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Title: ABM Ministries
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2009, 01:58:11 PM
Ok I might not be in the right place, but your post caught my attention. I have a niece that has been recently put in a reform school in Missouri called ABM Ministries. After talking with her in person this week, what she told me was remarkably the same treatment that you are describing here. I feel uneasy about what she has told me therefore, I am trying to do a little background check on this place. I do not feel that the parents are seeing things clearly. I do not have any basis for this other than a uneasy spirit. Any help that you could give me would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: An Apology to Survivors of Straight from a Former Exec Staff
Post by: richmullinax on January 01, 2009, 02:07:37 PM
Hi, Lazyh. I recommend contacting http://www.isaccorp.org/ (http://www.isaccorp.org/)

RM

 
Quote from: "lazyh"
Ok I might not be in the right place, but your post caught my attention. I have a niece that has been recently put in a reform school in Missouri called ABM Ministries. After talking with her in person this week, what she told me was remarkably the same treatment that you are describing here. I feel uneasy about what she has told me therefore, I am trying to do a little background check on this place. I do not feel that the parents are seeing things clearly. I do not have any basis for this other than a uneasy spirit. Any help that you could give me would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: An Apology to Survivors of Straight from a Former Exec Staff
Post by: psy on January 01, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
Quote from: "lazyh"
Ok I might not be in the right place, but your post caught my attention. I have a niece that has been recently put in a reform school in Missouri called ABM Ministries. After talking with her in person this week, what she told me was remarkably the same treatment that you are describing here. I feel uneasy about what she has told me therefore, I am trying to do a little background check on this place. I do not feel that the parents are seeing things clearly. I do not have any basis for this other than a uneasy spirit. Any help that you could give me would be greatly appreciated.
Well.  My advice first and foremost to parents would be to "trust your gut".  In addition, there are certain warning signs of abusive programs that one should pay attention to.  Have a look at this link here:

http://isaccorp.org/warningsigns.asp (http://isaccorp.org/warningsigns.asp)

The parents very well may not be seeing things clearly.  As Greg Kurtz of the GAO noted, parents are just as vulnerable to getting sucked in to eventually being either partial or full element of the program:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyK3XlsWIEQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyK3XlsWIEQ)

Take a look at what some parents at Kids Helping Kids partipated in:

http://www.isaccorp.org/kidshelpingkids.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/kidshelpingkids.asp)

Since you're in a neutral position, not being directly influenced by the program, you're probably one of the few people who can see this issue clearly.  Another suggestion I have is to take a look at the information several of our resident researchers have gathered and see if anything sounds familiar:

http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=ABM_Ministries (http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=ABM_Ministries)

Also, I would recommend you contact Isaccorp directly to see if there is any information they might have about the facility not listed publicly at the moment.
Title: ABM Ministries 2
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2009, 02:38:50 PM
Ok Thanks so much for the quick responses. I went to the isaccorp web site and looked at all of the warning signs. From what little I was able to talk to her about he stay there and what it was like she has described 16 out of the 41 questions. One thing that really bothers me is that she has to take a pill each day. She is told that it is a vitamin. Her dress apparel consists of denim overalls and a approved shirt. She is not allowed to shave her arm pits, legs, ect. She is not allowed to go to the bathroom without the group, so after 8:30 pm untill 8:00 am she holds it!! The floor has an alarm system on it to detect movement of anyone out of bed. The list goes on and on.
Title: Re: An Apology to Survivors of Straight from a Former Exec Staff
Post by: psy on January 01, 2009, 02:42:29 PM
It certainly doesn't sound good.  If it's not too personal, what were the alleged problems for which she was sent there?
Title: Re: An Apology to Survivors of Straight from a Former Exec Staff
Post by: psy on January 01, 2009, 02:50:02 PM
just FYi, I dug up this from the internet archives.  Seems the places has somewhat of a history:

http://web.archive.org/web/200503101111 ... index.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20050310111131/http://mountainparkhorrors.netfirms.com/index.html)

Also, you should know that many programs, once they close down or are closed down, open under alternative names or dummy "ownership", often employing the exact same staff, practices, and/or even marketing under the same name.  One good example of this is Alldredge Academy (AKA the Ayne Institute).  It's also worth noting that there is no federal regulation over these institutions, not that it would do any good (I have very little faith in the ability of the government doing anything but making things much worse).  What this essentially means is while you might assume there would be some authority looking over these places, you'd more often than not be very, very, wrong.

