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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: The truth teller on December 01, 2001, 02:27:10 PM

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Post by: The truth teller on December 01, 2001, 02:27:10 PM: Whine whine whine
God I just found out about this website about a week ago and since then I've just listened to people whine about how hard done by they are and how these AARC ruined their lives And you know what its too bad If you feel that way, but I know for myself and many other people who went through aarc, it has made a real difference in our lives. And you claim that that AARC just brain washes people but you know what if I was brainwahsed I'm grateful that I was because I lead a happy and serene filled life and I know I would have any of that in my life if it weren't for aarc. If you guys are so happy then why have all I've heard form you is that your still torchered by night mares of what these "mind rape mills" have done to you. I know I sleep sound at night. Just a thought
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Post by: 2dogs2 on December 01, 2001, 04:18:05 PM: Must be different
I keep hearing about how aarc wasn't so bad , or that it was different. That has led me to believe that it must have been different , because you don't find anyone else defending the other places at all. I know for certain that I would be dead or jailed if I wasn't in Straight when I was. I graduated with honors , Yet I would never defend them. For years after , I would have been better off dead, and everyone else around me then would have had it better if I were dead. Working that @#%$ out of my head took everything I had and left me exhausted. I wish I would have ended up in any other place than Straight even your aarc. But you all ought to know that people who are saying all this @#%$ about "mind rape mills" have a valid reason to do so. Although I think it would better serve thier purpose to stick to what they know personally instead of blanketing everyone elses experience with thier own. Read some stuff on Straight before you start calling folks whiners. .......Dogs
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Post by: kaydeejaded on December 01, 2001, 05:16:40 PM: Must Be Different
You are right. There really must have been a difference. Straight was insane and there really is no way to defend it. It also was so traumatic that all these years later I am still burning with rage at the @#%$ that happened to me and all the other people there. I really know nothing about AARC but I want to know... were your mouths covered by your peers?? did they deny you the right to use the bathroom?? did they keep you pinned down on the floor for hours and hours without the ability to get up and get a drink of water or move around? There were kids who slashed their wrists in group and staff that dealt with it by standing them up and screaming at them about how weak they are,or bringing them to the "infirmary" for a bomb squad. I am not grateful I hate them 11yrs later and I really hate them with vengeance.
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Post by: Kathy on December 01, 2001, 07:01:58 PM: Re: Whine whine whine
I don't know if it is that much different. We assume there must be some similarities since, Newton ran Straight, then opened up KInds inc... and Newton trained your director. How could it really be all that different. All the Straight programs have a definate "Newtonian element" to them.

Give us some specific examples of how AARC is different. And tell me where to find the research that proves the efficacy of AARC.

thank you,

Kathy
Kathy
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Post by: the on December 01, 2001, 09:39:24 PM: Explaining a little more about the difference
SO, Ive gotten a few responses back and I'm glad. ANd you know what I'm sorry for calling you guys whiners, I've heard how horrible Straight and Kids and the Seed were but I don't sit here pretending to know all about it, because honestly I don't know, ANd I guess that is what frustrates me so much, I just feel like everybody who had some tramatic experiences in these other treatment centers are bashing AARC and I don't feel it is right. to answer some of your questions No our peers didn't cover our mouths, no we were not denied the right to go to the bathroom when we needed to, no we were not pinned down for hours without the ability to get up and get a drink or move, and I can tell you that if someone was slashing their wrists in AARC that person would not be screamed at for hours and be told their weak, that person would get help, because obviously it takes alot of pain to slach your wrists. I really belive in AARC and I wouldn't defend something that I knew didn't work. Like I said I don't have nightmares, I don't have built up rage inside of me towards aarc. I live a very happy and serenity filled life. And I thank god for aarc helping me get to this point.
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Post by: Cheeky54 on December 01, 2001, 10:52:23 PM: Differences
I don't think anyone here ever said that AARC was like KIDS/Staight in everyway. Let me speak only for myself. No I did not get restrained, I was not denied food or the ability to go to the bathroom. The ability to go to the bathroom alone... well that is another story. I slashed and I know and remember exactly what happened to me afterwards and during that is seared into my mind and no one can ever tell me it did'nt happen or try to down play it.

