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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: nite owl on May 17, 2005, 11:41:00 PM
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There was a riot at Ivy Ridge - here's the newsclip:
Police called to Ivy Ridge to quell 'riot'
by David C. Shampine, Times Staff Writer
First published: Tuesday, May 17, 2005
OGDENSBURG - As many as 30 youths were reported Monday night to have escaped from Ivy Ridge Academy, the Route 37 facility which has been mired in recent months under allegations of abuse of its wards.
A source described the situation later in the night as a "riot," with an "uprising" occurring on the grounds and at least "30 kids off in the woods."
Some minor injuries, possibly from the use of fire extinguishers, were reported.
State troopers and St. Lawrence County sheriff's deputies responded to the site of former Mater Dei College after the escape was reported at 10:24 p.m., according to a police source. Ogdensburg police and the U.S. Border Patrol were also called to assist, and the Ogdensburg and Morristown rescue squads were placed on standby.
Approximately 110 residents of the facility were gathered in the gymnasium while officials were dealing with the escape, and a call went out to install extra lighting, the source said.
Ivy Ridge is a behavior modification center for troubled teens, with a staff of about 150 attending to nearly 500 residents. It recently came under a second round of investigations into allegations of physical abuse against residents. State police have been reported to have two investigations in progress.
A public relations person for Ivy Ridge said early last week that troopers report receiving about 40 calls a day from parents regarding various issues at the facility. None are of a serious nature, he said.
The state attorney general's office has investigated the facility, and in February, Children and Family Services conducted an unannounced visit there in response to physical abuse allegations
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6:30 AM News Update - Students Stage Escape From Ivy Ridge Academy
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STUDENTS STAGE ESCAPE FROM IVY RIDGE ACADEMY
A handful of troubled teens broke out of the Ivy Ridge Academy in Ogdensburg last night.
According to reports, the problems began last night around 10:30 PM. A fire alarm was pulled by a group of students who planned to stage a ?riot? in order to escape from the facility. In the process windows were smashed and fire extinguishers were set off.
15-teenagers were missing for a short amount of time. Fights broke out between the students attempting to escape and students who attempted to restrain them. The melee involved 30 students, 8 were taken to the hospital with minor injuries. The students involved face expulsion from the academy.
New York State police arrested 10 students and one staff member.
Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist
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Here's an update: (I think this covers just about everything that's out there so far)
This is the newest article with their "mugshots." Some will see delinquents when they look at their faces and will say good, they deserve it and it's good there are places like Ivy Ridge.
Then there are the people who understand and know. Know what pain and suffering these children go through in these places. They were most likely running for a very good reason. But now they have records and who knows where they'll go.
Don't doubt for one second that WWASP is going to let them go that easily, contract or not. I would bet just about anything that those kids will find their way (a) back at Ivy Ridge, or (b) in Tranquility Bay, on their faces for months to come. That's my best guess, given their track record. They traffic kids, constantly, from one place to the other.
And in TB, well, they won't have to worry about them revolting when they're locked up in some little room, faces to the ground, restrained until they scream in pain and agony each time they move, why wouldn't they keep the money flowing in for those kids?
I wonder where those boys are tonight. Those of you who pray, I'd say a prayer for them. And for the others left behind, and all kids in these places.
http://www.newswatch50.com/news/local/s ... BFCC76B986 (http://www.newswatch50.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=9BD023BD-422B-490A-BFEA-3DBFCC76B986)
I think this one's been posted already, but I'll put them in one place to make it easier:
Twelve Ivy Ridge Students Charged With Riot
5/17/05
All of the students involved in Monday night's uprising at Ivy Ridge Academy have been expelled. That's according to the academy's director, Jason Finlinson.
About 12 students and several staff members were injured during Monday night's melee which began when some students attempted an escape.
Ivy Ridge, a few miles west of Ogdensburg on State Route 37 is a corrective facility for troubled teenagers. Parents pay approximately $60,000 to enroll their children in the program.
The facility is on the former campus of Mater Dei College.
State Police say they were called at 10:24 last evening as Academy officials reported a disturbance involving numerous students who intentionally caused damage to the facility and attacked several staff members.
Twenty State Troopers and Investigators responded along with Sheriff's deputies, Ogdensburg City Police and the U.S. Border Patrol.
About 30 students fled the facility in an escape attempt but all were found and returned to the Academy.