Also relevant, former studnets have alleged that they were drugged:

http://web.archive.org/web/200410130105 ... mazine.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20041013010501/mountainparkhorrors.netfirms.com/Chlorpromazine.htm)

Another site in the internet archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/200503061849 ... ivors.com/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20050306184920/www.mountainparksurvivors.com/)
Title: ABM Ministries 3
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2009, 02:53:50 PM
She is 15 years old and had been caught by her parents sneeking out at night to meet a 17 y/o boy. She was drinking alcohol. No drugs where envolved or criminal acts of any kind. She has a very close relationship to me and I do believe that she is not misleading me. She can not talk to her parents because of a coummunication break down however, that is why she comes to me. Being her aunt we have been very close since birth and have a wonderful relationship. Hope this helps. Quite honestly her parents are the ones that are out of control!!!!!!
Title: Re: An Apology to Survivors of Straight from a Former Exec Staff
Post by: psy on January 01, 2009, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: "lazyh"
She is 15 years old and had been caught by her parents sneeking out at night to meet a 17 y/o boy. She was drinking alcohol. No drugs where envolved or criminal acts of any kind. She has a very close relationship to me and I do believe that she is not misleading me. She can not talk to her parents because of a coummunication break down however, that is why she comes to me. Being her aunt we have been very close since birth and have a wonderful relationship. Hope this helps. Quite honestly her parents are the ones that are out of control!!!!!!

What you are describing is a pretty common situation.  Sadly, there is no due process so kids can be sent to these places for whatever reason, no matter how minor, regardless of whether the problem really lies with the parents (would any program make any money if they dared suggest such a thing!).

Right now you have two avenues of "attack".  You can tell the parents that it's a high likelyhood that their child is being abused... or you can tell the parents that there is a high likelyhood that the program is conning them out of their money.  Which approach is more sucessful depends on the parent.  In either case, it's going to take a lot of research in to both the origins of the organization, of the facility itself, of it's licensing, and of the backgrounds, qualifications and any criminal historyies of the staff and/or owners.  Basically you're going to have to "beat the program" in talking to the parents, which is difficult.  To that end, you need concrete evidence of what you say, since they're far more likely to believe the program (that being said it is possible and has been done many times).  Chances are the folks at ISACcorp have already done a lot of this research for you, so I suggest at this point, they would probably be your next step.  Don't hesitate, however, to ask for help round here if you get stuck.  You're always welcome on Fornits.

PS: do you mind if I split off this topic into two separate ones since we've kinda veered off the original?
Title: Re: An Apology to Survivors of Straight from a Former Exec Staff
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2009, 03:11:08 PM
Thank you so much for your imput. It has been greatly appreciated and a great help.
God Bless you
Title: Re: An Apology to Survivors of Straight from a Former Exec Staff
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2009, 03:16:49 PM
No I dont mind at all if you split them off. I have to leave for a while but i will check back.
Title: Re: An Apology to Survivors of Straight from a Former Exec Staff
Post by: psy on January 01, 2009, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: "lazyh"
Thank you so much for your imput. It has been greatly appreciated and a great help.
God Bless you
You're very welcome.

When you get back, you shouldn't have a problem finding the thread.  I'll call it ABM Ministries.
Title: Re: ABM Ministries
Post by: Oscar on January 01, 2009, 04:47:24 PM
We have them under investigation for being Mountain Park Academy working under a new name. Datasheet on the wiki (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=ABM_Ministries)

Mountain Park (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Mountain_Park_Academy) was closed down which requires a lot when we are talking about Missouri.

I believe that they are under some kind of supervision because they have removed the old student handbook which spoke of the use of corporal punishment (To be read here (http://http://web.archive.org/web/20070613201833/http://www.abmfamilyprep.com/parentsmanual.html)) and replaced it with new guidelines to the staff forbidding them to use corporal punishment.

The old parentmanual stated:
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Before enrolling a student, parents are expected to sign a statement indicating that they have read, understand and agree to have their child governed by all policies, rules and regulations of the academy and to have corporal discipline administered to their child in accordance to those rules.

Mountain Park was a bad place. A boy was killed there so the offenders could end up in prison instead for many years because they believed it was better. You can see his name on our death list (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Victims). His name was Will Futrelle.