We can talk all we want about how certain things at AARC were different from KIDS. Hell lets stop comparing it to KIDS etc. all together. It doesn't make it any better. I have said before and I will say again the specific things that harmed me(at least some of them anyway):

-the slashing and how it was handled obviously

-being confronted in rap about being a prostitute (then once I was on staff being told by one of the ones confronting me that they knew I wasn't they were just doing it to F^ck with my head

-having to have someone in the bathroom with my and there when I take a shower

-Sexual confessions (talking in detail myself in front of others, and hearing others share) Beastiality, insest, rape etc. only to name a few)

-The constant negativity, breaking me down, to build me back up the way certain people think "productive members of society" should be

-Being told that "being Gay is a disease like alcoholism, they're sick"

Etc. Etc. I know that the things that went on there scarred me, and maybe why there are so many people defending the centre is because it's no one has talked about the wrong things before, and I believe if you are still involved with AARC it still has you in its grasp. Of course you think it saved your life, it is your life.
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Post by: Antigen on December 02, 2001, 12:02:22 AM: No one defends Straight? Loretta defending her cult (click the link and then click on the link to 28 DAZE to view the video) We met some SAFE defenders in Bethesda who were just as sincere as you seem to be.

Letters to The Trebach Institute Scroll down a little, the 3rd or 4th letter and the next one are very interesting.

Straight Incorporated Alumni Former 7th step officer and staff (I do believe), Don Smith started this group to counter claims made by us druggielosers over on Straight, Inc Survivors. He set out to round up Program supporters, but couldn't find any. Don's a good guy. He's taken the time to think about things and has at least conceded that the Program was probably a bad experience for some of us. I still get attacked pretty hostilly by some folks for being very anti-program. (if you want to read but don't want the mail, get a yahoo login if you haven't got one, join the group but opt for no mail. You'll be able to read the archive on the web, but won't have 100 msgs a day landing in your mailbox)

Most damning of all, I think, from: President Bush to Nominate Sembler to be the Ambassador of the United States to Italy "In 1976 Sembler founded STAIGHT, an adolescent drug rehabilitation program which has graduated over 12,000young adults nationwide." The sanctimonious son of a bitch is STILL bragging about his crimes, like the cat who swollowed the cannary.

Same with every faction of the TOUGHLOVE hate group. They all have their devoute followers who would lay down their lives to protect their cult. Cults are like that.
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Anonymity Anonymous
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Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 10:13:50 AM: No Different
Shitty, some of you are getting brain washed!!!!

"truth teller" didn't just find this board he's been posting here all along. All of you need to remember that there are only two people "defending" AARC. They are staff, and one is the owner/"clinical director" of the program. They are here to "defend" because if they don't they will loose their income.

AARC had to change some things in order to get off the ground, and though I don't believe that Vause liked it, it turned out to be great for AARC. Fattening instead of starving kids looks great. Giving them the necessary amount of sleep that Social Services had them abide by turned out for the better, and not restraining kids as often for as long was better for their reputation too. But They do restrain, so don't let them try to say it doesn't happen, it happens fairly regularily. They restrain for anyone who's out of line, like tries to walk out of group (or anywhere they aren't supposed to be) or whenever anyone tries to "run" even if they legally were allowed to do so.

"In a way AARC perfected the Kids Centers of America. The restrictions layed upon them by the government allowed them to pretty up the program. It gave them time to throw heart wrenching homecomings, and fancy graduation ceremonies."

Anonymous source, but a suiting quote.

For those who went through other Straight based programs, you need to think about which was the most damaging, being restrained or having "blast raps" all of the time. I personally could have died due to not being allowed medical attention. I think that's a pretty serious threat against a kid.

