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:roll: Not this shit again. Let's see how bottom-up it is when the fine folks of a Boise County grassroots effort reply to a mild-mannered 30-something accountant type's description of this business.

And then link them to a forum where Milk and luke conspire to kill parents? yeah.. very effective.  :roll:

Branson defends space trips at eco-prize launch
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Published: 10 February 2007

Sir Richard Branson yesterday defended his plans to offer £100,000 trips into space while at the same time setting up a £12.8m prize for scientists to devise a way of absorbing carbon dioxide released in the atmosphere.

He was speaking at the launch of the Virgin Earth Challenge, which offers a $25m reward for the invention that most successfully removes significant quantities of carbon dioxide over a period of 10 years without harming the environment.

Sir Richard was asked how he could justify such a prize when he owns an airlineand has set up a separate space tourism company. "Let's confront the airline question," he said. "I have an airline. I can afford to ground that airline today. My family have got businesses in mobile phones and other businesses, but if we do ground that airline today, British Airways will just take up the space. So what we are doing is making sure we acquire the most carbon dioxide-friendly planes. We're making sure that 100 per cent of profits we make from our transportation businesses are put back into things like the prize."

Virgin Galactic, his space-tourism company, will use hybrid rocket motors and turbo-fan engines that will be "almost" environmentally benign, he said, and the cost of a space ride could come down to the price of an economy-class ticket.

Flanked by Al Gore, the former American vice president, he said he was offering the biggest scientific prize in history to stimulate interest in the technology of capturing and storing millions of tonnes of man-made carbon dioxide, the principal greenhouse gas.

The five-man judging panel will also include Jim Lovelock, the inventor of the Gaia theory, Jim Hansen, a leading American climatologist, Tim Flannery, an Australian zoologist, and Sir Crispin Tickell, the former British ambassador to the UN.

If the judges believe a project should win, Sir Richard will pay $5m at the time of their decision and $20m at the end of 10 years - if the goals are achieved. He said he had no idea whether the prize would ever be won but that unless we could devise a way of curbing carbon dioxide levels we faced a major extinction of life.

"We will lose half of all species on Earth, including the polar bear and the walrus, we will lose the coral reefs, including the Great Barrier Reef, 100 million people will be displaced due to rising sea levels, farmlands will become deserts, rainforests wastelands," Sir Richard said.

Mr Gore said the prize should not deflect from other attempts at curbing emissions. "It should not be seen as a substitute for, or distraction from, the main aim, which is to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide ," Mr Gore said. "We are now facing a planetary emergency and things that would not have been considered in the past ought now to be considered."

Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the Earth, welcomed the initiative but warned that more should be done to encourage more environmentally friendly forms of travel. "Many of the ways of tackling climate change, such as energy efficiency and renewables, already exist, and it is essential that these are implemented as soon as possible. We cannot afford to wait for futuristic solutions which may never materialise," Mr Juniper said.

"Sir Richard must also look at his business activities and the contribution they make to climate change. The world will find it very difficult to tackle climate change if air travel continues to expand and space tourism is developed," he added.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/sci ... 255698.ece

How we wax poetically about the past. Yet what do we intend to do about the future?

Who balls shall we kick my good brothers and sisters?

Our parents? Or we could always blame society...

Knock Knock

I'm getting really, really sick of this "they're growing" or "they're socially acceptable" or "it's the next logical option". Bullshit!

The truth hurts.

In fact, it is socially and logically impossible for it to be the next logical option, simply because of the price tag. Professional child abuse is expensive, and most of the fuckheads out there are perfectly content to do it themselves.

The juvie justice system has programs too, not sure why they don't get discussed here more often. Just as much abuse occurs in them. But hey, it ain't white kids so who gives a shit.

Show me one good, solid piece of evidence (I'd love to see someone do that psychiatrist thing on even a small sample size) that this industry is growing, or growing at the rate that people have been claiming, over the last five years.

Lets take the obvious example, WWASPS. If anyone should be shut down, it's them. The amount of negative press, shut downs, legal inquiries, the shit that's happened to them. They shouldn't exist. They've doubled in size over the past five years. They have netter hundreds of millions of dollars over that time and effectively passed legislation in a state called Montana perpetuating their SCL program. Proof? It's staring us in the face.

Back the claim up. Count heads. Of course, that is an impossible request; only the industry has those numbers, and anything that comes from them- even unofficially- is liable to be bullshit.