State Police say their investigation revealed that the disturbance was organized and initiated by 12 students, all of whom have been charged with Riot, 1st degree along with other charges:
Dustin Kava, 17 - Riot 1st Degree, Assault 3rd, Criminal Mischief 4th
Spagnoli Etienne, 17 - Riot 1st, Criminal Possession of a Weapon 4th, Harassment 2nd
Artie Conte, 16 - Riot 1st, Criminal Mischief 2nd
Christopher Definis, 17 - Riot 1st, Criminal Mischief 4th
Vadim Soskil, 18 - Riot 1st, Disorderly Conduct
Thomas Jeon, 17 - Riot 1st, Assault 3rd
Brandon Docusen, 16 - Riot 1st, Harassment 2nd
Daniel Burke, 17 - Riot 1st, Disorderly Conduct
Quintin Pedrick, 16 - Riot 1st, Assault 3rd, Criminal Mischief 4th
All nine of the above were arraigned in town of Oswegatchie court and held in St. Lawrence County Jail in lieu of $2500 bail each.
State Police say three 15 year olds were also charged with Riot 1st, Assault 3rd and Menacing 3rd. Their names were not released. They were issued Family Court appearance tickets and returned to Ivy Ridge Academy.
All of those injured in the incident were treated at Claxton-Hepburn Medical Center and released.
State Police say the investigation continues and additional arrests are possible.
6:30 AM News Update - Students Stage Escape From Ivy Ridge Academy
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STUDENTS STAGE ESCAPE FROM IVY RIDGE ACADEMY
A handful of troubled teens broke out of the Ivy Ridge Academy in Ogdensburg last night.
According to reports, the problems began last night around 10:30 PM. A fire alarm was pulled by a group of students who planned to stage a â??riotâ?
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I hope they got some get hits in on the staff while they had their chance. All I did for a year while at a WWASP gulag was dream of doing what they did. I hope they beat the crap out of the staff and jr staff. Must of felt great.
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I'm surprised about the expulsions. This sends a message to the other kids that there's a quick and easy way to get out of the place. Somthing tells me this story may repeat itself fairly soon.
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I think that it's so interesting that people think they know so much about Ivy Ridge when half you people have never even stepped foot in the place. Why don't you just go make up some more lies!! Get a freaken life would ya!!!!!!!
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On 2005-05-18 10:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm surprised about the expulsions. This sends a message to the other kids that there's a quick and easy way to get out of the place. Somthing tells me this story may repeat itself fairly soon."
Where do you think the "expelled" kids will land up?Boundary, n. In political geography, an imaginary line between two nations, separating the imaginary rights of one from the imaginary rights of another.
-- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
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Damn! Christopher and Quintin look like they've been there a long damned time!
I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
--William Howard Taft, U.S. President
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I remember two of those guys from when I left in Feb 2004. Yea, I can definitely understand their frustration.
In the history of Ivy Ridge there has only been one "escapee" that was never found. She was on level 6 on a home pass and decided to make a break for it in NYC. They caught her and brought her back, tried to ship her to TB, but legend has it she got away from them at the airport. Mostly vague rumors, I think. I wish those kids would have made it. It is tough when the whole neighborhood is on alert for this type of stuff. Ivy Ridge is in a fairly residential area, and the woods only go so far.
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I worked there in Feb. 2004 and I don't remember those two. But, if they were there then they probably should start figuring out what it takes to get out of the program. Obviously what they are doing isn't working. As for the girl who ran away on Level 6, as far as I know she is still missing too. Who knows how she got that far away without anybody finding her. I remember her when she came back to the program. She looked pretty scary. I guess she must have just been faking her way through.
On 2005-05-20 08:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I remember two of those guys from when I left in Feb 2004. Yea, I can definitely understand their frustration.
In the history of Ivy Ridge there has only been one "escapee" that was never found. She was on level 6 on a home pass and decided to make a break for it in NYC. They caught her and brought her back, tried to ship her to TB, but legend has it she got away from them at the airport. Mostly vague rumors, I think. I wish those kids would have made it. It is tough when the whole neighborhood is on alert for this type of stuff. Ivy Ridge is in a fairly residential area, and the woods only go so far. "
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Duh- everyone is faking their way through- they are terrified! You are completely clueless, or one of the FEW souls who actually believes in 'the program'. I hope you find your way out of the shadows. :flame:
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The kids made a mistake. What they should have done is went down to the river about 500 yds. away and got in a boat and went to Canada. Once in Canada, ask for political asylum. This would have really made the news. Canada would have been glad to see them. What a kick in the ass for the good old USA.