Another great example of people defending Cults is the movie Not MY Kid about parents taking their child through Kids Centers of America. Has anyone here seen that?
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Post by: Antigen on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM: Re: No Different
Yeah, what ever happened to the first and most important rule. In Bethesda, I stood face to face with Brian Seeber, SAFE's lawyer and devoted parent groupie. He lied right to my face saying they don't use any violence or restraint. So I asked him if he were there the night Leah Marchisalt was tackled up against the wall by group when she tried to break for the door during open meeting. He didn't deny it.

Another interesting detail that our split personality poster gave away. I asked him (them?) if they sent copies of that flyer to Calvina. I got no answer, not even "Who the hell's Calvina?" Group members probably don't know who she is. But Miller Light there certainly does. She's the executive director of the corporation formerly known as Straight, Incorporated.

I'll tell you another thing. I feel badly for those people who were deprived of adequate food and left always hungry. I've never experienced that, and I'm sure it's horrible. But we were never starved in Straight, Sarasota, `80 - `82. We were forced or coerced to eat too much of a high fat, high starch, low protien diet. Almost all of the girls gained 20 or 30 lbs. I went in a healthy 115 @ 5'2" and came out the other end weighing 140 with pasty white, acne covered skin and green hair from the flourescent lighting and never seeing the light of day. Then, to add insult to injury, we once had a rap about how the girls' side needed to respect ourselves by staying in shape and losing weight; asif we had a choice about what we did or how much we ate! They even had some of the guys point out which girls grosed them out the most. How therapeutic, huh?

For some reason, though, most of the guys' side didn't gain a lot of weight. They were just as pasty and acne covered as we were, but most of them weren't fat.
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Anonymity Anonymous
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Post by: gr8ful2aarc on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM: Thank you 2 Dogs 2, Kathy etc.
Thank you for hearing that AARC is not like SEED, KIDS etc.Like I have said before AARC was going to be KIDS of the Canadian West.Dr.Vause, the parents from KIDS and some others decided not to go that route.The early days of AARC weren't the easiest because all the peers went through KIDS and really struggled with their own demons.By the time I had got there most the staff had left for various reasons and there was only 3 or 4 staff from kids left.As time went on and they went through lots of growing pains and made a lot of changes.They strayed away from a lot of the KIDS ways of doing things.AARC has found its own methods of helping the teens in a very positive loving way.I remember how hard it was back then and I am so grateful to how far AARC has grown and changed.I believe in AARC 100% and I will admit somethings in the old days weren't right but AARC has grown and changed a lot and they keep getting better as they go along. I have been clean,sober and living an absolutely wonderful since I went through AARC and many years since.Thanks for keeping an open mind!
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Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 09:55:42 PM: Dead crazy people
I guess that in the same way they see dead crazy people all over the place, they unsee anything they don't want to.

Oh!, here's atheory worth considering. Maybe the Program devout are the dead crazy people. They only see what they want to.

Of course the programs aren't absolutely identical. Art Barker was a washed up Vaudivillian comic and that was reflected in the Cult-ure of the place. They sang sogs like "It Ain't Neccissarily So" and "The old Soft Shoe" and there was a distinct anti-religious theme running through the whole thing. Straight was a little different. The language changed. Chicks and guys became girls and guys, split was replaced by departed and then by simply left. Cop-out had a different meaning than before at Synanon and after in all of the programs. It meant mental avoidance, not physically leaving.

Come to think of it, that's about as apt a term as I can think of for your assertion that AARC is nothing like the other branches. I would direct readers once again to Cheeky's post, subject header "Sleepless in Canada". There are plenty of other similarities. But if that bit about 'treating' a sicide attempt with shame and hostile confrontation were all of it, that would be enough.

Oh, and just because I was raise to share and not be selfish, here's a little bit of info that I hopw will bring you dreams as interesting as some that the Program still gives me sometimes. There's a man sitting in the Florida prison system right now for shooting his ex wife in the head over their daughter's grave. She was sentenced to a life term for driving her young daughter to suicide. But the courts allowed her tp visit the gravesite before shipping her out of the area. The method by which she commited this crime was sexual shame. She forced her 13 or 15 year old daughter (can't remember the age off-hand) to work in a local strip club.

