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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: CALO Escape?
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RAD kids are professional manipulators and liars and CALO encourages the kids to be in control in these circumstances. This just adds to the problems.
RAD kids doing the above should never be in control of their parents. If the parents are "abusers" then fine. However, for the "normal" parent who isn't an abuser, then the kids should never be allowed to choose to ignore the ones holding them accountable for their actions. What will happen if this type of Kid hits the streets at 18? Then they will really learn that society or the police don't care about them at all. We are the only ones who truly care. The rest of the world will let them die in a gutter. Just ask CALO if they have helped anyone once the money for their tuition stops. Once the money stops, the trust of care stops and then we know what is what.
CALO does not hold kids accountable, they take the "punishment" out of relationships...what ever that means. That is the doctor spock treatment, it didn't work 30 years ago and it doesn't work now. After all, aren't all his kids in jail? At least that is what I heard.
Also I would like Ken to define for us what an abuser is....and the diffence between discipline and punishment...is it normal discipline, a boot in the ass, yelling, in-your face accountability, or actual real life consequences for certain actions?? Which is it Ken???
After all, doesn't a football, wrestling or hockey coach do that?Then again Ken seems to be the home-economics type.
Che,
I agree. I don't think RAD is legitimate either. Whether this is RAD, bi-polar, ADHD or green eggs and ham, I can't tell you. I agree that it's a label for something no one really understands at this moment in time. What we do know is the behaviors are very similar, almost identical. I know of families with "RAD" kids who are now adults and their behavior has not changed. Some are currently serving 30 years for molesting their own children. So the abuse goes on, lives are destroyed and no-one is accountable. Even this person will get out of jail, probably in the next 5 years and begin the process again.
As always, when pushed and ultimately cornered, the "professionals" then turn on the parents, start pointing fingers and blame them. Maybe it's true for abusive parents, but what about the ones that don't abuse the children....they get blamed as well. So CALO goes on with their happy lives, all the time being part of the problem and laughing all the way to the bank.
CG
As far are caring for the child, we should recoup the cash, slap you in the face with it and use it to seek help elsewhere, REAL help. Because we all know what evil bastards and shitbags you are.
Shame on us for believing CALO, we will never make that mistake again. CALO is also going to pay for it's mistakes.
CG
I am seeking out parents and children who have direct experience with CALO who can truly expose them for what they are and hope it doesn't happen again.
The rest of you seem like kids that do hate their parents or have been in these programs but have not learned a damn thing that your parents were trying to teach you before you got placed there.
Quite simply, it was the bad behavior that got you there. So how are your ramblings going to help from someone else getting put into CALO. Difference between you and me boys. What are you doing? Because I wasn't the one who put my child in there, you got that from now on?
For those "real" parents that have tried everything to help these kids, we are rewarded by exactly what you and the rest of the so called professionals do. You blame the parents. Where is your accountability?
It's easy to blame the fact you didn't get your wheaties or you weren't breast fed or your older sister got all the attention, isn't it. When push comes to shove, it's all an excuse.
There has been alot tougher people in history that have overcome much more worse situations than yours.
In my household, my childrent are my life. Adopted and/or RAD children have been loved and treated equally, even more than the biological children. We have spent 85% of our time on the RAD kids and the remaining on the natural children. And what are we doing to the other children that only get the 15%. What new disorder is watiting to be named for them by the "professionals"
So if RAD kids have most of our attention, treated equally well or better, have been made part of the family, why do they continue to hurt the others.
Well here's the answer, 75% of RAD starts off in the womb and for the 1st 3 years of life. By the time they come to us. 75% of the damage is already done. These kids hurt and they don't know why and they want others to feel their pain.
So for all you litte hate mongers...it is not our fault your parents were junkies or didn't give you the nurturing necessary for babies to bond to and trust their parents. We are the ones trying to help you.
After all, I don't do drugs, my natural childrent don't do drugs but the RAD ones do. All kinds too.