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How do they get from the lock down buildings to the river? I don't think you understand the reality of how they run these places. If the kids are not physically locked in by dead bolts and such, they're under guard by staffers and the more brainwashed of their fellow inmates (and/or those w/ more to lose than the new kids)
You don't just walk away.I tried for years to live according to everyone else's morality.
I tried to live like everyone else, to be like everyone else.
I said the right things even when I felt and thought quite differently.
And the result is a catastrophe.
---Albert Camus
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You don't just walk away.
---Albert Camus
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Obviously you do just walk away when you break windows and get out right? They did it, so it is possible.
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No, my understanding is that they had to fight off fellow inmates and staff and then the cops and national guard showed up. I don't think there was any time for anybody to make off w/ a boat, far less get anywhere in it.
Moralizing, with the force of law or coercion, is a
far greater crime against the constitutional principles of our nation than unauthorized euphoria, regardless of the substance involved, be it chocolate or heroin.
--James
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There should be a better way out for those who no longer want to "go along with the program." Humans can't be forced to change. Unfortunately it's WWASPS way or no way out for them. They have no contact with the outside world. Their only hope - their parents - are the ones who have imprisoned them privately. WWASP uses their mind control methods on the parents as well as their children. This is how they keep the children for so long. It's all about mind control. They are the ultimate mind-control cult schools.
I can understand why they did what they did. I would have done the same. Who wouldn't?Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its
best state is but a necessary evil ---in its worst state an
intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same
miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without
government, our calamities is heightened by reflecting that we
furnish the means by which we suffer!
Thomas Paine, Common Sense
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At ivy ridge there are always staff members within site of you. Most windows are fenced in, all are protected by lasers that trigger an alarm throughout the entire building. Within a minute or two they know exactly who is gone.
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chris
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:flame: This is absolute CRAP! Have you ever gone to this school and spent some time talking with staff? They are more than willing to let anyone tour. Stop making crap up until you see it for yourself. Let's stop pointing fingers and look at what this school has done for the community. Employing over 100 people. Not to mention the lives that have been changed. Cult? You would only know if you were really in one I guess. It sounds like some of you have more time on your hands than you need. Go look up the definition of CULT, then take a visit to Ivy Ridge. You will be shocked at how very wrong you are. Take accountability and grow up. No one cares when another 16 year old is buried due to lack of supervision and being with the wrong crowd. For once there are people out there who care, look what happens to those people. They are talked about and turned into CULT members. Get Real!
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Great! THis is why you were in a program. You still need to be in one by the sounds of it. You get what you put in, you got nothing because, you did not put anything in.
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On 2005-05-23 19:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
No one cares when another 16 year old is buried due to lack of supervision and being with the wrong crowd.
How true, how true. Here's a partial list of kids burried due to lack of supervision of the wrong crowd. More's the sorrow that, instead of protecting them, their own parents forced them to associate w/ these brutal, sadistic animals.
Robert Zimmerman - 17 years old - November 24, 1980 (Vision Quest)
Charles Lucas - 16 years old - November 24, 1980 (Vision Quest)
James Lamb - 14 years old - November 24, 1980 (Vision Quest)
Eric David Schibley - 17 years old - November 24, 1980 (Vision Quest)
Tammy Edmiston - September 11, 1982 (Vision Quest)
Leon Anger - September 16, 1984 (Vision Quest)
Brandon Haden - 18 years old - 1998 (Texas Neurological Rehab. Center)
Leroy Prinkley - 14 years old - September 28, 1988 (Western Center)
Joshua Ferarini - 13 years old - January 8, 1989 (St. Aemelian Hospital)
