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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: linchpin on May 12, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
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To disclose or not to disclose? Filling out job apps..for low end bullshit.What would you do?
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If your not going to disclose find out the companies policy on back ground checks. If you do not disclose and they do a background check and find it, your out automatically. (I used to do the hiring for a typical corporate america company) They wouldn't hire anyone if they found a discrepancy like that.
I imagine it's like your still pulling time. Everyone complains about the amount of tax money we pay to incarcerate people. Then we turn around and make it impossible for them to support themselves on the outside.
Then they have the nerve to complain about recidivism rates.
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See my deal is I have 2 nasty heroin charges but they are almost 10 years old. I havent recieved so much as a ticket since then (ok one speeding ticket)
But you get my point..Ok I fucked up at 24 years old..
As Im going thru my stack of apps I see some say "have you been convicted in last 7 years"
Some its nine years so I can honestly say "no"
I think that non violent/non theft shit should be sealed after 10 years of no trouble.
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depending on the state you can petition to have them exponged or adjudicated (excuse spelling) Talk to your legal aid or a lawyer. You must do so in the state of conviction. call a couple of back groung check agencies and ask how far back they usualy go.
good luck
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Thanks...I cant get it expunged Ive had lawyer look into it because I had 2 charges..one did get dropped in plea deal but due to the nature of it its there for good.
But I know people that have jobs with charges like "abuse of a corpse" "murder" etc...
At least I dont have abuse of a corpse...imagine explaining that on job interview..haha
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DUH if they find it you are out. If you tell the truth to begin with you are not even considered. What's to lose?
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Yeah fuck em..went to one place and got a "were full" and started hustling ...talking shit about how great I am..the not hiring turned into 2 interviews followed by a 3rd monday.
Always been good at manipulation
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On 2005-05-12 14:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"DUH if they find it you are out. If you tell the truth to begin with you are not even considered. What's to lose?
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OK so I deserved the DUH. But what I was trying to say was that most people exaggerate or lie on their resumes. Some companies care enough to check some don't.
Good luck on Monday.
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Linchpin, that's not manipulation. Unless you're just lying about yourself. But to say what you're good at shouldn't be something to be ashamed of.
So does anyone know how far back they do look? I have something from now 12 years ago that came up last year for an apartment. I am starting to look for jobs too and, since it just passed the 12 year mark, I'm hoping this wont show up anymore. It's really frustrating. Any more advice from anyone??
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depends on line of work..if its just some waiting tables or whatever no...almost no restaurants check.
If you are more professional type person you might be best using the "When I was a kid I made a mistake...blah blah Im in recovery"
I know a woman who went to the joint for ~ Abusing a corpse~ and she works.
I filled out 13 applications...of those one said have you been convicted in 7 years? other was nine.
The rest were "ever"
I lie on mine because Im trying to work at places like Abuelos, Outback etc..
One time I was talking to my old manager 2 years into the job ...and told him "yah I lied on my app about my felony" cuz at that point it didnt matter..
I laughed about it...
He said " I wish you would have told us..we get tax break for hiring felons"
I dont tell anyone shit...in my opinion I didnt do anything that bad...the heroin I had was going in my arm...I wasnt dealing. I recieved no treatment through my incarceration...unless you call living on a unit run by MEXIKANEME ( Mexican mafia) drug treatment..but it was better than straight
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Ive tried being honest about my record and as soon as the word "heroin" comes out of my mouth...its over...
Why cant they just settle for Poss controlled substance? They always wanna know what it was...
More people have tried a line of cocaine or ecstacy
than heroin...
Heroin has a bad stigma...and it should its the king of dope.
But not every heroin addict stays that way..I havent used H in 4 years and just kicked methadone at home cold turkey.
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Here's what I found in TX about getting records expunged:
Can you get criminal charges cleared from your record?
Were you arrested but never charged?
Were you arrested on a charge that was later dismissed?
Were you acquitted of a charge against you?
Was your conviction overturned on appeal?
Were you pardoned for a conviction?
If you can answer yes to any of these questions, then you MAY be able to get your record expunged.
Which really sucks because none of this applies to me. You would think after 10 or 12 years it would drop off.
:tup:
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I just found this though. Linchpin, did you get deferred adjudication for it? If so you should be able to get what's called an Order of Nondisclosure (at least in TX). Apparently if you wait a certain amount of time you can get it off. I think I actually fall under this category so maybe I can use this. It doesnt take it off, just keeps them from being allowed to report it.
This would be such a relief.
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OK well actually it may not help me cause I might want to work for a governmental agency, which doesnt apply to this apparently.
Im kind of leaning towards just dont tell them. If you put it down, what are the chances of getting an interview?? Not high I think.
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No there was no deferred. I was busted in 30 something person heroin "ring" sweep. I had multi charges...was followed by narcotics detectives for a year being filmed etc..
I was in what you call deep shit.If I hadnt had a ok lawyer and no priors I woulda lost 25 years
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Already had a lawyer look into it ...Its the war on drugs..
They even took away college loans for drug felons deeming them "waste of $" but my case falls before that law...
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how very sad that people such as yourself, for doing things that were hurting no one else, and none of the government damn business, are living inside concrete boxes right now. it is so wrong.