I don't molest children, but the RAD kids do. The natural ones don't
I'm not out breaking the law, skipping school, scarring my body, destroying other peoples property and lieing like it's no tomorrow. No judgments here "Guest" it's a fact.
I care for others, yet the RAD cares for only what they want. Immediate gratification.
It's your actions that got you landed in places like CALO. If your parents are as bad as you say, why aren't they in jail. If you've learned this from them as you claim then they should be in jail, along with the ones that perpetuate this lie, meaning CALO.
I'll bet your parents warned you constantly that this was going to happen, but guess what, you didn't listen and you didn't care. Well here it is. I don't like CALO as much as you. I certainly don't like the asshole parents that may have abused you, I down right detest the junkie, no good parents that abandons their child.
Just don't blame the ones who tried to help. When you are 18 and continue to act the way you have, you can look forward to a life spent in jail, this is not my opinion this is simply a fact. A judge won't care your parents were assholes. So grow up become real men and women and don't continue the cycle that you are a part of. Learn from it and take some damn action like I am instead of just complaining about it all the time.The best of quotes of the curious George troll
CG
Does anyone have any real, reliable information regarding the "abuse" at CALO?Note that whenever CG refers to abuse related to calo it is always in parentheses.
Is anyone willing to reply?
Looking for some real answers to CALO issues
Have direct personal knowledge of events.
Will discuss.
Am also interested in whether a lawsuit or the possibility of a class action lawsuit is, has or will be filed by the parents.
Just so we are clear, I'm not interested in all the bullshit and childish remarks I see on some of these replies. I am a concerned family member that is seeking some real answers.what about you accountability CG? What about your bullshit replies and childish remarks?
Guest,Nice language for a serious minded “concerned parent”
Inevitable, meaning you are full of shit?
I'll put money down I outlast you. Never backed down from a good fight when it comes to people I care about. I'm taking this as far as it goes.
Go back to your crib and suck your thumb.
CG
To WTF:
Your a friggin genious...you hit the nail on the head with ONE of your scenario's.
You can try and figure out which one makes you the happiest Einstien.
Would pick up if I could, would love to bust out if didn't have other obligations to worry about compounded by the fact it's currently illegal in the state of MO.
Don't need to go to jail by following your shit bag, moronic, juvinile advice. Like I said, either help or get out of the way. Certain people with brains would have already figured that out...not just the jagbags that shoot their mouth off without thinking.
CG
Hey Jesus
Go fuck yourself. Why don't you get nailed to the cross again. I am no bullshit artist. Will prove it. The only thing you sniff is the ass crack off a dead goat.
Stop pissing serious people off. It's bad for your health.
CG
Guest,
Let's. Is there a parent forum or do you know of another way to get in contact with other concerned parents?
CG
Yes I am strict, but I am also fair.
still interested though in your thoughts.
Maybe you've experienced something that can help us, and that is REALLY what I'm after.
CALO garbage is secondary. The only thing I haven't tried, is to completely let go, but that's illegal in my state and immoral for me. If the child chooses not to have contact after 18, then that is their right and I will respect that. CGAs of now CG's posts are intact (un-edited). Read them in their entirety and decide for yourself.
I agree with just about 100% of what you have to say and I am not in unyeilding individual. Yes I am strict, but I am also fair.Really? Do go on... :seg2:
I am very happy things have worked out for you and I'm very happy that you have a fulfilling life and I appreciate your comments.
I have also tried all of your recommendations and the recommendations of the professionals. While I'm new to these forums, I'm not new to these issues. This is not news to me, I have been aware and put into practice all the things you mentioned and quite frankly it's the same old stuff CALO would say. I feel now that the change in consistancy in parenting suggested by CALO and other professionals probably have caused more problems.
Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing has worked. I have adjusted in ways and changed behaviors based on professional recommendations more than I care to explain all in an effort to connect with this child. AND I have not given up, just tired of the professionals' promises of snake oil cures at huge costs to my family and the impact on my other children during the process.