Wauketta Wallace - 12 years old - July 11, 1989 (Marysville Academy)
Roxanna Gray - 17 years old - July 6, 1989 (Family and Children's Center)
Danny Lewis - 16 years old - June 1989 (Vision Quest)
Gina Score - 14 years old - 1990 (Plankinton Boot Camp)
Diane Harris - 17 years old - April 11, 1990 (Sequin Community Living Center)
Michelle Lynn Sutton - 15 years old - May 9, 1990 (Summit Quest)
Kristen Chase - 16 years old - June 27, 1990 (Challenger Foundation)
Anthony Green - 15 years old - May 21, 1991 (Brookhaven Youth Ranch)
Paul Choy - 16 years old - 1992 (Rites of Passage)
Christy Scheck - 13 years old - March 6, 1992 (Southwood Pychiatric Hospital)
Dawn Renay Perry - 16 years old - April 10, 1993 (Behavior Training Research)
Jason Tallman - 12 years old - May 12, 1993 (KidsPeace)
Casey Collier - 17 years old - December 1993 (Cleo Wallace Center)
Aaron Wright Bacon - 16 years old - March 31, 1994 (Northstar Expeditions Wilderness Program)
Thomas Mapes - 17 years old - July 8, 1994 (Youth Center of Topeka)
Jamar Griffiths - 15 years old - October 18, 1994 (Allen Residential Center)
Shinaul McGraw - 12 years old - June 5, 1994 (New Directions 2nd Chance)
Lorenzo Johnson - 17 years old - June 27, 1994 (Arizona Boys Ranch)
Carlos Ruiz - 13 years old - December 16, 1994 (Vision Quest)
John Avila - July 25, 1994 (Rocky Mountain Academy)
Jeffrey Bogrett - 9 years old - December 1, 1995 (New England Center for Autism)
Earl Smith - 9 years old - January 11, 1995 (Children's Village)
Dawnne Takeuchi - 18 years old - June 25, 1995 (Vision Quest)
Eric Roberts - 16 years old - February 22, 1996 (Odyssey Harbor)
Will Futrelle - 15 years old - March 25, 1996 (Mountain Park Baptist Academy)
Bobby Sue Thomas - 17 years old - August 16, 1996 (Northwood Childrens Home)
Bobby Jo Randolf - 17 years old - September 26, 1996 (Progressive Youth Center)
Christopher Landre - 16 years old - June 12, 1997 (Paradise Cove)
Melissa Neyman - 19 years old - July 24, 1997 (Private Group Home in WA)
Rochelle Clayborne - 16 years old - August 18, 1997 (Laurel Ridge)
Jimmy Kanda - 16 years old - September 20, 1997 (Crow's Nest Family Care)
Chris Campbell - 13 years old - November 2, 1997 (Iowa Juvenile Home)
Robert Rollins - 12 years old - April 21, 1997 (Devereaux School)
Sakena Dorsey - 19 years old - June 10, 1997 (Foundation Behavioral)
Jeffery Demetrius - 17 years old - August 26, 1997 (Crockett State School)
Laura Hanson - 17 years old - November 19, 1998
Mark Draheim - 14 years old - December 1998 (KidsPeace)
Nicholaus Contreraz - 16 years old - March 2, 1998 (Arizona Boys Ranch)
Matt Toppi - 17 years old - March 7, 1998 (Robert Land Academy)
Chris Brown - 16 years old - March 7, 1998 (Robert Land Academy)
Andrew McClain - 11 years old - March 22, 1998 (Elmcrest Psychiatric Hospital)
Tristan Sovern -16 years old - April 19, 1998 (Charter Behavioral Health)
Mark Soares - 16 years old - April 29, 1998 (Wayside Union Academy)
Edith Campos - February 4, 1998 (Desert Hills)
Kristal Mayon-Cenceros - 16 years old - February 5, 1999 (New Alternatives)
Jerry McLaurin - 14 years old - November 2, 1999 (New Horizons Ranch)
Joshua Sharpe - 17 years old - December 28, 1999 (Wisconsin Treatment Center)
Willie Wright - 9 years old - February 4, 2000 (Southwest Mental Health)
Michael Ibarra-Wiltsie - 12 years old - February 5, 2000
Randy Steele - 9 years old - February 6, 2000 (Laurel Ridge)
Sabrina E. Day - 15 years old - February 10, 2000 (North Carolina Group Home)
Corey William Murphy - 17 years old - March 21, 2000 (Spring Creek Lodge)
Candace Newmaker - 10 years old - April 18, 2000 (Evergreen Attachment Center)
William "Eddie" Lee - 15 years old - September 18, 2000 (Obsidian Trails Wilderness Camp)
Stephanie Duffield - 16 years old - February 11, 2001 (Shiloh Residential Treatment Center)
Ryan Lewis - 14 years old - February 13, 2001 (Alldredge Academy)
Anthony "Tony" Haynes - 14 years old - July 1, 2001 (American Buffalo Soldiers Reenactment )
Valerie Ann Heron - 17 years old - August 10, 2001 (Tranquility Bay)
Katherine Lank - 16 years old - January 13, 2002 (Red Rock RAnch Academy)
Latasha Bush - 15 years old - February 14, 2002 (Daystar Residential Treatment Center)
Cedric Napoleaon - 14 years old - March 7, 2002 (Mason Middle School)
Erica Harvey - 15 years old - May 27, 2002 (Catherine Freer Wilderness Program)
Ian August - 14 years old - July 13, 2002 (Skyline Journey)
Maria Mendoza - 14 years old - October 12, 2002 (Krause Children's Center)
Charles "Chase" Moody - 17 years old - October 14, 2002 (On Track Wilderness Therapy)
Corey Baines - 16 years old - March 26 - 2003 (Catherine Freer Wilderness Expeditions)
Name Withheld (female) - 16 years old - October 8, 2004 (Spring Creek Lodge Academy)
Name Withheld (male) - 15 years old - November 3, 2004 (Thayer Learning Center)
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proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in
everlasting ignorance- that principle is contempt prior to investigation.