Do you have any idea how powerful sexual shame is to a young person? I mean aside from the ways that you view as expedient to your twisted ends.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, Vause. And I believe you are acting on the best of intentions. I hope you reach your destination. Happy dreams.
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Post by: Kathy on December 01, 2001, 10:56:29 PM: Re: Thank you for what?
OK, I will take an "open mind" as they say in 'the Program' , however, you have given me no reason to believe that the program is any different. I'll take an 'open mind', but I'm not stupid. Show me the studies that show the efficacy of your program, show me the facts, then maybe you'll be able to persuade someone on this board to believe you. So far, I've only heard your opinion, but I;ve heard no facts.

Just the facts please ma'am or sir.
Kathy
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Post by: 2dogs2 on December 01, 2001, 05:05:07 PM: Can't let it go?
If these places all changed and started doing things the "right" way (although I don't know what that would be) All the folks who are still dragging themselves through the "victim" excuse for not living up to their potential , would lose their "right" to fight. And for those who have made it their lives mission to stop what happened to them, would be lost. So I say, let em' rant , it gives them something to do.

And before y'all start "motivating" at me you should know that I believe that your pain is valid , But I also know that it is possible to overcome if you really want it bad enough....Dogs
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Post by: 2dogs2 on December 01, 2001, 05:22:57 PM: Whlie I'm at it.
Question: Do you think that it is possible that an ex-staff member from a "Straight-like" program could go somewhere else with the intention of taking the good stuff he learned(however small the amount) , and starting a new program with none of the abuse's that he/she themself knows don't really work? I know I could. With all the pissing and moaning about how it has all got to stop(myself included) We seem to forget that there are millions of parents out there who have no idea what-so-ever to do with their ,out of control kids. Maybe if there was a place that was worthy of supporting , we could all get behind them and overshadow the "the mind rape mills". Maybe kill two birds. Makes more sense to me than just spinning my wheels. Then again I'm not the kind of person who "likes" being angry". Once I was , and I know how confortably familiar anger can be but I've found that I don't have to be pissed-off to have conviction....DOGS
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Post by: kaydeejaded on December 01, 2001, 05:46:00 PM: Where are you at?
Dear Dog, I really am not feelin where you are coming from. Forget about the parents now we are the parents and this situation still remains. I have no problem with anger personally and I am comfortable expressing it. What I am not comfortable with is your idea that we should get over it. If we just get over it then it is forgotten and done with nothing and no one to stop it from happening again. I have conviction in anything I believe in but tend to get angry when it is a cause almost unsurmountable. The people who run/own and operate these Straight type TC communities are the government. Fighting the government is not the most effortless thing to do bro. You get behind Bush and implement your new wave of treatment centers better yet why don't we lock the parents up and teach them how to control their "out of control kids" that may work. If you loved you campy rehab experience then go head but not me and I will not forget it. Peace out Dog
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Post by: Elle on December 01, 2001, 11:28:33 PM: Dogs
It's deffinately possible for ex straight/straight based program staff to go out and form good programs. It's happened. But try to keep in mind the posting about AARC started from people in AARC like myself, and isn't only ex straight members who haven't been there.

Elle.
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Post by: 2dogs2 on December 01, 2001, 04:28:46 PM: K D
Hey jaded, Please read what I wrote again. maybe a few times. I think you misunderstood me. Actually you confirmed one point.

I wasted so much of my life already. I'm not going to do anything that is like bumping my head against a wall. All I'm saying is that we both know that none of you will ever be heard in a legitimate way. There's already been too much one-sided slamming. It has taken the seriousness out of what is going on. Why not do something actively possitive like talking to parents. Hell why not make a flyer that says: Is your kid out of control? on drugs? call me . I might be able to help. I've gone to the school in my town and talked to the counselors about being there if they needed any insight or if the parents needed someone to talk to.