I also understand kids want to be treated with respect and can and do challenge authority. I have no problems with this. However when challenging the parents authority will lead to someone getting hurt, killed or somone OD'ing, I draw the line. It's every parents responsibility to stop this behavior, no pauses, no explanations, it simply has to end now, no questions asked. In some states there are laws holding parents responsible for what their child does.
I'm interested in any further advice and possible solutions you can provide. So far the entire professional industry has been wrong. I'm not claiming to be right, but if normal parenting didn't work, revised parenting didn't work (just about every type we were made aware of) and the professional therapy didn't work, what's left for the child? Well at 18, jail or death happens next, and then there is no more room to connect.
still interested though in your thoughts. Maybe you've experienced something that can help us, and that is REALLY what I'm after. CALO garbage is secondary. The only thing I haven't tried, is to completely let go, but that's illegal in my state and immoral for me. If the child chooses not to have contact after 18, then that is their right and I will respect that.
CG
Does anyone have any real, reliable information regarding the "abuse" at CALO?Note that whenever CG refers to abuse related to calo it is always in parentheses.
Is anyone willing to reply?
Looking for some real answers to CALO issues
Have direct personal knowledge of events.
Will discuss.
Am also interested in whether a lawsuit or the possibility of a class action lawsuit is, has or will be filed by the parents.
Just so we are clear, I'm not interested in all the bullshit and childish remarks I see on some of these replies. I am a concerned family member that is seeking some real answers.what about you accountability CG? What about your bullshit replies and childish remarks?
Guest,Nice language for a serious minded “concerned parent”
Inevitable, meaning you are full of shit?
I'll put money down I outlast you. Never backed down from a good fight when it comes to people I care about. I'm taking this as far as it goes.
Go back to your crib and suck your thumb.
CG
To WTF:
Your a friggin genious...you hit the nail on the head with ONE of your scenario's.
You can try and figure out which one makes you the happiest Einstien.
Would pick up if I could, would love to bust out if didn't have other obligations to worry about compounded by the fact it's currently illegal in the state of MO.
Don't need to go to jail by following your shit bag, moronic, juvinile advice. Like I said, either help or get out of the way. Certain people with brains would have already figured that out...not just the jagbags that shoot their mouth off without thinking.
CG
Hey Jesus
Go fuck yourself. Why don't you get nailed to the cross again. I am no bullshit artist. Will prove it. The only thing you sniff is the ass crack off a dead goat.
Stop pissing serious people off. It's bad for your health.
CG
Guest,:clown:
Let's. Is there a parent forum or do you know of another way to get in contact with other concerned parents?
CG
RAD kids are professional manipulators and liars and CALO encourages the kids to be in control in these circumstances. This just adds to the problems.
RAD kids doing the above should never be in control of their parents. If the parents are "abusers" then fine. However, for the "normal" parent who isn't an abuser, then the kids should never be allowed to choose to ignore the ones holding them accountable for their actions. What will happen if this type of Kid hits the streets at 18? Then they will really learn that society or the police don't care about them at all. We are the only ones who truly care. The rest of the world will let them die in a gutter. Just ask CALO if they have helped anyone once the money for their tuition stops. Once the money stops, the trust of care stops and then we know what is what.
CALO does not hold kids accountable, they take the "punishment" out of relationships...what ever that means. That is the doctor spock treatment, it didn't work 30 years ago and it doesn't work now. After all, aren't all his kids in jail? At least that is what I heard.
Also I would like Ken to define for us what an abuser is....and the diffence between discipline and punishment...is it normal discipline, a boot in the ass, yelling, in-your face accountability, or actual real life consequences for certain actions?? Which is it Ken???
After all, doesn't a football, wrestling or hockey coach do that?Then again Ken seems to be the home-economics type.