--Herbert Spencer
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A few names
Nov 04 Roberto Reyes 15 Thayer Learning Center
Nov 05 Boy 17 Missouri Military Academy
Apr 05 Travis Parker 13 Appalachian Wilderness Camp
Apr 05 Randi Koetz Casa By The Sea
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Damn! I've never seen it listed like that. :smile:
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I'm sure there are countless others who aren't accounted for.
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Have you seen Jery Vancil lately?
For something that has spread with all the forethought of kudzu, the Internet isn't half bad."
-- Newsweek, 2/27/95
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8:30 AM News Update - Parent Of Ivy Ridge Student Denied Access To Records
http://www.newswatch50.com/news/local/s ... E21E391469 (http://www.newswatch50.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=4DB5EC95-BA55-4A96-AF66-5DE21E391469)
PARENT OF IVY RIDGE STUDENT DENIED ACCESS TO RECORDS
At least one parent is unhappy with the way the administration handled an uprising at Ivy Ridge.
9 students were arrested and Ivy Ridge expelled 40 students in the wake of what was described as a 'riot' at the Ogdensburg school. A parent of a student in the program told NewsWatch50 that after spending more than 20-thousand dollars on the program she is being refused transcripts and records of her child's performance and treatment.
She has gone to the State Attorney General in an effort to get the records released.
All but one student has been released from jail.
[ This Message was edited by: BuzzKill on 2005-05-26 07:59 ]
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Ivy Ridge Academy Investigated By Attorney General
The Ivy Ridge Academy in Ogdensburg is under investigation by the State Attorney General for issuing diplomas that are ?essentially worthless?.
The Academy is not currently accredited by any agency or the State to issue diplomas. School officials told the Daily Courier in Ogdensburg that private, non-public schools such as the Academy are not required to hold accreditation to operate. School officials deny any wrongdoing and are working with the A.G.?s office to address concerns. The school has also agreed to suspend issuing diplomas until it obtains permission to issue State-approved ones.
Students currently enrolled are being asked to transfer credits earned there to their schools of origin. If the school accepts the credits from the Academy, they can be awarded a diploma from their home school.
St. Lawrence County District Attorney Gary Miles told the Daily Courier that the A.G.?s office has been in contact with him and expects to wrap up the investigation soon. The Academy has said it will comply with any conditions set by the A.G.?s office and the State Education Department.
http://www.newswatch50.com/news/local/s ... 765757272D (http://www.newswatch50.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=A284BFC5-8726-4275-90F1-52765757272D)
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"The Academy is not currently accredited by any agency or the State to issue diplomas. School officials told the Daily Courier in Ogdensburg that private, non-public schools such as the Academy are not required to hold accreditation to operate. School officials deny any wrongdoing and are working with the A.G.?s office to address concerns."
Does anyone have a copy of the contract that the parents sign for Ivy Ridge? If so, could you tell us what it says in it, verbatim, about the education and the "diplomas" that the children can earn. Also, could you give us the exact verbiage on the contract the parents sign about the accredidation of the school?
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On 2005-05-23 20:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"A few names
Nov 04 Roberto Reyes 15 Thayer Learning Center
Nov 05 Boy 17 Missouri Military Academy
Apr 05 Travis Parker 13 Appalachian Wilderness Camp
Apr 05 Randi Koetz Casa By The Sea
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Casa was closed in 04... how did someone die in 05? :eek: Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind...it doesn't matter!
