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Please again I say do not missunderstand me- And what ever he did was not sexual his wife slept in the other room and watch tv wore paints went to the movies and read newspapers name it.  did he teach that woman where shit yeal and i fell victem to that.again all i was trying to say is I was sorry for what he did I did not do it. and thats above poster for starting this fight and making me look like a bad person when all I was trying to do was expalne why I knew he fucked up.
Again I never said it was right. You people just want to fight. God will see you one day too. Above person.

It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.
--Arthur C. Clarke, author


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If I came across that what he did was right I did not mean to so sorry. What I was trying to say is that I do not believe that Lester roloff ever intended to start a cult. Was it force fed yes I will admit that it was and it was wrong. I believe that he believed in his heart that he was doing good. And I know that he believed that because I was also close to him and remember that he was sencier in his beliefs. I truly believe that he thought he was doing the right thing. For some it worked. For too many it did not. I was trying to say this is the way he was taught and so believed it to be doing right. I also said that i felt very sad for him because If he has realized all the harm he has caused he would weep for the people he hurt. I said I would not want to be in his shoes and I would not. I do not believe he was a bad man I think in his heart he thought he was right but upon facing him self in the next life has a lot to face. There has been times in my life that I thought that I did good for someone and it turned out all wrong but what he started my gwd there must be how many? I do not excuse him, I just understand his teachings and understand somewhat it did in the name of his teachings. I never meant to imply they where right. Really I mean it. I simply wanted to point out that he came from a long line of people that made some really big mistakes that is all. I know that because I fell victim to them to them also...Please do not missunderstand me. Again I say i am sorry for what happened. I went in to hating what happen to me till I heard their stories. And then I felt bad for what happened and grateful I did not have to go through the same. I won't tell you my story because I would be hurt over it. But trust me I know.

Whoever kindles the flames of intolerance in America is lighting a fire underneath his own home.
--Harold E. Stassen, 1947


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In response: What I meant by teacher is people like the Cameron's who twisted his teaching's and used them to punish and be-little and torture, girls. The teachers that took Gods words and twisted them and and used them to punish girls and make them feel bad about themselves. Then they would hide behind Lester Roloff and proclaim that as his teachings. A lot of girls walked away from that home thinking that it was Lester Roloff that was doing those things when In fact he would not of done hardly any of those things he wasn't that kind of man. I do not think he had any ideal of what those people where doing and after he died he sure couldn't of stopped it. He was a man and yes human with faults, He was a preacher that started out with a dream to help old people, pregnant girls, boys,
People in jail. His teachings where not that un-common in our day. There where preachers that preached fire and brimstone. He wasn't raised with t.v. and rock and roll, I did not even have t.v. as a child we played outside and made our on fun. I for one was not allowed to hear rock and roll, I had to sneak to hear it. Think about where he came from. His Dad was an old southern preacher that he did not even like. Not sure but rumored his brother was a draft dodger.  Some in their town painted their porch yellow because of it. His sister died I think in waco.He made his rules according to how he grew up and what he was taught. He was brought up during the war. When the times changed he did not. He stuck with the old testament when it came to his rules. He believed the old ways was the right way. And the old ways before this country started changing where pretty tough. A girl did not dare get pregnant back then. A lot of woman died and so their children because of back door abortion's.
Rock and roll was a sin they fought to keep it out of homes and the public. T.V. use to be considered of the devil, Blacks had no rights.
Communism was a big deal then. And anything could be Communism. And everything was blamed on Communism even TV and rock and roll nude picture porn. Name it? It was OK for men to hit their wife's and keep them in line. Until my mom was 18 she could not even wear makeup.And then Only lipstick. Family's use to be God fearing family's.
They where hard on their kids. I could not even pee where a black person peed. Nobody wanted progress and feared it and was taught it from the bible. The thing about the bible is you can take 1 scripture and get 50 meanings from it.
What I am saying is look back at the way things use to be. He went by what he was taught. And truly believed that what he was taught would some how save the world. All he knew was things did not use to be that way. He wanted to put them back. Today what we consider a cult. Was their teachings. Your parents didn't give a shit less if you wanted to read the bible or go to church back then. Most of them where not given choices. They believed the way their parents told them to and in a lot of countries and religions it is still that way. Every one is trying to make him that wacko in Waco and he was not. If he was guilty for anything it was for not talking to the kids or listening to them. He was guilty for not watching the workers more closely and his homes. He truly believed that these where good people he had hired. He was guilty for being old school. Not Cult schooled. If that is the case then that would make most of our grandparents and their parents cult leaders.
If anyone made that place a cult it was the teachers the people who run the homes because they knew better. They used it for power and money and control, They used it to hurt and destroy life's and tare apart family's. It spun out of control. I knew Lester Roloff to and he would of went to hell and back for these people he loved. He was gentle but Stern. He was pulled from all sides over these homes But only one man. He was trusting and loving. And he cried real tears and felt real heartbreak for a child that had been abused or broken. He just could not save the world. I agree with most of what the poster before me posted and I thank you for pointing it out. I to feel not just bad but horrible for the kids after me also. And I wish that me saying I sorry would help. It wasn't right what happen to them. I tell you this it haunts me to. Because it wasn't how it started.
And yes he made mistakes big mistakes that all of us have learned by. And so will our kids because we will have taught them. Do I think he is happy in heaven? No,I think he weeps for these people who have been wronged and regrets that he was more self willed than God willed.
He has a whole eternity to weep and face himself and his mistakes. That he can not undo. And my heart weeps for him because I would not want to be in his shoes. It did not start out a cult. But ended up one.And for the people who still endure that pain I would take it all away if I could. And I know I am sorry that it did is a drop in the bucket, But for what is worth although small I will be the first to stand up and say it, and wish that only others would and say I am sorry, Can I help?

