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The Seed Discussion Forum / Re: Seed: 0/71
« on: January 13, 2009, 02:36:06 AM »
I Just wondered if any other oldtimers out there kept their own minds. I was at the Seed in 1971. My sister was appointed to staff, (she had no choice, for a long time) but she did survive. I ran twice, and when my sister finaly got out I had a big joint waiting for her. I also Remember Art, John, Pete, Tommy, Clay, Susie, Rick, Libby, Michele, Bill and alot more. Dade and Pinellas Seeds opening up? Wow!  (that just made more money for the group) An eye opening time of my life too. I also joined the Navy, after going to college, and it was very little help in my navy career as a squid (Saratoga). An officer that rises through the enlisted ranks and is awarded a commission is usualy a suck ass. It was 37 or 38 years ago. I can actually say now that when the time comes I will leave the world with eight of my children and eight grandchildren. I thank the gods my children all have good minds, children and careers, I wouldn't have been able to say that if I thought what the seed was doing was correct 38 years ago. Also it gives me a warm and fuzzie to see Art Barker close to death (and looking like shit). I have never had a fear of the Seed, and the hold it tried to have on me a long time ago, but by then I had figured myself out pretty well and set out on a path to make things  better for me and my family instead of screwing with others minds. It is good to hear from all of you. Even those who still fear the Seed. Now that Iv'e reached the end game it's good to look back. And I hope something can be done to stop people like Art Barker from hurting any more children in the future. I find it hard to believe there are still places like the seed in America?
Frank M.

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Lighthouse of northwest florida (fka VCA )/ Rebekah / Roloff ) / Re: So I got this E-mail from Greg Kutz (yeah, of the GAO...)
« on: January 12, 2009, 06:55:45 PM »
I am going to try to contact this Greg. I hope he is not just another gov. spook.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: horrible insomnia
« on: January 12, 2009, 06:46:42 PM »
Smoke pot, it will do the trick, the dreams will get better. You are not the only one and you will have to figure them out. It is possible to use the dreams to your advantage. But the pot helps. :rasta:

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News Items / Re: Friggin Pharma
« on: January 12, 2009, 05:15:58 PM »
OSI - CIA doctor, Willard F. Machle - (first director of the CIA scientific dept.) has the proof.
Quote from: "psy"
Both sides have some very good points, but what about a sort of hybrid approach, where the FDA could still approve drugs and make recommendations, but the ultimate choice would still be in the hands of the consumer?

Ursus does have a very valid point about doctors getting kickbacks.  That relationship should either be fully disclosed to patients or considered a form of fraud (and for enforcement, doctors would have to disclose their financial records to a regulatory agency on a regular basis)...  Same way I feel about educational consulting.  While Antigen has a point that patients should be able to go to somebody they trust to get advice on what to put in their bodies... who exactly do you trust, and should you have to?  I appreciate a "buyer beware" perspective, but nobody is invulnerable from a con.  Should the sole responsibility should rest on a patient for getting conned by a doctor on the take?  Allowing that would more or less declare open season on consumers.

Of course you could argue that consumers should always beware and yes, they are responsible for what they put in their bodies...  but would that really work?  Could consumers stop relying on government to be their nannies, or will they always want that safety net, even if it restricts their freedom.  Would it be possible to create a skeptical society that researches stuff before they stuff it down or up their various orifices?  On one hand, I have little compassion for morons who take experimental drugs then whine they grew a third leg, but on the other hand, do I really want to do research on everything my doctor prescribes me?  That's why I think the FDA could be "de-fanged" and yet still have an advisory role.  Consumers could check with the FDA website to see if a drug is approved after it is prescribed to them (or the drug itself could contain the notice).  Consumers could also rate their doctors online to warn other consumers if they are crooked...  There are ways it could work.  Ultimately, in order to end the drug war, the FDA would have to be de-fanged.

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