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On 2005-03-17 01:17:00, Robin Martin wrote:

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Must have been the latter, since I was not of driving age at the time. I chose to go to the Seed. I was not under any external threat or compulsion. I get the impression this was a bit unusual, but I guess it explains why I wasn't yelled at or locked in. I was not a flight risk.
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DITTO, My friend...It's good to know we were not all "Gregs" or "Gingers"   :eek: "

 Hate to burst ya alls bubble but I signed myself in,was motivated,wanted to learn,participated like crazy and got out of my two week program and into my three month program
rather quickly.I was well behaved and treated fairly well by staff.I was never come down upon until I left but then forced to return.Why did a motivated,hardworking seedling decide to leave.
  I got this gut feeling that something was seriously wrong.That gut feeling had been evolving for a while and started with the come down sessions.I remember some heavy duty ones.When I tell others who haven't a clue about the Seed or straight about the come down sessions thier mouthes drop in shock.But the realization came while I was on my three months and it had to do with the amount of food.You should be able to figure that out.
  As I said before ,do a little more reading and research.The thing is, after a little studying a few years after getting out ,I realized that,in
that gut feeling I was right.The question we should be asking is: does the end justify the means?In other words,do we as free civillized Americans believe in the abolishment of basic constitutional rights and condone the use of torture(some things that happened at the seed would be seen as torture under international law,deprivation of sleep and water for example)on children?If we do believe that it's o.k. then maybe we shouldn't be calling ourselves American!And actually you can look at this politically. The same people who created straight Mrs.Sembler
 being one, was out telling protesters they shouldn't be protesting on the public sidewalk in front of Baywalk, which is a constitutional
right but, then what do the founders and organizers of the Seed and Straight or thier government buddies care about rights and free thought!

This forum is fantastic!!!Congrates to who ever started it up!!I found you all just by chance!I now live over seas and have recently been following the unjust arrest of peace protesters in St.Pete which occurred in front of Baywalk,which led to Sembler corp.,that led on to straight and then on to you guys.
  Hey John,remember me?I escaped in the middle of the night barely squeezing out thru the bathroom jaluosie windows.I was pretty damn desperate to get out.It was my third and final escape.I was lucky.My parents didn't put me back in under a court order.
  John, you have to admit,the Seed was a unique and profound experience!Now at 50 I still think back on those days with great interest.It was difficult for the first few years after leaving  because everything I did was an inner battle between the freedom to be an individual or conforming to the ideas of the group.
  But a few years after escaping I ran across a book about mass brainwashing of American POWs
by Korean military and it was all there!Food and sleep depravation,physical uncomfortableness,(we were like sardines on those wooden benches)sin and confession,cut off from any family contact(for POWs mail)everyone on the outside inclueding family and friends are out to hurt you,or forgotten about you because you are worthless,but we (seed/Koreans)can save you,we can make you whole again!John,it might help to  do a little reading and research.
  And as far as others,I can still see all those
 trapped faces.Faces from as young as 9 on up to the 24 year old with the full beard.(during my last days there he shaved it off)I wonder what has happened to them all?What's happened to Libby
or Paul or the great con and showman himself Art Barker?
  We all went around chanting "I LOVE YOU" and how happy we were because every day straight was just like christmas but it was all so fake!In reality there was no tenderness within the system of the program.It was a program of cruelty and humiliation in order to indoctrinate.
   And you know something,I'm not angry at you or hate you, what good is that going to do me and I'm sure you could give a f__k,but I do feel sorry for you.And I understand your anger which comes from the fear of one day realizing the Seed was wrong and you were part of that wrong.
Coming to terms with that is not going to be easy, but when and if you do, it will make you a better person.
  Anyway glad I've run in to you all and I'll be dropping in now and again to see what's up.
  Ya all take care!
       The seed indeed is all you need.  HA!