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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Yahoo group for Lifers
« on: February 04, 2006, 04:59:00 PM »
I thought all the Striaght programs had been closed back in the 80's and did not know of any other programs coming from them. I also had posted a reply to another topic and had a less than ideal reception. Hence my reaction. I also did not think any one who had a negative outlook to Life would be interested in joining another group that differed from one consistent with their opinions, or even care if there was another group. Lets be honest too, after the way people have been treated who did not have a bad experience at Life here, unless I offered a net as it were, for a site intended to be a resting place to recconect with folks, what is to stop them from figuring, "why bother I will get sniped there too".

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Yahoo group for Lifers
« on: February 04, 2006, 03:01:00 PM »
So I am learning, well at least about these other programs, some of which I had until lately not heard of. I honestly did not expect everyone to recall Life with glee. I had a bad experience myself as posted here on another board. But it was over good for me, and thats all I was saying. Everyone has a right to feel and to vocalise those feelings. If there are now places hurting people, as I said also, close them, but lets not leave folks with no solutions for help, if they want it. I wanted it. I came back from California to go in Life. Once I got in there I was shell shocked for the first couple weeks, but I wanted to do something positive with my life and can only hope I did. Thank you for your imput, as I do continue to learn things.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Yahoo group for Lifers
« on: February 03, 2006, 01:57:00 PM »
Until your post Eudora no one was willing to discuss, just cuss  -- me for having a different opinion. I will check out your book as well and as I did state here I have learned some things I did not know before. My complant was with those not wanting to discuss and speak with reason, or even attempt to try to find viable solutions. In all honesty, I did a web search and wondered in here seeking information. I got it. Thanks again.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Wonder what happened?
« on: February 03, 2006, 08:57:00 AM »
didn't say you were, just said I was as was Peggy. All I did was thank you for info. I also never claimed to  know you, specifically said you were a spammer nor did I point out anyone else in particular. Just stated some opinions and observations, and traded info. I also, despite some negativity, learned things I had not known.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Yahoo group for Lifers
« on: February 03, 2006, 08:08:00 AM »
On some points I do know of what you speak. While on my later phases we had a good number of girls come in from straight with terrible stories. I however nerver saw anyone in restraints, forced to clean toilets with a tooth brush, hit, or abused in any way. Perhaps I should explain as folks don't know my experience. I was very intraverted, almost to the point of being backwards. I had been horribly picked on most of my entire school life. I was raised by gradparents, so I had target painted on me for being different, being poorer, and I made the cardinal mistake of going about like someone who is an easy target for bully's, nervous,ackward,overly quiet. So I did drugs in an attempt to be accepted and popular, but it backfired, just gave the jerks more reasons to pick at me and threaten to beat me up. So I never let anyone see me cry. Now, in life I was confronted. I hated it. But I soon realised they used that same peer pressure to shake me out of my shell. Now here is the part everyone seems to have a hard time with. I was rarely called on to talk. Be it about my past, the current, or my future hopes. I guess they figured it was not my thing, (still ins't, I shake like a leaf in a hurrincane when in front of an audiance). However I did go through 2 over nighters with Ms. Pete. In small groups, while I didn't bawl my head off, I could talk much better. Guess that was staff's why of seeing where I was at. I did learn to stop blaming others for my choices. I did learn how to look at a situation and think it through instead of just reacting to it. I did learn how to stick up for myself and stop being a target. I learned how to accept myself and not place all my value in what others saw when they looked at me. They told me I could do anything I put my mind to and had value for who I was. Did I still make mistakes? Sha! Going in the Army was one. Ft. Dix New Jersy in December was cold! That place made life look like a cake walk. I got hurt and sent home before I even finished basic! My first husband was a mistake. He would tell me I was stupid, and that no one else would want me. That and the physical violence I call abuse. I gave him 7 years and filed for divorce, finally, on my 7th wedding annaversary. (Vindictive me, nah)seemed appropriate somehow. Do I always apply what I learned, no. Did I do drugs again after life, yup. But I realised due to what I had learned I was just repeating old patterns that never got me anywhere and stopped. Geez, even now I make mistakes. I hate my house, bought while under construction. Should have listened to the husband and waited. But now I own my mistakes and do what I can to try to fix them. I also clean up after myself and if I have hurt others try to apologise and not only help them feel better, but not repeat actions that hurt them. I may not write m.i.s or say I just made ammends and step number whatever, but the basic ideas are there. Now, if these other places are still doing what straight did, close them. But should we stop trying to help kids who are doing drugs, confussed and not getting any help from their folks who are just as clueless? No one is born with an instruction book, we learn through what we experience. But untill people are shown a different way of doing things, a good deal just keep doing the same old stuff.  Whould I like to save the world? Sure, if it meant I could live in a better place and didn't have to put up with others crap. I'm gonna tell it like it is. Most of us do stuff for our own reasons, not because we want to be Mother Teresa  the second. But if you watch the news you see cops being arrested for child molestation. Shit is not limited to these programs. Recall the big Catholic preist scandals? Preists doing kids, geez, in an instution older than a lot of countries, the Catholic church! America is supposed to be the  most powerful country in the world, yet we have homeless people wandering the streets, people that can't afford life saving medication, sadistic assholes teaching third grade. Sitting here bitching about how hard my past, that can't be changed was, ain't fixing didley.  But I did offer what the bitchers swear they did not have, a choice, to go to an alternative site, one that encourages people to think and exchange ideas for fixing what sucks. I have yet to read one sentence about how to change these bad places into places where kids like I was at 16,-- not a hard core drug addict by any means, just a kid who needed to be taught a different way of doing things,something my folks did not know how to do because they were not shown -- into such a place as that. I did pick up some bad stuff from the program too. I cuss horribly, say fu-- way too much. Probably will the rest of omy life. Still detest public speaking, which may have started before the program, dunno, but having to talk there just stands out. And can we talk? I mean for those of you now parents of a teen, do they admit they are wrong or made a mistake. At that age we all thought we knew more than the adults, and were indestructable. Just wait till you are a parent of a teen. All parents I know have gloried in regaling me in tales of trying to raise a teen. I have been through a lot,much more than writing for a couple days here could began to cover, and I think if it were not for the program I would have given up years ago. But now, that strikes me as such a waste and I have a stubborn drive to keep going. Go figure. I'll climb down off my soapbox now. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say it!

