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ummm arnold zilbercant or w/e his name was is part of a handful of manipulative staff. i find it very wierd how many of the top staff have either left or gotten fired, must be some REALLY SHADY BUSINESS going on behind the scenes, cuz that makes absolutely no sense.i think buccellato needs to have a psychiological evaluation, no joke.

yeah sorry people lol i read the begginning too briefly. Anyhow- lol they fired jenine king cuz she gave one student a computer game program.... and then a student told on her in fallout.

On 2006-04-25 16:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I am a parent of a son attending HLA. The school may not be for everyone but it has really helped him. Every school has issues and the kids who attend with my son need a lot of structure and yes discipline.

Give the school a break. YYou don't have to like their system. Yet it does work for many kids."

Ok, I understand that maybe it helps some people. However, HLA just generalized everyone is "screwed up" on the same degree, and gives generalized crappy therapy to everyone. Not everyone gains benefits of therapy the same ways, so why should a severe discipline technique that is many times illegal be used for the 200+ students there, even tho it only benefits like 5%, tops.

On 2005-12-29 10:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hey all of you "Negs"...to be able to reconnect with old friends is the entire purpose of the hla discussion boards...y'all just can't stand anything positive coming from HLA.  A lot of us have good lives and HLA helped us to get there...I'm personally glad they are not allowing all the four letter words and the totally negatives that so many of you seem to be only able to use...you have fornits and my space for that....finally... grow up and get a life! Some of us have had good experiences and probably would not be alive today had we not had HLA.  That growth only comes with maturity...hope you get there someday! "

hey im glad ur doing good whichever kid u were. but PLZ PUT A CHECK NEXT TO WHICH OF THESE HELPED U GET BETTER
- forced to do physical training outside in the mud, for 2 hours sometimes
- forced to work outside, no lies- for over 12 hours, moving rocks in the sun, with sometimes no access to water for hours.
- i was on "super restrictions", i was forced to 'live' in a literally unfinished cabin with no heating/insultation, to stay warm and not become more sick (this was during sub zero winter temperatures),  i had to wake up in the middle of the night, and stick Wet toilet paper in every single open area, which included holes in the frail floor.we were given 3 meals of about 600 calories each tops, sometimes more. We were forced to work ALL DAY, chopping wood- without gloves, in which 3 of us had very abusive blisters and one of mine was infected, i had to use salt from my meal to sanatize it on my own. Some of the staff had some compassion and snuck us down some food time to time, but rarely.
- During my "ridge creek experience", i was foced to sleep in a sleeping bag with a broken zipper, in the coldest temperatures i have ever dealt with, on top of an appalchian trail mountain. i didnt get any sleep that week. They even had to cover up and cancel the last week of our program because over half our group developed bronchitus, and one had a state of "shock" (epilytic i dont know names sorry) from sweating/freezing in cold temperatures. I cannot even fathom the pain / emotional damage to this student, who i think was an african american named tom. but he was making harsh breathing sounds literally ALL NIGHT. He was close to death I am sure, the counselors didnt even sleep by us, about 9 hours after he started this "Shock" the counselors returned and rushed him to a hospital.
- I was forced through therapy where people TOLD ME MY PROBLEMS, and didnt listen to the real life issues i thought i had.
- very abusive students/ a lot of bullying going on, altho i didnt face much
- people abuse drugs/ do speed dreams/ sneak in drugs
- theres so much more, if only i could remember. i remember they forced one group of students, to to a 5 day "hell hike" is what the students called it. they were forced to carry 5 gallon water jugs and many other "military" items across the apalation trail, some people even called the cops on ridge creek, the treatment was so abusive and unneeded. one of the students was the most passive and nice student i have ever known. i consider myself lucky, even tho when i tell my HLA story my friends think it sounds unbearable.

Aight folks, calm down, the big mans here. First off, what is this forum about... it seemed to start somewhere, but then i just see the same old parent/counselor/kid bickering. How bout we get back on point?

i was in pg57.

the claim that kids on restrictions are not outside for more than 1 1/2 hours is a blatant lie. On the weekends restrictions conventionally lasts from around 8:15 am to 10:00 pm.... thats way more than 1 1/2 hours.

My description of students avoiding restrictions in air conditioned classrooms eating candy- What im saying is if YOU ARE ON restriction, u can get out of about 1 1/2 hours of the work if u make urself "incomplete".

The sugar passing broke a "manipulation" rule, because i was "manipulating" the kitchen staff by taking sugar i didnt want and giving it to a friend....doesnt make much sense. anyhow- they soon got rid of the rule, which they never announced its presence in the first place.

Your contact with your parents is greatly skewed- when I first arrived at HLA, during winter - I was on restrictions for a straight 1 month duration- during this time my diet was horrible, and I lost many pounds: I chose to write about this in a letter and I was put on restrictions for manipulation. Basically all you can do in letters is talk about the good aspects of HLA and about how u have problems.

I was sent to HLA as a last-second resort because I was ditching school too much and approached the failing absence limit.

All information at HLA is skewed by staff/teachers/and students who are currently there willing to bend the truth to become members of such groups as "stars" "Student council" in which they get free off campus trips.

I won a mathematics competition for HLA, 1st place meet score, I was asked to write an article for the paper and to make a speech. The article i submitted was replaced by one written by a teacher- and I was told right before my speech exactly what I had to say to the student body.

edit:  Annie hall, if your son was "perfect" he wouldnt of been there in the first place. "Perfect" is a word that has no meaning when it comes to teens. For your information I personally have had contact with 4/5's members of "STARS" (highest priviledge group based on how they work with the program) and most of them are doing drugs behind their parents backs, and lives are maybe even worse before HLA took part on them.

HLA is a school that will not only fail to fix your childrens problems, but will show them a world of loneliness, tyranny, hatred, and some of the worst youth's of america.
I was in a room for about 2 weeks and I was forced to participate in an action called "Speed dreams", I "had a choice" but in reality i didnt. I could tell on them, and then become a center of negative attention for the rest of my time there, adding more loneliness to my already shattered world. There is no way a human can go through such drama and live life in a perfect fashion.[ This Message was edited by: ap47 on 2006-03-03 11:05 ]

hla is the worst school anyone could ever fathom. I was one of the few people to ever go there that got diagnosed with "no mental problems, real life issues" and i/the campus was treated like total shit. the school teaches absolutely NO independence. for example- if u dont do your homework- u get to avoid 'restrictions' for part of the afternoon by talking in air conditioned rooms eating candy. restrictions are rigged- i once lost a vacation break because i passed a packet of sugar to my friend. there is no good reasononing for that. i also watched a jean claude van dam movie called bloodsport and me and some friends shouted 'comete' (the fight tournament hook name) whenever we saw eachother- and got put on 2 weeks of restrictions for "glorifiying violence".  i had never done drugs before taht school- but being around kids telling great tales about drugs influenced me to smoke pot/eatshrooms/smoke opium/ and do speed dreams- the food was horrible and the sandwhich meets were almost impossible to eat and left out for over 24 hours sometimes. they manipulate your parents with confusing ideas and are hard to root out until far after the program is over.