I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.    
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie


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You know I was in the home in the early 70's as long as 4 year's saw a lot of Lester Roloff. My first trip to the home was in one of his first small planes. Scared me half to death you see i think it was the worse thunder storm ever. I think his son in law was flying it. Little unsure on that, Memories fade after 30 years. My mom was with us and I tell you my head hit the ceiling of that plane and shook me up so bad I was praying before I got there. In fact the ride was so ruff that I swore I would never do anything wrong ever in my life, If God would Let me kiss the ground. When we finally pulled up at the home, which I was expecting to be a ranch with horses and all kinds of fun things to do. There set one dorm and a farm surrounding it. It was late and there stood Pa Pa and Granny. I was sent by the state not because I was arrested but because I had been raped and molested by my older brother since I was 8. So I kept running away and that is how I got raped. My parents fought all the time my dad was a drunk and beat my mom from the time I was born. I remember as young as 3 jumping on my dads back to try to get him off my mom. He would always get his shot gun and threaten my mom with it and threaten to kill himself. It was not uncommon to see my dad sitting on the edge of the bed crying Holding his shot gun in his mouth. I was sure that one day he would do it. Things got so bad that I got on drugs and started cutting my legs and arms. It became my way of copying. My grandmother when I was at a very young age use to tie me in a closet for hours and I thought I was going to explode. I was in braces until the age of 7 so I was never picked up and held. All I could think is why was I here and why would God let this happen to a little girl? I felt very betrayed by God. All that I could think of and even planed my own funeral at the age of 7 was that I did not belong here and I wanted to die. I think when I got on that plane that night It was the first time I ever wanted to live. So the state ordered me there to get me away from my family.
I did not feel threatened by the home when we pulled up because there where no fences Open space and Yes horses and a farm. Pa Pa hugged me when I came in For A good few minutes. I did not know him, But to be actuality held by this stranger how did not know me, I cried. Just broke down and he held me quietly while I did.
The first words that came out of that mans mouth was We love you and you are safe now. Granny said come on lets get a bath and get those clothes off, and get you a room. So then  my introduction to the new rules.And my new roommate that would soon become my shadow for a while. I was hungry so they took me to the kitchen and gave me fruit and cottage cheese.
The next day was confusing waking up to a bell and broadcast and my first new bible. In the weeks to come I learned about keeping my room clean what going to church was, Plucking chickens, And memorizing scriptures was the reward for getting to go on tours and with it the promise of getting to travel and to meet people. Which I thought hey? Not so bad? I was 13 and curious about the world.
And then came my introduction to Lester Roloff.
Skinny man with big gray eyebrows Never seen without that bible in hand grabbed me up and said come on we are going to the Vally which was I think in or near Mexico. It was an old folks home with the kindest people I ever meet and fresh squeezed tangerine juice where we would spend most of the day picking oranges and grapefruit and tangerines. And man could those old people cook. We had a spread and roloff at the end of the table with all his fruits and veggies. We flew down there and was a pretty smooth ride however I was a tad gun shy. But on the way back, Its started to storm again and off we went that plane shaking and bumping. I knew we would be struck by lightning. And started to cry this time. Well Lester Roloff smiled from ear to ear and I thought, what is he smiling about? Is this man crazy? And then came a baller out of his mouth and he started singing living by faith. Raised that hand and stated to lead us singing. And behind this slender faced man with Rosy cheeks and blue eyes with out a care in the world was the windshield of the plane And it was black and rain pounding being lite up on in off by the lighting. Then we quoted psalms 121 and palms 119 and following that his stories of faith in God. Again I found myself praying God If you Just get me safely to the ground I will change my life. Plus since he was praying I did not think a little bargaining with God would hurt.
There was one more time I rode in his plane and  I begged him to take me to the light-house. I wanted to go fishing! By George I was determined I bugged him every service till he took me.
Back on the plane again. And I'll be damned if it did not rain again. The mans faith was unshakable on that plane. But we made it there with all our lessons on faith. And trust me when I say faith got us there. I thought about it a thousand times I guess how daring he was. Then one day he told us the story about testing God.
And I thought it even more then he is testing God. That he was ignoring Gods on warnings and testing him. I said it a bunch after that one time he won't come back and low and behold on my wedding day he died in that plane crash And boy did I get a chill. Because inside I expected it somehow. I truly believed with my heart that it would happen. But to who I wondered. I know Elane was on there and she had to be the meanest woman I ever met. Rotten to the core I tell ya.
She was fat and red headed and mean. She was across from my room so if you said boo she got ya. When I go to heaven if she is there I will just shit my paints if that is possible, I'll pretty much figure that if GOD can forgive her he can forgive anyone of anything. You know Roloff use to race cars before he was a preacher and he told God that if he would pull him through he would be a preacher and never race again. He might of broken that promess in the sky.

When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence.
-- Gary Lloyd

[ This Message was edited by: Mishell on 2005-11-20 10:22 ]

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:smile: Let the good times roll

The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.
--Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President


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