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Wonder what happened?
« on: February 02, 2006, 08:54:00 PM »
thank you Helena, yes actually I could use some motivation! Especially when it comes to excerising, danm those New Year resolutions. LOL
Thanks as well for letting me know about Peggy. Funny she was from Port Charlotte too. How odd life goes like that.
But god don't ask me to sing please! I couldn't carry a tune in Helena's basket!

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Yahoo group for Lifers
« on: February 02, 2006, 08:47:00 PM »
well, again just going from my own experience, when Matthews step mommy beat him into a coma eveentually resulting in my son's death, I was so damn bitter, I made some of the people in here, (again going off of their posts I read) look like Mary friggin poppins. I hated! I lost faith in all of humanity, faith in any sort of higher power, I mean hell what kind of god would allow something like that happen to an innocent baby who couldn't possible have done anything to deserve to have his head kicked so hard the right side of his brain was moved into left by a whole centimeter!? I was also one of the most miserable people in the world. I still have anger issues, ten years later. I still feel a bit suspect of humanity in general. Thats the whole reason I carry a glock and a firearms permit to make it legal. But I have let most of the anger go. I can take clean breaths again. I smile, have fun and well, live. If one can be as bitter as some of these posts sound and not have a hard life, well you just go then, and more power to ya. But let me ask you this. I respect your right to feel pissed about life, can you respect my right not to? Or can some of the others in here in your opinion?

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Without hate
« on: February 02, 2006, 08:35:00 PM »
you actually bring up some very valad points. I know of at least 2 folk that did not go all the way through and did just fine.