She will most likely end up suffering from some kind of PTSD. You can read the "Mountain Park Magazine Article (http://http://www.isaccorp.org/archives.asp#mtpark)" - page 1 to 4 and understand how it is to reenter the world from an enclosed box as a program in reallity is.
Title: Re: ABM Ministries
Post by: Antigen on January 01, 2009, 05:10:53 PM
Hey, if I'm not mistaken, that's the very same organization and facility that Alexia Parks wrote about in American Gulag http://www.teenliberty.org/ (http://www.teenliberty.org/)

Alexia's story is the same as yours. Her niece was sent to a gulag school and her book tells the story of her struggle to get her out.
Title: Re: ABM Ministries
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2009, 08:47:46 PM
Thanks to everyone for your responses. As I posted earlier that I am not the parent so I have to build a case if you will to show the parents what could be happening to their daughter. I would take as much information from anyone that is willing to give it. Thanks so much again for the info and God bless you all.
P.S. I will keep printing items off to show them
Title: Re: ABM Ministries
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2009, 07:48:25 PM
My daughter went through ABM several years ago.  She was totally out of control when she was sent.  Yes, they have a very strict and structured environment.  She is now a hard working adult and was thankful for her experience at ABM.  Prior to sending her I did speak with several other sets of parents who have had children attend there.  Sorry, no regrets and I would highly recommend it to anyone.

Good luck.

Mabel
Title: Re: ABM Ministries
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2009, 10:26:46 AM
I don't know if anyone is still checking these posts. But, if you are, I am a former student of ABM Ministries. I was a student who worked my way up the "ladder" to become as close to a staff member as they would allow me to believe. I knew that was the only way to make it there and not go crazy... be the "good girl". There is too much to say about this place unless you really want to know. I have seen some things that would be considered abuse, no questions asked, and they got away with it everytime. Chaining children up to the word of God, claiming to be righteous holy-rollers, and yet they stink up the place with their hypocritical bullcrap. If you want to know more or if someone would work with me to get the word out, then maybe we could actually do something good and stop these boarding school horros from happening.
PARENTS: DO NOT BE AFRAID TO TRULY GET TO KNOW YOUR CHILDREN. Talk WITH them, not to them. LISTEN to them, don't always make them listen to you. UNDERSTAND them, because there is so much going on inside of them. LOVE them for who they are and BE WILLING to work through the hard times with them. That is your CHILD, your GIFT, a part of YOU
Title: Re: ABM Ministries
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2009, 10:40:49 AM
Also, some children are more susceptible to the "brainwashing". I hate to use that word, but if a program takes a person as they are and manipulates their thinlking so that it manipulates their personality, then that is brainwashing. It happened to me and 5 months later I woke up and realized it was the most difficult and confusing thing to readjust back to who I really was and am. You change, not because you want to , but because you have to. If you don't, then you're stuck there longer or they make you feel so guilty that you think bending to their will is the only way. The smart ones DO seem like they've gotten "better", and some of them have changed (some for good, others until they wake up), but it's the way that the change comes about, swallowed in illusion and lies, that makes the entire thing wrong. Faith has to be REAL, love has to be REAL, change has to be REAL and come from one's own self, one's own free will and not from the will of others. Others who are no better than you or I, yet they claim to hold the secrets to YOUR child's "better" life, they claim to have better abilities than the parents themselves. WE have the ability and knowledge inside of us. Don't let someone steal that from you or your child, because, if you're not careful, that beautiful knowledge and truth gets lost amongst the ignorance and lies.
There are better ways of helping your children.

Much love to all and if you need any advice please post back and we will get together and talk.
I know much about this place. The root of the program has good intentions, but somehow that gets blurred by all the hypocrisy and pressure to be angels on earth, when we are HUMAN.
Title: Re: ABM Ministries
Post by: Che Gookin on April 12, 2009, 02:22:14 PM
Fascinating posts and you aren't the only one who has worked their way up the program ladder to get as close to staff as you can. Our very own forum creator, Antigen, was a seventh stepper with Straight inc. She has some interesting comments about the experience if you are ever in the mood to listen to her off the way monologues.

Could you be arsed to give some specifics as to how exactly the kids are abused, beyond the mention of chaining kids up, and what is involved with the brainwashing?

