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Dear  
  I am not going to respond to your post because I will not get into a back and forth with an individual who declines to identify himself.  I find that creepy and I do not have enough time for it.      
  Please post a link to the follow up to the study you referenced because i would like to read and comment on it.  You seemed to have those other links at your fingertips.  
  Thanks

dear anonymous

   I have seen and read the study you linked to.  Stripped of its wrapping it  compares how parents see their kids and kids see themselves  on the day they are sent into a program and the day they leave.  That kind of survey, even if dressed up with scientific language and statistics to make it look serious, is not worthy of discussion.   I thought from your earlier post that there was a one year follow up.  Has that been published? Is that true?  Where can I find it?  Thanks

I have read this thread with interest and was fascinated to see the video of the hearing in Madeira Beach.  I feel a need to put my 2 cents in.  What Miller Newton and his wife have no ability to handle is the reality that they were absolutely wrong about the inevitably of horrible things happening to people that did not live their lives based on his bizarre and absolute beliefs.  Newton convinced himself and then his wife  that each of their victims was a drink, a sweet, or an orgasm away from a hell described by him as prison, a mental institution, prostitution, life on the streets etc.  There is no room in the Newton world or the world of other absolutists for nuance, greys, good days and bad ones, social drinking,   Follow me or die was his message and that  instrument of a voice he still has and the confidence he was once able to project  made him a seductive lifeline for  people looking for simple (cook book or paint by numbers) answers to everything that makes all of our lives both hard and worth living.  
     The existence of those he abused who have gone on to have lives and become “regular people” with lives and jobs and friends and happiness and sadness and problems that they work through is what he and his wife have no ability to comprehend.  Their existence alone is the  proof that he is a con man.  If it is possible to first be subjected to his” treatment,”  reject it  and then go on to a productive life then the treatment was not treatment at all.  It was something much darker, perverse  and evil.
    I saw Newton’s red face on the video.   It comes from being confronted with the living proof of what he is and the scope of his crimes.  When I saw what  Anne Bonney and woof a doof and Richard Bradbury looked like on the video and I heard the comments of the city planner who survived straight and was able to explain in professional terms why Newton’s application should be denied I knew they were collectively what Newton and his followers can’t handle.  They are the living picture and proof that reduces all of his words to the dribble of  an old man who has committed sins to numerous to count and still lives in denial surrounded by a few lost souls.  
   He should have gone to prison.   He did not but he is not living large.  The rest of us need food and love and a roof over our heads to make it.  He needs followers. There are a few left but even they will eventually drift away.  The power of the internet, the survivors, the reams of documents, the legacy of Wes Fager, and the truth will keep shrinking his little world until he leaves it.