-- Chuck Gauran
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On 2005-05-28 09:23:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
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On 2005-05-23 20:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"A few names
Nov 04 Roberto Reyes 15 Thayer Learning Center
Nov 05 Boy 17 Missouri Military Academy
Apr 05 Travis Parker 13 Appalachian Wilderness Camp
Apr 05 Randi Koetz Casa By The Sea
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Casa was closed in 04... how did someone die in 05? :cry:
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Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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with the whole TB holding kids down until they scream in agony... I think im going to diagree with you i met a few girls that transferred from TB to CSA and said that they wanted to go back to TB so they wrote their mom and they were transferred back and when they came in there were no markings on them to indicate any abuse and they never said anything about it. we, at CSA, are very observant when new girls come in so we would have asked but they were fine and if it was so bad why would they want to go back so bad...
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On 2005-06-11 10:01:00, ButterflyEP wrote:
"with the whole TB holding kids down until they scream in agony... I think im going to diagree with you i met a few girls that transferred from TB to CSA and said that they wanted to go back to TB so they wrote their mom and they were transferred back and when they came in there were no markings on them to indicate any abuse and they never said anything about it. we, at CSA, are very observant when new girls come in so we would have asked but they were fine and if it was so bad why would they want to go back so bad... "
The abuse as TB (and other WWASP facilities, CSA included) is well documented. The reason you didn't notice any bruises was because they try hard not to leave bruises, so that no one will notice what the poor child has been through.
All of WWASP's programs are highly abusive, TB in particular.
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Well documented where? Here? I've seen a few things written, but never anything that led to a winning lawsuit by those students or their parents.
Well docmented? Newspapers and magazines? Credible? Not!
Well documented? By PURE or other competitors? No reason to think they have an ulterior motive is there?
Well documented by the WWASPS vs PURE lawsuit? PURE had those victims testify in court with their stories and those that have no experience of troubled teens or the RTC's are listening to the "sincere" testimony and believe it. Again, was there a winning lawsuit for anything that these folks told in court? Stories and proof are not the same.
These same kinds of stories are told at all teen speciality schools/programs. None of them are immune.
PHX
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On 2005-06-11 11:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well documented where? Here? I've seen a few things written, but never anything that led to a winning lawsuit by those students or their parents.
Well docmented? Newspapers and magazines? Credible? Not!
Well documented? By PURE or other competitors? No reason to think they have an ulterior motive is there?
Well documented by the WWASPS vs PURE lawsuit? PURE had those victims testify in court with their stories and those that have no experience of troubled teens or the RTC's are listening to the "sincere" testimony and believe it. Again, was there a winning lawsuit for anything that these folks told in court? Stories and proof are not the same.
These same kinds of stories are told at all teen speciality schools/programs. None of them are immune.
PHX"
Here, on the ISAC sites, and on plenty of other sites through the web. Google it.
As for lawsuits-- why are you WWASPies so caught up with that? WWASP manages to settle many of the complaints out of courtt because they don't want the truth to be known, but that doesn't mean it's not true. WWASP is abusive. There's no doubt about it. When Gini Farmer went to court to get her cousin out of TB, the jury accepted the testimony of the former students who told of horrible acts of physical and mental abuse. At the WWASP vs. PURE trial, the credibility of these storiews was not even placed in doubt.
I understand why you keep your blinders on. Looking reality in the face must really hurt after buying into WWASP's bullshit for so long.
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On 2005-06-11 11:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well documented where? Here? I've seen a few things written, but never anything that led to a winning lawsuit by those students or their parents.
Well docmented? Newspapers and magazines? Credible? Not!
Well documented? By PURE or other competitors? No reason to think they have an ulterior motive is there?
Well documented by the WWASPS vs PURE lawsuit? PURE had those victims testify in court with their stories and those that have no experience of troubled teens or the RTC's are listening to the "sincere" testimony and believe it. Again, was there a winning lawsuit for anything that these folks told in court? Stories and proof are not the same.
These same kinds of stories are told at all teen speciality schools/programs. None of them are immune.
PHX"
How about all the people who lived through it, you stupid fuck! :skull: Who are you to come on here and tell us what happens, were you at a program? You are a program apologist, why?? Are you a program parent, or some ignorant observer who can't help but comment on things they know nothing about?
A winning lawsuit? This is your standard of proof? WOW... so by your reasoning I guess ciggarettes just aren't that bad, huh?
