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Ya, ya ,ya so do I . . blah, blah blah, can anyone debate around here?? Take a course in critical thinking from a Philosophy department, they help ya stay on track with the discussion.

God, I sm EVER grateful to have been able to go through the hell I have geeting an education, IT WAS ALL WORTH IT . . . I see that more clearly again after stopping by this forum.

Goodbye for good AARCSurvivors

WEll, this will have to be the last post, to you and I am sure if I look at any retort from velvet, it will be even worse and I'll refer her here??!!!!!

This is how far I got reading your reply to my post, then stopped. Don't have anymore time to bother  (now I can see why Dean would not) with someone that very obviously has no critical thinking skills and will continue to  . . . respond as I saw . . I got this far:

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On 2002-10-23 03:39:00, TheFACTS about DEANV wrote: WEll, do you not know what an anecdote is??  

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Why, yes. Main Entry: an·ec·dote Pronunciation: 'a-nik-"dOt Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural anecdotes also an·ec·dota /"a-nik-'dO-t&/ Etymology: French, from Greek anekdota unpublished items, from neuter plural of anekdotos unpublished, from a- + ekdidonai to publish, from ex out + didonai to give -- more at EX-, DATE Date: circa 1721 : a usually short narrative of an interesting, amusing, or biographical incident
YOUR opinion is created by the anecdotal information you laid out but that is all that is YOUR opinion [/quote] Essentially you're saying, then, that any of my own experience that contradicts your version of facts is anecdotal and, therefore, irrelavent? That's very interesting. Art and Straight always promoted the very same incorrect definition of the word. "
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SO, when I got there I realized this is a BIG waste of time and I am sure for ANYONE dealing with you, unless they are at the same level of cognitive ability, they would get frustrated quickly and if they could (i.e. they are not family, paid counsellors, some poor person in a store that can't run away) they would stop dealing with you and boldt as soon as they saw an opportunity. Plus, a quote from a colleague came to mind, which is "Don't argue with an idiot, you end up going to their level where they beat you with experience"  . . Now I feel I should explain that to you . .. but whatever, THE POINT IS I can see that this is futile, does your thinking come out of a gum ball machine???!!!

I am sorry I am being so harsh but you need to go to school, girlfriend. You are not stupid (I don't think maybe you are?) but you certainly would, at least, have some kind of reading comprehension skills and be able to read a dictionary, understand and apply it. I have no idea who "Art" is or care. But this has nothing to do with recovery or treatment or cousellors trying to brainwash you. THIS IS BASIC SKILLS of reading, understanding, and critical thinking. For now even, forget about the ability to debate.

I wish you well, I am sure you will try to be a thorn (maybe a pin prick) in the side of different organizations but I genuinely suggest you spend sometime on educating yourself rather than spending so much time on your obsession here. I am sure, or I know that atrocities can happen in treatment centers. The world has many unethical people, stupid people, self-centered people, even evil people etc. etc. and they work or exist in every walk of life. So, unjust things will happen. But wake up girl, life is finding that out, rising above it (NOT at all easy) and living. If you feel you must continue on this path at least get educated to use the intelligience ya have and your fight will be more effective. THis is not lofty academic arrogance, I just realized I have been where you are and I had to do the same thing. I still get fucked over in life by differnt kinds of people who have the opportunity to do it, but I can see it with more clarity and deal with the institute, person, system a lot better to protect myself and sometimes to set things in motion to protect others.  Good luck and good bye.

In regard to your second post on this subject re: some letter from Gail somebody:

You know Velvet I don't think you understand even what being registered as a psychologist means and your obsession with that could likely be because you don't understand what doing a PhD is about esp. when it is exactly on the very thing someone is carrying on with in their career.

People can do a PhD in Philosphy on something like the Dialectic of Scrates, how does that relate to Chronic Diarrhea or do a PhDD on something in Political science and work in Health Policy because they have a certain perspective that is different than others that have studied in those areas and it adds another dimension to some work they are doing with health policy researchers. It is usually, but not always in the basic sciences where someone will do a PhD on something like examining the phosolipids in the subcutaneous membrane of frog lips and continue there entire career on that and just that. Even in pyschology, someone can do a PhD or Masters on Anger and Attention Deficit Disorder in children from the ages 6-10. But the rest of their career is being the resident psychologist for a huge Forestry Company. In Dean's case he did a PhD on the area he worked in and continues to work in - substance abuse treatment for adolescents (not even substance abuse treatment for adolescents and adults and pigmies from the pacific island of samoa, rathert JUST treatment for adolescents). Unfortunately, for you ?? I think, your obsession with his registration with some professional association is misguided i.e. your criteria for measuring Dean's competence in his area is, for lack of a better word - irrational.

