peaceful itself.  Crusades?  Inquisition?  Abortion clinic bombings?  Doctor killings?

Christianity itself cannot be blamed when people disobey it's strict commands to turn the other cheek no matter what.  Strictly speaking Christians** should oppose war, the death penalty, aggression of any kind, etc...

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You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
—Matthew 5:38-42, NIV

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But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
—Luke 6:27-31. NIV

Blame those individuals who call themselves Christians and yet do not follow the teachings of Christianity.

** note that I am not a Christian.  Pacifism is idiotic.  In most situations the above advice is wise but when people are irrational and intend to kill you, they cannot be negotiated with and must be defended against with as much force as is necessary.

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The Murrah building in Oklahoma City?

Tim McVeigh was an atheist.

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We have religious freedom in this country.  It applies to all religions, not just Christianity or the ones we like.

Sure we do.  We also have the freedom to run through Harlem screaming "nigger nigger nigger nigger" at the top of our lungs.  Building a Mosque called "Cordoba" as close as possible to GZ is just about as offensive and people who would take such action should be protested against to the full extent possible within the law.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised?
« on: August 29, 2010, 01:59:05 AM »
Even some American Muslims (in name only, obviously) find the concept offensive:
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Iraqi Columnist in Arab Liberal Online Daily Elaph: The Hostile and Provocative Name Chosen for the Planned Ground Zero Cordoba Mosque Symbolizes Dreams of Expansion and Invasion of the Territory of the Other

Iraqi-American columnist Khudhayr Taher published an article in the Arab online liberal daily Elaph.com on May 18, 2010 in which he warns against the desire to turn the U.S. into a Muslim country. Taher called upon the American administration to ban the building of mosques, and especially the Cordoba Mosque, planned for construction near Ground Zero in New York, because, he says, these mosques pose a danger to the security of the U.S. as they are centers for spreading extremist and terrorist ideas.
Following is a translation of excerpts from the article:
"In these days, the issue of the Muslim decision to build a mosque near the place where the crime of the cowardly September 11 terrorist attacks took place has come up. We must note that a hostile and provocative name [Cordoba] has been chosen for this mosque. It is well known that the first Cordoba Mosque was built by Muslims in a city in Spain, after they occupied this Christian country, killing its men and capturing its women to bring them to Arab countries as slaves and servants to serve their sexual pleasure. The Arabs and Muslims have never ceased to take pride and bask in the glory of this imperialist history, which they consider to be a symbol of their strength and power, and they are unashamed of the fact that the annals [of their history] are full of shameful crimes.
"Today, it seems as though some Muslims in America are enamored of the dream of bringing back this ugly imperialist Muslim history, which is based on occupying peaceful peoples, on trying to force them to change their religious beliefs by the sword, on killing the men, and on abducting the women from their homes and bringing them to their own countries. Choosing the name 'Cordoba House' for the mosque to be constructed in New York was not coincidental or random and innocent. It bears within it significance and dreams of expansion and invasion [into the territory] of the other, [while] striving to change his religion and to subjugate him…
"New York has many mosques, for Sunnis and for Shiites. Of course there is a significant infiltration of extremist terrorist ideology among some of the Sunnis, and likewise there is a significant infiltration of the Iranian intelligence [apparatus] among some of the Shi'ites. This infiltration, both among the Sunnis and among the Shi'ites, has spread across the U.S. New York State has many mosques, and doesn't need any more of them – not to mention that for work reasons Muslims do not attend mosque every day, but only on Saturdays and Sundays. Therefore, the Muslims have no real need for the construction of this mosque, which constitutes a provocation against the sensibilities of the Americans and a reminder for them of the Muslim imperialism in Spain and of the acts it committed against the Christians – such as murder, pillage, taking captives, and aggression against women.
"As a Muslim and as an American citizen, I hope that the U.S. government will issue a decision to confiscate the funds designated for the construction of this mosque, and to transfer them to a budget for rebuilding the towers of the World Trade Center in New York, [and also to] ban the building of [additional] mosques in the U.S., because there is no real need for them. Also, [we must] take into account the danger that they [i.e. the mosques] pose because they are hothouses for extremist terrorist ideology and for hatred of the other, and because they carry out open missionary activities considered a violation of the freedom and religion of others."
source:
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4225.htm

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised?
« on: August 29, 2010, 01:56:25 AM »
* The Mosque is being built as close to Ground Zero as possible.

* It's being called "Cordoba" after the Cordoba mosque built immediately after Islam's conquest of spain.

* The source of funding for the mosque is unknown, meaning It's likely a Saudi funded mosque which will preach Wahhabism.

* The Imam for the mosque does not consider Hamas a terrorist organization and blames the US for 9/11.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to build the mosque.  I'm just saying it's an extremely offensive thing to build so close to a place so many died because of Islam...  Not by those who took the commands of Muhammad out of context, but by those who followed them to the letter.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised?
« on: August 29, 2010, 12:40:09 AM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
Nope.  A few yards is not a figure of speech, it is a description of a given spatial relationship, and in this case it is a false description.  So one is left to ponder the motivation behind the deception.
I'm a few inches from tearing my hair out at your idiocy.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised?
« on: August 29, 2010, 12:34:14 AM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
I was neither surprised, nor astonished when the speaker lied within the first minute of the video when he stated that the facility was being built a few yards from ground zero.  Since this is not the case, one is left to ask why the speaker is lying.

It's a figure of speech.  It is very close to GZ, however.

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