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Hey Eudora,
   Wanna pick up some of this conversation on a PM? I'll try.
B.

Interesting, if we were able to sit in a coffee house somewhere, I'd be able to tell you a lot more and 'share' some of my experiences. I've been to GTMO and thoroughly understand what is going on down there. Can't talk much about the School of the Americas- only what's come out in the media--- Which brings me to another issue. Most of what we, the GAP (General American Public)see and hear is from the media. They are able to put their spin on the story and it is usually one sided. Too bad, because there is so much more going on in places like GTMO, Kosovo and Iraq, and most of it is good for the population there and helpful for the poeple in their efforts to move to a more free and democratic society. However, much of the media paints a different/horrible picture. Sure, we can argue this all you want, in fact, that ability you have to argue and say what you want on this site and in others is only secured by the men and women of the Armed Forces that defend this, and other, freedoms you have...

 The lady who wrote this letter is Pam Foster of Pamela Foster and Associates in Atlanta. She's been in business since 1980 doing interior design and home planning. She recently wrote a letter to a family member serving in Iraq....... Read it!
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> WHAT'S ALL THE FUSS?  "Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not  started by Islamic people who brought it to our
shores on September 11, 2001? Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally  murdered that day, in downtown
Manhattan, across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania?
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>  Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
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> And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?
Well, I don't.    I don't care at all.
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> I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
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> I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime
in Saudi Arabia.
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> I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's
head while Berg screamed  through his gurgling
slashed throat.
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> I'll care when the cowardly so-called insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.
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> I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their
suicide bombs.
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> I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law
instead of  the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.
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> In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.
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> When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college hazing incident, rest
assured that I don't care.
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> When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the
bank that I don't care.
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> When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is
complaining that  his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely
believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.
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> And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and --- you guessed it - - - I don't care ! ! ! ! !
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> If you agree with this view point, pass this on to all your e-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior! If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button.
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> Should you choose the latter, then please don't
complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country.
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> I am not deleting this, I am sending it on, but only after I add:  ME, TOO!

June 25, '82 to JUL, '83. Was there for part of your stay, Hip, and glad to have spent some time with you and the family.  Always respected the shit out of your Dad- hell, he scared the shit our of me.
  Don't know 2/3's of these Anons, but they really don't have a clue as to how it was when we moved from St. Pete to Springfield. If you wern't there, you wouldn't know and have no basis to talk about it. We lived it, the whole F. Collins incident, M. Riddle, J. Sailor, M.M. and other Staffers.
  I think the part of who had it worse, or bad or whatever is relative to the individual. I just don't get why many of them are still living in thier own shit and stuck in the past. Man, that was over 20 years ago and we're in our 40s now. would hope that some have grown up a bit since then...

11B man, but never felt secure the whole time over there. Always worried about some little shit bastard poppin off something from a bridge or can or trash from the side of the road. BIAP wasn't bad, except for the occassional mortar that came in. Man, you never knew if the next one was for you or not. That, and everyone you ran into on the road or out patrolling would look at you and smile, but you never really knew if they were going to take the next shot.
   Folks doin a lot of bitchin in here about life, but I don't think they'd like to spend time over there. I have a rough time driving down roads here, sometimes thinking that I'm gonna get hit under the next overpass or the trash bag on the side of the road is an IED. And 4th of July suckes with all the damn firecrackers and shit goin off. Talk about soem deep down repressed shit...

Fred Collins was a pussy at the time, and probably still is... although he may be a rich pussy. I remember his skinny ass in the program and he did/caused more harm to those of us inside than good.

13 Months, Brother in 26 months.

I told my wife (friend) at the time about STr8. We started dating in '85 and I told her immediately about all that happened in Straight and where I was coming from. she even tried to relate, funny. But, she did understand and we have survived with three kids for twenty years now. I'm one of those crazy kids that made it through and never looked back once I left. Sure, i tell my wife and kids about what I went through, and I think that helps. But I aint gonna let myself get stuck in the past- too much fun living now...