Sounds like you have done a PhD??? It is such an easy task isn't it, hmmmmmm

Have you looked at the doctoral dissertation Dean did. Maybe you can not see that it demonstrates comprehensive knowledge on adolescent addiction and treatment. That is what a PhD is about - intensive study, research about a specific topic in a general area. Five long years of reading absolutely everthing in the literature on it, investigating all current models for it and original contribution to the state of knowledge on it. Not to mention, in Dean's case, 12+ years in the field developing the AARC model while it was being constantly assessed by other highly recognized professionals in the area. As his committee chair said "he should finish his write up because he had already demonstrated the work of 4 doctoral dissertations.

2nd point - shows me I did not "rant" long enough because I missed pointing out another myth and the lunacy about his being or not being a registered psychologist. BTW, the fact is that he is recognized/registered psychologist. But you can GET registered with a lot less diligence (i.e persistance, exertion, assiduity) than completing all that is required to do a PhD and certainly everything he did to attain his. So, being registered is really a moot point in light of the PhD done in his case. But like I said, as someone that may have completed a PhD, you would understand that right?

Last, how is that what ADAAC thinks of AARC important in some way. They are not the experts in the field although you may have arbitarily assigned them that position. In any case, you are likely not aware that,
1) they have come running to Dean in the last year because their funding is now being challenged,
2)they just got their hands slapped, or worse than that - some people lost their jobs BECAUSE of the way they were withholding $$ from different agencies like AARC. This happened because some of these same people were or felt threatened by the fact that AARC was being strongly supported by social workers, cops and other agencies.

Is there some reason you are being MORE anonymous than the members in this forum or did you post thinking you were not logged on. That happened to me the first time I wrote to this forum??? For some reason I am not able to log on easily. I think is is because of the spaces in my ID?

BTW, I don't use the phrase "Piled Higher and Deeper" anymore. I liked that one the first time I heard it because I had to move twice to larger accomodations because of the books and articles that were accumulating during the graduate years. In the end the strain of doing a PhD effected my immune system so, I ended up with Permanent Health Damage. That acronym was stated/imported by a visiting Korean academic who was at the Health Research Agency I was in while doing my work.

I found this site when doing a search on AARC. There is an incredible amount of false information about Dean Vause in the messages on this list serv. Who are the ones that have posted the absolute crap I have seen. I suggest the person(s) who think they know who Dean Vause is and what his career and academic path have been AT LEAST get their facts straight before they make comments. They might do a LITTLE work by checking out

1) what the UNION Institute really is.

2) search the UMI database of all published PhD and Masters dissertations to get your fats straight about what exactly his grad work was!

3) what exactly did happen for and to Dean VAuse when he went down to New Jersey. You have not a clue what that was about - why he went there, what happened and how AARC evolved in Calgary. Miller Newton has never been on the Vauses' Xmas card list. Maybe his lawyer's for awhile but not his.



These are a few comments right now. I'll be happy to fill you in on the facts for the 3 points above.



BTW, in case someone, again, alleges that Dean would waste his time reading what a couple unhappy clients had to say here - I don't think he is even aware this site exists but if he did .  . . well really I know it not like him to bother or lose sleep over something like this. Some of his staff may have found this site but I can just hear his reaction to them telling him about it - he is very good with the hilarious retorts about people that have it out for him.



I have known him since high school. He is one of the funniest, fun, ethical, genuine and hard-working people you could meet. He has always tried to make up for his *little guy* who was being bullied by soembody or some sort of social oppression. His passion for helping adolescents has driven his career. One reason is because, i think it is part of his nature but another is likely because of the exploitation he experienced at the hands of adults with power over him when he was in his teens. I have always been very honored to have him as one of my good friends, he is a definite asset in any group of friends. If anything, he is the funniest guy I know. No one with his sense of humour could ever take themselves too seriously. So if you think by some warped reason that he thinks he is some kind of god. YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT HE IS MADE OF. He is driven by passion for helping kids and their families and if along the way he has not given the right attention to some angry self-centered person, I think they need to just get over it!!!! and find another more positive attitude towards their life.



It is a known fact that when someone sticks their neck out and applies themself to help others there are always people who don't do anything but put down the person that does.





I think I'll come back and fill in some facts here so it is a little balanced since I see there has been a father that wrote in and tried to stick up for AARC!!



Jem

PhD, Health Poliy Research

(PhD from a traditional university!!)



[ This Message was edited by: TheFACTS about DEANV on 2002-10-19 17:22 ]