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Stories and proof are not the same.
OH, I'm sorry I didn't have my digital camera handy when locked up against my will for over a year and saw people getting the shit beat out of them. Sorry, no audio recorder to record all the screams of people spending weeks and months in isolation who eventually lose touch with reality. OH.. and no former employees are willing to incriminate themselves.. Yeah.. I am SOOO SORRY to not be able to provide you with legal proof.
Yeah right. Nobody gives a shit if you believe us. The people involved have what's coming, even with all the cocksucker apologists out there working for free such as yourself. Why don't you go to Ken Kays house and suck a few off, I'm sure he'd appreciate it you stupid motherfucker. :wave:
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On 2005-06-11 11:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well documented where? Here? I've seen a few things written, but never anything that led to a winning lawsuit by those students or their parents.
Well docmented? Newspapers and magazines? Credible? Not!
Well documented? By PURE or other competitors? No reason to think they have an ulterior motive is there?
Well documented by the WWASPS vs PURE lawsuit? PURE had those victims testify in court with their stories and those that have no experience of troubled teens or the RTC's are listening to the "sincere" testimony and believe it. Again, was there a winning lawsuit for anything that these folks told in court? Stories and proof are not the same.
These same kinds of stories are told at all teen speciality schools/programs. None of them are immune.
PHX"
You should learn to use modern research tools, you dope. You make yourself sound like a moron when you make comments like this.
Read on:
"Some of the jurors cried as they watched video clips of the ?Box,? where American children were reportedly hog-tied, hand-cuffed, duct-taped, starved, and slugged by staff. The program was closed after the government found ?credible allegations of abuse.? Videos showed children covered with skin infections, and flies in their sparse food, at WWASP?s Paradise Cove; other clips showed photos of children in dog cages at WWASP?s High Impact in Mexico, and other alleged abuses by WWASP.
Although the St. George, Utah businessmen, Robert Lichfield, Karr Farnsworth, and Ken Kay, claim High Impact was not affiliated with WWASP, former employees and parents testified otherwise. Employees said they were told not to reveal the program?s affiliation with WWASP. One former employee testified she had personally traveled to High Impact with current WWASP President, Ken Kay, who solicited her silence.
One of the victims of WWASP, a boy of 19, sat in the court and sobbed as defense lawyers showed video clips of the children in dog cages. The boy said his ordeal began at age 12, as WWASP trafficked him through five of their children?s programs over 4 ½ years. The child was the subject of an alleged murder plot at Paradise Cove, having his head banged against a coral reef and knocked unconscious as the older boys attempted to drown him in a desperate effort to close the program. The boy weighed only 80 pounds during his confinement at Paradise Cove, and he said he was hidden from television reporters covering the program. His confinement within the WWASP Empire of children?s programs ended 4 ½ years later with his removal from the cages at High Impact."
WWASP program closed after the government finds "credible allegations of abuse." I guess the government has been subverted by some manipulating teenage druggies, huh?
PHX, you are a total jackass. For someone who claims to be an intelligent, critical thinker, you sure say some dumb things.
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PHX is a troll, a programmie, or a program-parent.
Learn to let it go. The only possible positive outcome of countering her posts is to educate someone whose coming to the forum and just learning about this issue - but most people who arent sucked into a program yet are already wary and notice how ridiculous it is, and how the programmies act.
PHX wont ever be convinced otherwise, nomatter what you say. You might as well talk Ginger into censoring the forum :grin: And now the liberals want to stop President Reagan from selling chemical warfare agents and military equipment to Saddam Hussein and why? Because Saddam 'allegedly' gassed a few Kurds in his own country. Mark my words. All of this talk of Saddam Hussein being a 'war criminal' or 'committing crimes against humanity' is the same old thing. LIBERAL HATE SPEECH! and speaking of poison gas... I SAY WE ROUND UP ALL THE DRUG ADDICTS AND GAS THEM TOO!
--Rush Limbaugh, November 3, 1988
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Yes, we know trolls and programmies when we see them. True. feeding them is not always a good idea. True again.
I do feel it's important though to rebut and refute what assholes like this state as fact. I think it's important so that when some parent who is actually considering sending their kid to a horrible institution like a WWASP prison, that they don't just see this shit and accept it as true.
I believe these type of statements should be debunked before someone actually believes them or, even worse, acts on them...