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we reap what we sow
:roll:
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I believe everyone should be given a second chance. Especially for things that don't hurt others or are misdemeanors and stuff. It's insane how intense all the background checks and credit checks are getting nowadays... Seems very capitalistic and competitive to me. Not much room for being a real person IMO.
I do know one guy who has a felony, and he got a degree in computer programming. He's had a lot of computer jobs, but he doesn't tell them about it and then he tries to make a good impression before they find out. It seems like they usually have decided to just keep him. They use that stuff to weed people out, I say don't let them know until they get to know you a little. It's sad that's how it is though.
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On 2005-05-13 20:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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we reap what we sow
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Dude fuck you . I sat in prison 4 years and did 10,000 hours community service..
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If life were fair, W would be making a living saying "You want fries w/ that?"
You reap what you sow if you're a lonely farmer working a pristine field. Otherwise, you eat shit in some form or fashion that's generated by the people around you.
This is a perfect example of that! In a sane world, we'd reserve our prison space for people we're afraid of, not people we're mad at. 4 years in a cage is a monsterous response to the non-crime of posession of certain unpatentable substances.
Religion is based . . . mainly on fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race.
--Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathemetician, and social critic
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Linch, Don't fret. I spent 5 years in the FL state prison system, got out, moved to NY. From my due diligence, I've worked as a project manager for Merrill Lynch, IBM, and AT&T. ML, I skated around the background check, I was a contractor, they told me to report to the fingerprinting place and I said, OK be there in 1 hour, never showed up and it fell off the radar with them(Luck). AT&T never checked, and IBM only ran a check for 7 years. I currently work as a program manager for a networking company handling financial clients and they only looked back 7 years, for which I said NOPE nothing in the past 7 years. I NEVER told any of them, the best bet is the previous advice, get in, prove yourself and then if you feel froggy, leap and tell them about it. I have in the past, confided in my previouc managers about my past (after a lengthy period of time) and on the contrary, they were impressed with how far I've come, I also became very good friends with them and hang with them on a daily basis, actually burn the 420 with them. It's a touchy topic bro, to do or don't? I lean on the side of don't and if they find out deal with it, it's better to have the job for a temp period of time than not have one at all. Good luck my friend, and there is light out there, I am living proof of it. Peace Mark
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On 2005-05-13 20:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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we reap what we sow
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Fuck you and the cow you rode in on. Drug laws are unjust, and blaming someone for problems that they have due to non violent, victimless crimes indicates to me that you are part of the problem. Asshole.
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See Linch, Honesty is not allways the best policy! You need to take Straight tactics and turn them into tictacs and make things simple. Be a liar, You will find that we all do it very well!
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I personally would advise never to tell. Nothing good can come from it. Only REAL possibility is getting terminated on the spot.
DEFINITELY don't tell, even when asked.
The laws are all fucked up, yes. I ended up getting hit with 1-3 in NYS system for my first and only pop - no sale involved. However, I was CHARGED with A Class felony which carries 25-life in NY.
If I weren't a great dealer making lots of money, I could never have come up with the shoebox full of cash required for my lawyer's $25,000 retainer and $1000/court day fees and the subsequent dropping of the A, B, and C Class felonies for which I was charged.
I call it "Capital Punishment." If you have capital, you don't get punished...
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On 2005-05-19 06:30:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"I personally would advise never to tell. Nothing good can come from it. Only REAL possibility is getting terminated on the spot.
DEFINITELY don't tell, even when asked.
The laws are all fucked up, yes. I ended up getting hit with 1-3 in NYS system for my first and only pop - no sale involved. However, I was CHARGED with A Class felony which carries 25-life in NY.
If I weren't a great dealer making lots of money, I could never have come up with the shoebox full of cash required for my lawyer's $25,000 retainer and $1000/court day fees and the subsequent dropping of the A, B, and C Class felonies for which I was charged.
I call it "Capital Punishment." If you have capital, you don't get punished...
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i agree :tup:
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Yup, yup! Bear in mind also that, just because they ask, doesn't mean they really want to know. Companies get insurance breaks and such for implimenting these policies.
Shit, come to think of it, why waste what little good you might take from all of our experience and observation of the Program. Virgil actually managed to get physicians rights at local hospitals based on his falacious claim that he was a bonafied psychiatrist! Gimme a break, man! You're worried about some old conviction? Nobody's looking, nobody cares. They all need good people to do whatever they're paying for. They can't afford to be too picky about shit that doesn't enter into that equation.
[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce
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bummp
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:::BUMP:::
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Can't get a job because of a felony. You can't get a job at Target, WalMart, AppleBees, Gravestone's, Toys R Us, and all these other corporate lowlife stores. And its not like these stores pay any more than the mom-and-pop stores who don't have the 10 dollars to check your record. They're just corporated and make shit more money and pay you less. No, why you can't get jobs is because my sister works for that big fucking firm who invented Checking and Investigations of potential backgrounds. You can't fucking walk without these kinds of companies knowing your ever step!!! Not kidding. I disagree that these hired firms don't want to know!
For example, my sister works for a company called CHOICES. this company is a hire-out company that gets their money from places like Bennagins' who would hire them nationwide to look into the references and information provided by you on your application. If you said you did not have a criminal record, if you did not disclose your appropriate social security number ...it is going to come up. And you are NOT going to get a job
I wonder if it is possible to get a NEW social security number that does not disclose such information about any criminal record ???