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On 2005-07-20 15:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-07-20 14:59:00, obsidian student wrote:


"Alot less than my college tution that I am going to be paying off until I'm 35."

Aw shucks!  You mean your parents spent your college fund to send you to a Brat Camp?



Don't feel bad ... that's pretty much the story for most kids whose parents buy into these programs thinking if they don't, the kid won't be going to college anyway.  They'll be dead or in jail.



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No unfourtunetly there was no college fund for me.

On 2005-07-20 14:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Sells pretty well to the true believer types---sounds lame and unlikely to unbiased parents who are here to look at possibilities...not propaganda

The parents should also consider what people's motives are. Those who have had terrible experiences as either a prisoner or parent of a prisoner motives are clear. They feel wronged, abused, whatever- and want to make it right. They want others to know what happened to them, so it will not continue to happen.



Now, what are the motives of program supporters? If you child already went through the program succesfully, why not move on with your life? What are you trying to prove? Do you think you are 'helping' other parents by arguing for the program?



Doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it. What does make sense? Money. Cold hard cash. That's why the program supporters are here. I could easily be on here telling everyone about what a GREAT experience I had at a program, only to sucker them into asking me how/why/where, etc. If I refer them to certain programs, I can make thousands of dollars. If my kid is in the program and I refer a new student, I can receive a free month! That's almost $4000!



They might argue it's not about the cash, or trying to persuade themselves of their own doubts, but that is their only motive.



Unless this hypocrite posting above who calls us 'true-believers', is a true believer themselves, only, they believe in the prorgam's ideology. A business to make hundreds of millions of dollars off middle-upper class white families who think they need to take drastic measures.



So- who in reality is a 'true-believer'. It is you, program supporters. You can peddle your bullshit all you want. You only confirm what sadistic, torturing pieces of shit you all are.



This is about FEAR, MONEY and CONTROL. Parents are tired of raising their child. They are tired of waiting up all night to see if they come home. Lucky for them, instead of actually BEING PARENTS, they can just pay someone else to try.



What's wrong with paying a unqualified HICK minimum wage to watch 20 kids? According to the program supporters, nothing. They'd rather have their child be in a private gulag than have to worry. Sounds pretty selfish, eh? It is.



Most parents don't even visit the faciltiy. A lot of parents hire kidnappers to take their child away.



Would you send your child away to a place you've never been?



Would you send your child away to people you've never met?



Would you send your child away to a facility where children have DIED recently?



Would you spend 4000 a month which amounts to nothing more than a camping trip or private prison?



If you answered yes to all these questions, you should talk to the anon program supporter. I'm sure they need another month of free tuition for their own kid that is locked up right now. Why else would they be here justifying themselves online ? "

I can obviously tell from the language the maturity level of many people posting.  If a person survives from cancer and after their recovery wanted to help others cope with the disease.  Would you say they are doing it because they want money.  I have no affiliation with any wilderness school, nor do I think every wilderness school is the perfect option for every child.  However I can say that I to was lied to by my parents and had the escort service take me from New York to oregan,  and I had to endure 4 months in the wilderness.  And I think a wilderness program can be an effective method of dealing with a troubled teenager.  However I would definetly sugggest to any parent thinking about sending there child to a wilderness program to research thouroughly.

Thank you for the kind words, I have been out of the program for almost 6 years now.  I am actully in the police academy currently,  I would definetly suggest research into the programs and to make sure the child going into the program is mature enough to learn from it.  I believe that one thing a wilderness program can do for a child is take them completly out of their enviroment by doing this it was a way I was able to look at my sit back and look at my life and see what mistakes I was making and was able to understand how to make some better choices.  I can also say that when a person is made to go without all the things you love in life you are able to appreciate those thing in a whole new way.

I was a student at obsidian trails from October of 1999 until March of 2000.  I had some problems when I was a teenager; I believe obsidian trails saved my life.  I read about the death of Eddie Lee and was in school when the two students ran away and robbed an old couple of their car.  However I believe the people who owned and operated Obsidian trails truly want to help children with there problems and I can tell you when I was out there in the beginning I would have said anything to get out of there so although I hear the horror stories of some how badly the children at obsidian trails were treated, I can say with first hand knowledge that It wasn?t that bad.  I am currently in the police academy in New York and hope that one day I will be able to help children the way that the employees of Obsidian Trails helped me.