Those specifics, although painful to recount, will go a long way in keeping potential customers away from ABM.
Title: Re: ABM Ministries
Post by: Oscar on August 03, 2010, 04:09:06 PM
We got a testimony from the talk page on the wiki (http://http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php?title=Talk:ABM_Ministries&rcid=3427):

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READ!!! DO NOT SEND YOUR CHILD THERE! I was there for 2 years due to problems with my mom that lived in fl, my dad lived in colombia (south america) at the time and they were both totally unaware of what went on. While your child is there they go through physical and verbal abuse, public humiliation, hard labor, and cruel punishments. On black chip (chips are their level system) I was deprived of food for three days, slept without a matress and blankets for an entire month in missouri winter, picked up horse poop with my hands (though they were kind enough to give me gloves I heard not many girls had my luck), I wasnt allowed to sit down, speak, or look up. Everything goes on in complete silence, and all the time you are forced to look at the ground or its 50 push ups if Mrs.Carmen is in a good mood, if she's not it can be running outside until she feels like it, or no food and no matress. I left more than a year ago, and when I walk down the street I STILL LOOK TO THE GROUND!For me it wasnt that bad, I pretended to be what they wanted me to be and most of the time it worked, i even got the honor of being Mrs.Carmen's personal slave! but it all depended on Mrs. Carmen's mood. If your child is there GET HIM OR HER OUT! YOU ARE THE PARENT AND WHATEVER IS WRONG YOU BOTH CAN FIX IT THE WAY IS MEANT TO BE! Dont leave your child in someone else's hands, especially with people who you dont know! Dont believe what the staff tells you! They will always exagerate or eve make up things so you will believe your child needs to stay longer. They monitor calls and letters, anything they dont like they throw away and they hang up the phone if you start crying or tell them about the punishments. I can go on and on about the cruel things that go on there, I've seen a 13 year old boy in a girls dressed obligated to do PE with the girls, humilliated in front of everybody for crying, I've also seen Larry throw a girl to the floor off a top bunk, she said she wanted to die, and he answered "let me help you" and started choking her!!! my e-mail is <removed due to spam> please contact me if you have any questions, please think about your child and remember that no matter what the problem is abm is not the answer, I still have issues because of my experience there and my mom and I dont speak to each other, and because of my stay there I also lost my bond with my sister and even though we talk its like if we were strangers. I graduated there, I dont even know how because I was taken out of school most of the time to work in the kitchen, but it's all because I worked for it, it didn't have anything to do with their help.
Title: Re: ABM Ministries
Post by: iamme on January 08, 2011, 07:05:55 PM
I also worked up the ladder from student to staff.  the same staff member that sexually abused an underage girl also made me go outside and watch as he threw a student into the snow and held his foot on his head to keep it there.   VERY abusive, the owners wife is very angry and sometimes keeps students from eating and trets them like crap (i know from experience).  i spent 4 years of my life there and hateds all of them.
Title: Re: ABM Ministries
Post by: iamme on January 08, 2011, 07:07:10 PM
i worked from being a student to staff, but hated it every single day.   the same staff member that sexually abused an underage girl also made me go outside and watch as he threw a student into the snow and held his foot on his head to keep it there.   VERY abusive, the owners wife is very angry and sometimes keeps students from eating and trets them like crap (i know from experience).  i spent 4 years of my life there and hateds all of them.
Title: Re: ABM Ministries
Post by: seamus on January 09, 2011, 01:37:16 AM
Psy, you are SO well spoken, that Im amazed :notworthy:
Title: Escape from ABM Ministries
Post by: Oscar on February 14, 2014, 02:42:51 AM
Quote from: Wayne County Journal Banner
Boarding School Runaway Found, Was Missing Eight Hours (http://www.waynecojournalbanner.com/news/article_a51638ba-94c3-11e3-b8d3-0017a43b2370.html)

Student From Christian Boarding School Now in Children’s Hospital Recovering From Third-Degree Frostbite

A 16-year-old boy is recovering from third-degree frostbite in St. Louis Children’s Hospital after train workers found him in the cold last week near Mill Spring.

According to the Wayne County Sheriff’s Department, the boy ran away Tuesday evening, Feb. 4, from Lighthouse Christian Academy, a Christian boarding home run by ABM Ministries, that is located in the Black River Retreat area south of Piedmont. He left the home around 6:30 p.m. and was found by train workers passing through the area at 2 a.m. the next day.

The boy walked eight or nine miles from the home and was found four miles south of the Mill Spring-Leeper communities, according to authorities. Over 20 people, including a dog team, participated in the search.

The newspaper received a telephone call Friday from the boy’s mother, Patsy Boozer of San Antonio, Texas. She said that her son, Jeremy, is expected to make a full recovery and will not lose any toes or his feet. Doctors have told the family that the recovery will be slow.