You need not "get over" anything if you don't want to. I talk about how bad it was all the time , but I reserve my rants for those who really understand , those who were there. Parents that are scared are looking for answer not more questions. I don't pretend to know the answers. I know Straight or anything like it is WRONG WRONG WRONG but spend all your time spouting this and see how much it helps anything. All of you are so full of energy to do something. Well do something that actually has results.

Please do assume that I would ever get behind Bush. With my first amendment in mind of course: I wish someone would throw that A.S.S.H.O.L.E. out of my country! .....DOGS
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Post by: kaydeejaded on December 01, 2001, 05:38:24 PM: Dogs
Ok I read it again. We are fighting a loosing battle but don't we have to say and do something anyway. I never even knew anyone was doing anything to stop these programs. When I was in Straight I was 15 after that I never even knew it closed. My Straight was in Mass. and I live in NY Until this November I never was aware of these websites or anything. So my point is really this is still so unbelievable that people are out there that even realize the way it was in there do you get me??? This is still unreal. I need to complain no one here (NY) can even believe that places like these exsist. I wish we could stop treatment programs all together, I personally think it is treating the symptom of the problem not the actually problem. I think parents need to be treated and not in that BS group setting so they can go home to their nice houses and T.V. type way.
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Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 09:14:06 PM: Re: Dogs
Forgive me if I'm a little cynical about a kinder, gentler Program. Straight started out with the idea of replacing The Seed, St. Pete with a new program incorporating all of the good and none of the bad of The Seed. The result left much to be desired.

Any program that didn't incorporate the bad stuff wouldn't resemble the Program we know at all. Take away the coercion, the shaming, the indignity and what have you got? A voluntary AA meeting? Aren't there enough of those?

Once a kid decides they're all grown up and not going to heel to when their parents give direction, there's nothing you can do to control them. That's part of growing up; you take control of your own life and make your own decisions. Some kids take off too early for their own good or in an entirely bad direction and make a lot of needless mistakes. It's a heartbreak; trust me on this one, I know from firsthand experience. I'd be lying if I said I'm never tempted to somehow take over my daughter's autonomy and just force her to do something different. But I know from firsthand experience how devistating that can be and how futile.

And this is nothing new. For all of recorded history, there have been prodigal sons and daughters. The idea that we're facing some kind of new threat with 'kids taday' is nothing but fear mongering. If you want to help parents who's kids are going through a difficult transition to adulthood, just remind them that this too will pass. It may be tempting to "do something" because they're scared. But there is nothing you can do beyond offering unconditional love and faith without introducing a whole new set of risks, very likely worse than what they're exposing themselves to on their own.
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Anonymity Anonymous
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Post by: 2dogs2 on December 02, 2001, 01:53:15 AM: Fair enough
I still think I have a pretty good point or two , but fair enough my friends.

While we are on the subject , what do you say to parents who's kids are doing things that could put the parents in jail or have dealers kicking in thier doors? The S.H.I.T. we went through was wrong without a doubt , but what do you do? I mean if you are a screwed-up parent who doesn't understand what unconditional love is (like Pablo)? I hate that my parents couldn't help me even more than what happened to me in straight.

P.S. thanks for keeping it civil G. & others.....Dogs
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Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 03:23:30 PM: Re: Fair enough
I think you have a pretty good point or two too. There are better ways to do things, and I'm especially interested in them these days. I didn't have great role models and I'm sure I've made some of the same mistakes along with new and interesting ones. Hindsight being what it is, one thing I would recomend to someone who's at odds with their kids is to avoid brinksmanship. I have been threatened with jail and violence by my daughter's psycho boyfriend. Believe me, I feel betrayed by the fact that she's helping him do it to us. We're not the only ones, either. She has no contact with anyone she had been friends with before she started going out with him.