Che,
I agree. I don't think RAD is legitimate either. Whether this is RAD, bi-polar, ADHD or green eggs and ham, I can't tell you. I agree that it's a label for something no one really understands at this moment in time. What we do know is the behaviors are very similar, almost identical. I know of families with "RAD" kids who are now adults and their behavior has not changed. Some are currently serving 30 years for molesting their own children. So the abuse goes on, lives are destroyed and no-one is accountable. Even this person will get out of jail, probably in the next 5 years and begin the process again.
As always, when pushed and ultimately cornered, the "professionals" then turn on the parents, start pointing fingers and blame them. Maybe it's true for abusive parents, but what about the ones that don't abuse the children....they get blamed as well. So CALO goes on with their happy lives, all the time being part of the problem and laughing all the way to the bank.
CG
As far are caring for the child, we should recoup the cash, slap you in the face with it and use it to seek help elsewhere, REAL help. Because we all know what evil bastards and shitbags you are.
Shame on us for believing CALO, we will never make that mistake again. CALO is also going to pay for it's mistakes.
CG
I am seeking out parents and children who have direct experience with CALO who can truly expose them for what they are and hope it doesn't happen again.
The rest of you seem like kids that do hate their parents or have been in these programs but have not learned a damn thing that your parents were trying to teach you before you got placed there.
Quite simply, it was the bad behavior that got you there. So how are your ramblings going to help from someone else getting put into CALO. Difference between you and me boys. What are you doing? Because I wasn't the one who put my child in there, you got that from now on?
For those "real" parents that have tried everything to help these kids, we are rewarded by exactly what you and the rest of the so called professionals do. You blame the parents. Where is your accountability?
It's easy to blame the fact you didn't get your wheaties or you weren't breast fed or your older sister got all the attention, isn't it. When push comes to shove, it's all an excuse.
There has been alot tougher people in history that have overcome much more worse situations than yours.
In my household, my childrent are my life. Adopted and/or RAD children have been loved and treated equally, even more than the biological children. We have spent 85% of our time on the RAD kids and the remaining on the natural children. And what are we doing to the other children that only get the 15%. What new disorder is watiting to be named for them by the "professionals"
So if RAD kids have most of our attention, treated equally well or better, have been made part of the family, why do they continue to hurt the others.
Well here's the answer, 75% of RAD starts off in the womb and for the 1st 3 years of life. By the time they come to us. 75% of the damage is already done. These kids hurt and they don't know why and they want others to feel their pain.
So for all you litte hate mongers...it is not our fault your parents were junkies or didn't give you the nurturing necessary for babies to bond to and trust their parents. We are the ones trying to help you.
After all, I don't do drugs, my natural childrent don't do drugs but the RAD ones do. All kinds too.
I don't molest children, but the RAD kids do. The natural ones don't
I'm not out breaking the law, skipping school, scarring my body, destroying other peoples property and lieing like it's no tomorrow. No judgments here "Guest" it's a fact.
I care for others, yet the RAD cares for only what they want. Immediate gratification.
It's your actions that got you landed in places like CALO. If your parents are as bad as you say, why aren't they in jail. If you've learned this from them as you claim then they should be in jail, along with the ones that perpetuate this lie, meaning CALO.
I'll bet your parents warned you constantly that this was going to happen, but guess what, you didn't listen and you didn't care. Well here it is. I don't like CALO as much as you. I certainly don't like the asshole parents that may have abused you, I down right detest the junkie, no good parents that abandons their child.
Just don't blame the ones who tried to help. When you are 18 and continue to act the way you have, you can look forward to a life spent in jail, this is not my opinion this is simply a fact. A judge won't care your parents were assholes. So grow up become real men and women and don't continue the cycle that you are a part of. Learn from it and take some damn action like I am instead of just complaining about it all the time.The best of quotes of the curious George troll
CG
Fuck you.
Well, *I* didn't see it. Nor the pretend attorney. Either quote it, link it, or begone.
Hey Jesus
Go fuck yourself. Why don't you get nailed to the cross again. I am no bullshit artist. Will prove it. The only thing you sniff is the ass crack off a dead goat.
Stop pissing serious people off. It's bad for your health.
CG