I also do not revere Ms. Pete. I feel shes just as human as the rest of, puts her pants on one leg at a time like we do too. Did you know she smoked cigarettes? Yup hell of an example there. But I do think she meant well. My grandfather died while I was in the program. I did mention they raised me right? By the time they finally let me go to the hospital to see him, it was too late, he did not know me, so even doing it "their way" making amends was impossible. Funny thing was I did and do regrett the way I treated him when I partied. I will never forget that, but I have moved on, can talk about the good times as well as bad, and would like to hook up with some of the other lifers.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Yahoo group for Lifers
« on: February 02, 2006, 03:57:00 PM »
I can't comment on what happened after I stopped going in to groups. I have heard it did get bad. I have heard it was the same. I personally never saw anyone get tyed up in restraints. I did not say it was all roses either. All I am saying is some of try to look at things without bitterness.I have had much worse happen in my life than the program, I don't spend my days screaming about what was done to me, or what I lost. I am however sorry for people that were hurt so badly they can't seem to move forward, but seem stuck in that bad experience. How hard life must be. I was only hoping to offer a hand shake, a smile, a place to feel safe. I fully support ones right to free speech, but as I said earlier, if one disagrees here with the status quo, slam life, they get jumped. Kind of like getting confronted if you didn't say what every one else did huh? For the record I am only a little German American. Mostly Scot-Irish and Irish, but assume what you like if it makes you feel better.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Yahoo group for Lifers
« on: February 02, 2006, 03:46:00 PM »
actually no, not on staff, I was too quite for that. But like I said, you all do such a good job on the negative stuff here. I just don't want to be redundant thats all. Just trying to offer something different. If I thought some could be anything but abusive I would say just come on in. I can't help but notice, reading through all the posts, that anyone who does not slam life altogether gets slammed and abused. Thats just not my bag baby. :grin:

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Yahoo group for Lifers
« on: February 02, 2006, 01:18:00 PM »
Alrighty, anyone interested in POSITIVE dialog concerning life, I have created a yahoo group, Life Inc, friends, in the relationships, friends section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/heidi83
All who have nice intentions are welcome. No spam or abuse will be tolerated. This site already serves that function. The yahoo site is for lifers to revisit, have reunions and revitalise if possible from the stress of everyday life.
Thanks for any Interest, Heidi S.
formerely Heidi Moore, lifer form 83 to 84.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Without hate
« on: February 02, 2006, 08:43:00 AM »
that is supposed to be ninetysix *underscore* vette @---

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Wonder what happened?
« on: February 01, 2006, 10:05:00 PM »
has anyone heard anything about another reunion?

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Without hate
« on: February 01, 2006, 09:43:00 PM »
let me give you my hotmail email. ninetysix_vette@hotmail.com
yes I used to own a corvette, I did say I had done well, but grew up and traded it in on a Jeep. What can I say, grew up not poor, but not quite middle class either. So I am materalistic, at least I'm honest.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Without hate
« on: February 01, 2006, 07:44:00 PM »
For the record, the program fee was supposed to be based on your parents income. Those who had more paid more, and boy did I stay at some of those places. I also stayed at places with single working moms, that looked a lot like my home. I was raised by grandparents on a fixed income and they didn't pay 3 grand. I am also not a sheeple. I follow my own path I make for myself. It was wanting to be accepted that got me a seat on the bench from hell. I call it that because it was hard. I remeber being cold in the winter with open windows, but hey I survived. I also remember some other girl who was really sick, went to hospital and had surgery. They did take care of her.  I am not a christain, or belong to any other organization typically thought of as one encouraging one to conform. I am a "pagan" ha, just love that term. I just feel I was taught some valuable living tools. Did it ever cros some folks "abused" minds that maybe the kids acting out could have inadvertantly hit/hurt kids not acting out and they were restrained for that reason if  not to keep them from seriously injuring themselves.
Lastly what does not kill you, will make you stronger, and hey it did! I have survived an abusive husband, his new wife killing my son,who was not even 2 yet (happened 10 years ago so I can talk about it now)and have gone on to meet and marry a good man, and still manage to keep going. Some of what I learned at life helped me get through that.

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