The guy's basically just like her father, who I left before she was a year old. It took me awhile to finally get wise to what was going on there, but eventually I did. That kid is at least as smart as I am and about twice as canny. If there's anything I regret, it has been giving her a lot of unsolicited advice for some years after she quit wanting it. It'll be a long time now before she asks for any... probably a long while after she's done trying to prove me wrong about psycho boy. I sure wish I'd have kept my mouth shut more when I was angry. I might have had a chance to say something when I'd had time to think.
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Anonymity Anonymous
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Post by: Antigen on December 24, 2001, 09:08:00 PM: Here's a reasonable faccimilie of the infamous flyer. Note the total absence of any information that might identify which abusive addiction treatment center to which it might be refering? If AARC doesn't fit the hand-bill, what the hell are you people whining about?

MIND CONTROL

Do you know of an ABUSIVE ADDICTION TREATMENT centre?
Has someone been ?PROGRAMMED??
Do you know of civil rights violations, such as UNLAWFUL RESTRAINTS or other abuse?
Is there ?BRAINWASHING? going on?
Do you know of someone who has been FALSELY LABELLED
as ?drug addicted? or something else?

1-866-34-ABUSE

REPORT
ABUSE

1-866-34-ABUSE

REPORT
ABUSE

1-866-34-ABUSE

REPORT
ABUSE

1-866-34-ABUSE

[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2001-12-24 18:17 ]
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Post by: ladyjerrico on March 13, 2002, 08:59:00 AM: Strange how they don't have a website to go to, most everyone now with some creditablity has a website
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Post by: jrstraight on March 13, 2002, 01:09:00 PM: I am looking for positive experiences from rehab facilities as well as negative ones. Here is my form letter:

Dear Friends and neighbors,
   Let me begin by saying that I am a filmmaker living in Chicago. I have worked in many capacities on small films, large films and TV shows. That being said, let me backtrack.
   My girlfriend and myself both have sisters who are veterans of such ?programs?. My sister was in Kids Helping Kids in Northern Kentucky. My Girlfriend?s sister was in ?Straight? in Washington DC (or Virginia).
   I feel I don?t have to go into all of the ramifications the experience has had on our families. Suffice it to say that while I have been reading the posts on this website (http://fornits.com/anonanon/sidetalk/ (http://fornits.com/anonanon/sidetalk/))
I have come across things that shocked me and things that also sounded very familiar. I can say that panic attacks, mistrust and paranoia are things that our sisters deal with on a daily basis. I feel like I lost the person who was my sister a long time ago.
   Recently, a lot of the problems facing my sister have come to a head. Things are getting pretty bad. That is what led me to the website. So I?m sitting there, late at night, wading through endless posts - unable to stop reading. That was the genesis of this open letter.
   I feel like humans are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. The only thing we can do is try to look at things that happened in the past - things done in certain political climates - things done in the heat of passion - and try to learn from them. We must always try to get at the truth, however elusive it might be.
   I have decided to send this letter to many of you whom I encountered on the website. I?ve decided that I might put together another forum: a long form documentary film about these issues. I realize that there are so many of you who would rather retain your anonymity. For this I cannot blame you one bit. I will say, however, if not you, who? If not now, when? This is your chance to let your voice be heard over the most powerful medium in the world: moving pictures with sound. I will not be seeking corporate sponsors for this project, nor will I be seeking network affiliation. This will be a true labor of love, funded out of my own pocket - a tithe, if you will, to humanity.

   If you are a ?graduate? of the program or a family member of anyone involved I would be very interested in working with you on this project. I am looking for experiences both positive and negative. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
JR
jrstraight@ameritech.net
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Post by: ladyjerrico on May 01, 2002, 08:15:00 AM: That program isn't fit for man or beast.. I am still sensitive to the sun to this day and I don't like going outside!
I used to love the sun and would spend a lot of time outdoors until Straight.

Your right on most people only drinking on occassion or smoking pot a few times.. myself I did cocaine once and it was put into a joint.. but it really f*cked me up so badly that I thought I was going to die!