Any investor worth his salt can tell study a company and find whether they are growing, shrinking, worth investing in, not investing in. Right now this industry is paying gold dirt, and there is a gold rush on to build these programs all over the place. WWASPS has shown us how to build a financial and power empire on troubled teens. There's a pile of gold out there in the form of parents who don't have the time or patience to deal with their teen, and don't mind spending 4 grand a month to pay someone else to do it. Now my generation is having children. I have enough friends to know that their kids are going to end up in programs, you can spot the families a mile away.

Remember, a lot of the "new" programs are just old, defeated ones repackaged. The industry numbers- if they're just not making them up- are probably still counting Casa By The Sea and Moravia Academy.

Casa has been reopened and is now currenly operating! WWASPS has opened more programs than have been shut down.

uoThere are shutdowns that Fornits never hears about. There are lawsuits that never reach the news.

New programs also don't make the news, and are less likely to.

Consider HLA. HLA is bleeding to death- this is common knowledge around here- but if you looked to them as a source of info, you'd think they were going strong. They're not.

How big is HLA? How many kids go there? Does it make parents less or more comfortable to seek help in an industry that seems to be doing a lot of fight abuse. When in reality, the effort is tiny. A program here and there are attacked by disgruntled parents. Most aren't.

Again I point to the fact that the APA and the Surgeon General both disapprove. A crowd of idiots on some daytime talk show, who have no idea what they're doing and don't care, does not a majority make.

So you think the Surgeon General has more in common with most parents than does Dr Phil, Maury or Oprah? Who's advice do you think more people listen to. How many people do you think even know the name of the Surgeon General?

If there is one thing I'd like to direct at Fornits, the one message I hope to really get through people's heads, it is this: Shut up, quit whining, get your nose to the grindstone like DJ and Deb have, and start ripping these places to bits.

Oh.. so that's why you post here, to motivate everyone? lol...

I actually find the concern over profanity to be a useful litmus test. If you're more worried about the profanity than the child abuse, there's something fucking wrong with you.

Hey we agree on something.

My younger brother started falling into the same patterns as me when I was a teen and my parents recently came to me for help since I am an expert on the industry and teens and everything. I sat down for a full day coming up with a new plan on how to deal with my little brothers depression and anxiety and acting out without getting involved with quacks or child torturers. So we decided to give the boy a little scare. We figured that since he was sad and worried all the time, we would put him in a situation so much worse that he would realize how good his life really is, and a situation so scary that when he gets home the everyday worries will pale in comparison. So me and a few buddies of mine, with my parents permission of course, and we "kidnapped" him and took him away for couple days to an isolated motel room out in the desert. We kept him blindfolded for the couple days, but treated him well. He was so scared he pissed his pants regularly, and even shat his pants once. He begged for his life and to be freed. He said he would do anything. We all were trying not to laugh while this was going on. The plan was working wonderfully. We took him on a Friday afternoon and it had to be over by Monday for school so we kept him isolated by himself in the bathroom of the motel room and slid pizza under the door, and told him he could drink out of the sink. He still had no idea who we were. We told him that we were from an international ring of sex slaves and he was going to be sold to a middle eastern business man as a teenage sex slave, and he believed us! This is when he really started to freak out. He kept trying to bargain with us, saying he could pay us thousands of dollars to let him free. He was shaking, you could here it in his rattled voice when he spoke. So after a few days of this and telling him that worse things were going to happen, he was pretty much ready to lose it. He stopped using the toilet, and just lied down in his own mess and made weird moaning sounds like a fog horn. It was hilarious. We put our masks back on and took him out on Sunday evening after it got dark, and put him in the car. We drove him out into the middle of the desert and told him he was too much trouble and the arab guy didn't want him anymore he wanted someone more compliant. So we told him to dig a hole or we'd shoot him. Once he was done digging the hole we said that if he didn't comply, that hole was going to be his grave. This part might seem extreme but it is crucial. This is when I finally saw the finally bit of will inside of him, give up. He was broken. He said he would do anything we want, just don't hurt him. It was over. We drove back to the city with him blindfolded and told him we were going to meet his benefactor and new arab daddy. Instead, we pulled into our house, and we took off the blindfold and he saw our parents standing on the driveway. That must have been a surprise to him, he really looked shocked! He was so happy to see us he just fell down on the ground in the fetal position, sobbing like a baby. This is the grateful son my parents always wanted.

TBS are bad places. You can deal with these problems on your own at home in creative ways that don't cost much money at all!

If they're looking for someone to sell them The Answer® all packaged up neat-n-tidy like with a clearly printed price tag, there's always Struggling Turkeys.