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Most sane parents see the crap spewed out of the mouths of the programmie parents that attend to WWASPS like a religion and shy away, unless some program pushers or ed-cons have already... well, ed-conned them.
But yeah, fire away! Lol, Just dont give the troll the kind of reaction they want too easy :wink: The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest possible limits. ... and [when] the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.
-- St. George Tucker, Judge of the Virginia Supreme Court 1803
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Ive been in Ivy ridge and its shit, and ive seen finlinson personally beat the shit outta kids, they do abuse kids! kids dont jus escape 4 no reason, kes put 2 and 1 here, obviously somethings happenning, but dont wrry me and over 100 grads and kids whove gotten pulled r doIn somethIN about this, ive gotten in contact with state reps and something WILL be done 2 put these shit holes away 4 good! if u wanna email me, email @ hbknerika@aol.com and my AIM is BOY EXPL1c1TE.. J@v13R
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There should be a better way out for those who no longer want to "go along with the program." Humans can't be forced to change. Unfortunately it's WWASPS way or no way out for them. They have no contact with the outside world. Their only hope - their parents - are the ones who have imprisoned them privately. WWASP uses their mind control methods on the parents as well as their children. This is how they keep the children for so long. It's all about mind control. They are the ultimate mind-control cult schools.
I can understand why they did what they did. I would have done the same. Who wouldn't?Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its
best state is but a necessary evil ---in its worst state an
intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same
miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without
government, our calamities is heightened by reflecting that we
furnish the means by which we suffer!
Thomas Paine, Common Sense
An oldie but a goodie! I just found this. It makes you go hmmm....I guess nothing much has changed?
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Well documented where? Here? I've seen a few things written, but never anything that led to a winning lawsuit by those students or their parents.
Well docmented? Newspapers and magazines? Credible? Not!
Well documented? By PURE or other competitors? No reason to think they have an ulterior motive is there?
Well documented by the WWASPS vs PURE lawsuit? PURE had those victims testify in court with their stories and those that have no experience of troubled teens or the RTC's are listening to the "sincere" testimony and believe it. Again, was there a winning lawsuit for anything that these folks told in court? Stories and proof are not the same.
These same kinds of stories are told at all teen speciality schools/programs. None of them are immune.
PHX
Thank you PHX for setting the record straight. While we're at it, I would also like to point out that no one was ever abused at Abu Ghraib or the "Hanoi Hilton" either. The people who were temporarily housed at those places were pampered guests of very gracious hosts who fed them well -- even gave them room service -- offered them exercise (tennis, golf and other recreational activities), satellite TV, books & magazines (even skin mags), letters to and from home -- even conjugal visits.
Anyone who claims that people were abused in those places is a liar and a manipulator!!!
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Well documented where? Here? I've seen a few things written, but never anything that led to a winning lawsuit by those students or their parents.
Well docmented? Newspapers and magazines? Credible? Not!
Well documented? By PURE or other competitors? No reason to think they have an ulterior motive is there?
Well documented by the WWASPS vs PURE lawsuit? PURE had those victims testify in court with their stories and those that have no experience of troubled teens or the RTC's are listening to the "sincere" testimony and believe it. Again, was there a winning lawsuit for anything that these folks told in court? Stories and proof are not the same.
These same kinds of stories are told at all teen speciality schools/programs. None of them are immune.
PHX
Thank you PHX for setting the record straight. While we're at it, I would also like to point out that no one was ever abused at Abu Ghraib or the "Hanoi Hilton" either. The people who were temporarily housed at those places were pampered guests of very gracious hosts who fed them well -- even gave them room service -- offered them exercise (tennis, golf and other recreational activities), satellite TV, books & magazines (even skin mags), letters to and from home -- even conjugal visits.
Anyone who claims that people were abused in those places is a liar and a manipulator!!!
PHX is an apologist and shill piece for WWASPS. This moron has been carrying on like this for years.
Well, PHX, care to dispute this:
http://news10now.com/content/top_storie ... ArID=79529 (http://news10now.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=79529)
Yet another violent, viscious assault at Ivy Ridge, which, by the way, is currently the respondednt in a $100million lawsuit for abuse and fraud.
PHX, you were saying...?
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i am so not surprised this happened i left that shithole on the 6th not even 2wks b4 this happened.....And for the kids that got arrested, they got exactly what they wanted...Like ive read many other program kids say, we always thought being ANYWHERE was better than that fukin place cause it was.