I was in Plymouth MI for 7 months.. but anytime spent at Straight can really screw someone up for life with the memories and thoughts of what went on.

There were at least 5 people I knew in Straight that never touched anything, and soon after they were put in their parents came and got them.. heck, one of the kids that got pulled out thought it was a recovery for people with divorced parents! They never knew it was a messed up drug rehab.

The only good thing I can say are 2 things.. I am now off of drugs (for 12 years running) and also my parifial vision is excellent for driving because of watching newcomers part of my program.. lol.. other than that.. I find nothing good that this place has offered me
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Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2003, 09:12:00 PM: I just came back four days ago. I was a trainee at one time. 1985 St. Petersberg.

I don't know about the aarc. And you sure as hell don't know about STRAIGHT. i REMEMBER YOUR ASS IN GROUP, KISS ALL THAT ASS BOY. Smiling like a happy faggot ready to destroy. Pick me, Pick me.
I love to destroy. Tell all or pay with your soul.
Be like me. BLIND, WEAK , COLD , DESTROYER , CONTROLER , "DEDCEIVED".

YOU ARE THE SEED. DON'T YOU SEE truth teller.
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Post by: ehm on March 13, 2003, 10:56:00 PM: On 0000-00-00 00:00:00, gr8ful2aarc wrote:
"I remember how hard it was back then and I am so grateful to how far AARC has grown and changed.
I believe in AARC 100% and I will admit somethings in the old days weren't right but AARC has grown and changed a lot and they keep getting better as they go along.I have been clean,sober and living an absolutely wonderful since I went through AARC and many years since.Thanks for keeping an open mind!

Listen to you, trying to convince yourself! You sound like you're reading from a cue-card.

Who has their degree, in child psychology, ready to scan and post via e-mail? Psychiatry degrees anyone? Did any of you get dergees before jumping on the band wagon? Or were you just, in one way or another, sold on the delusion of a miracle, you want to believe in so patheticlly yourselves?

Where are your credentials all of you AARC defenders? You have none. From the top all the way down. None. Serenity my ass. You are frauds. Congratulations on being so brainwashed that you have yourselves brainwashed too!
It's like a religion with mad cow desease, AKA cultism.
Bovine frauds. Preaching like saviours, in the name of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Pathetic, sad excuses for human beings.
Don't you people have minds of your own? Only guilt, fear or greed keeps people lying like this.
How about some credibility?

[ This Message was edited by: Morli on 2003-03-13 20:02 ]
Title: Re: Whine whine whine
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2009, 01:40:49 PM: Quote
They strayed away from a lot of the KIDS ways of doing things.AARC has found its own methods of helping the teens in a very positive loving way.

Positive?
Loving?

Spitting in their face
Pushing them off a chair
Throwing chairs/other things at them
Screaming in their face
Denying them medical, dental and proper mental health care
Working them to exhaustion and/or 2 hours sleep a night
Sleeping in other client's used bedding
Keeping them out of school while collecting funds from the School Board for their education
Wearing filthy clothing
Tackling them if they try to leave
Tricking them/Ambushing them into treatment in the first place
Public displays of humiliation

And my personal favorite, leaving new clients in the direct care of other clients who are capable of this:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... woman.html (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/08/30/bc-woman.html)

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/200 ... 12395.html (http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/2007/09/20/4512395.html)

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/archive/in ... 11557.html (http://forum.calgarypuck.com/archive/index.php/t-11557.html)
Title: Re: Whine whine whine
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2009, 03:53:13 AM: Come on everybody being brainwashed is fun and great cause AARC says so! Just cause AARC is not perfect in forcing non-addicts to stay in addictions program does not mean anything is wrong.... I mean AARC does a great job of addressing any criticism but calling everybody who questions them liars or individuals easily fooled by addicts.
Title: Re: Whine whine whine
Post by: psy on February 16, 2009, 07:30:38 AM: sorry for the italics and disabled buttons, guys. i'm not sure what is going on here. Gonna try to fix.

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