“Jeremy, a resident of San Antonio, Texas, and full time student at Lighthouse Christian Academy (a.k.a. ABM Ministries) was exposed to the harsh elements of Missouri weather for over seven hours without proper clothing and barefoot before he was miraculously rescued by the crew of Union Pacific Railroad,” said his mother. “Jeremy told me at the hospital that it was so dark and freezing cold that he kept running into things, even barbwire, and his feet were getting cut up from the frozen ground and rocks. He said he was in so much pain and close to unconsciousness right before he was rescued that he knew he was going to freeze to death in the next hour or so if a train didn’t come that he could get to stop and help him. He was yelling for help with no response and just started praying for God to send a train that would stop and save him.”

“Almost seconds later, he heard the train and was able to flag it down by waving his jacket while standing close to the side of the tracks,” Boozer continued.  “The crew was able to stop the train, render aide, and call for emergency support. Jeremy was like a block of ice from his hips down and was life-flighted to Children’s Hospital in St. Louis where he is undergoing treatment for severe frostbite to both feet.”

Boozer said her son escaped from the school through a window in the student classroom. He was wearing nightclothes, flip flops, and a fleece jacket.

School director Larry Musgrave and another staff member had searched the woods and surrounding areas before calling authorities or the teen’s parents, according to Boozer.

“Jeremy’s family would like to thank the train staff, Sheriff Finch, and all that were involved in saving Jeremy’s life,” said Boozer. “David from the train crew called the hospital to check on him and to offer support.”

Lighthouse Christian Academy has been in Wayne County for several years; prior to opening in Wayne County, the school was located in Tennessee. The school first rented facilities that formerly housed Mountain Park Christian Academy in Patterson. Then property was purchased south of Piedmont and the school was moved to its current location. Larry Musgrave is the president and director of the school. The minimum stay for students is 180 days, and the monthly tuition is $1,500 plus a one-time enrollment fee of $1,500.

According to the school’s website, ABM Ministries/Lighthouse Christian Academy is a private Christian boarding school for boys ages 10-18. The school is tucked away on 250 acres with rolling hills, a spring-fed pond, and fenced pasture with horses.

“Nestled between two ridges, our newly renovated 25,000-square-feet main campus is designed to meet the needs of our students and families,” reads the website. “With open enrollment, we school year round with an average of 40 students. Student/teacher ratio is 12 to one. Our new custom-designed classroom with individual offices and curriculum is set up to allow each student to achieve excellence.

Over 80 percent of the students are on honor rolls.  All students are involved in a variety of activities including: independent living, work projects, animal care, sports, strategy games, and (our favorite) swimming and boating. We offer assistance in restoring harmony within your home, regardless of whether or not you enroll your son at ABM.”

Boozer said that her family found the school on the Internet. They were looking for a facility to help their child.

“Parents seek out a school because their teen is struggling,” she said. “I know in our case we had exhausted our abilities in a home environment to protect him and needed help from a caring, 24/7 support team (that we pay a signification cost for) to keep him SAFE and still provide education, sport/exercise programs (all the things this school advertises) to get him past the pressures causing his behavior so that, together, parents/school could help him get to a more mature state so he can return home to a family and friends that love him.”
Boozer claims that her son did not get the caring and protective services the school advertises. She maintains that her son was abused.

She told the newspaper that her son said the physical and mental abuse was unbearable and that he felt running away was his only alternative. Boozer said school officials read all letters to and from students. Students are allowed one 10-minute phone call every two weeks and it is monitored. Because of this, Boozer said her son was unable to tell his family about the conditions.

“He reported his allegations to hospital personnel and has given a full report to Missouri Department of Social Services, Children’s Division,” Boozer said.

According to the school’s website, all employees of the school are required to sign an employee code of conduct. The code of conduct includes 23 items. Among those are that no child will be abused and staff must use positive techniques for guidance.

“Not recognizing that Lighthouse Christian Academy was ABM Ministries when I was looking into the school is a mistake I have to live with,” said Boozer.  “When I Googled ‘ABM Ministries abuse’ last night from my son’s hospital bedside and saw post after post from past students that matched his accounts, I was horrified.”

Though Boozer found horror stories posted by former students on forums on the Internet, people can also find posts by former students and parents praising the school.

The newspaper contacted ABM Lighthouse Christian Academy for comment and was told that only Musgrave could speak to the newspaper. He was not at the school Monday due to an illness in his family.