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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: The Liger on May 03, 2005, 04:33:00 PM
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http://www.teenwakeupcall.com/72.html (http://www.teenwakeupcall.com/72.html)
Check out the price at the bottom...
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Actually, there's more weird stuff offered:
http://www.teenwakeupcall.com/extreme.html (http://www.teenwakeupcall.com/extreme.html)
http://www.teenwakeupcall.com/coach.html (http://www.teenwakeupcall.com/coach.html)
http://www.teenwakeupcall.com/advocacy.html (http://www.teenwakeupcall.com/advocacy.html)
The prices are unbelievable!
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That site is scary! Sounds like WWASPS on steroids kinda. I can't imagine either that anybody in their program actually gets out after the initial 72 hours!
How soon will we need to add a folder for victims of this place?
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$22,750 for the 72 hours of slave labor - wow what a deal! They don't even indicate where this is located or any type of acredidation. It seems like there are many who are jumping on the money-making torture teen industry band wagon......
DON'T WAIT - ACT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
****Costs for 72 Hour Intervention and 12 weeks of Monitoring start at $22,750 and can escalate depending on
each individuals circumstances (clinical issues, travel for staff and/or subject, frequency of monitoring etc.)****
IF A 72 HR WAKE UP CALL IS NOT REQUIRED, WE OFFER A 36 HOUR INTENSIFIED WAKE UP CALL.
****Costs for 36 Hour Intervention and 6 weeks of Monitoring start at $13,750 and can escalate depending on
each individuals circumstances (clinical issues, travel for staff and/or subject, frequency of monitoring etc.)****
There's no "I" in team.
There's no "U" in team, either.
So... if you're not on the team and I'm not on the team, then who's on the fucking team?
yea, the team sux...down with the team
The Great Jack and King Rea
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Oh, incidentally, I caught a Dr. Phil commercial. Would you believe he's doing an episode on a "weird" cult that practices poligamy? I shit you not! That mother fucker's working both sides of the street right in broad daylight. :roll:
I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.
-- A. Whitney Brown
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On 2005-05-03 16:23:00, Antigen wrote:
"That mother fucker..."
...has a godamn cult following of his own. fekkin retardified society.
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You know, it would be fun to call the 800 number and see if they have any references, as in satisfied customers. I am dying to know who has used this service. Maybe some rich-ass people who don't want their kid gone for too long, because they don't want anyone to notice.
The guy probably shouldn't show his picture on there. I would be scared to hand my kid over to that meathead.
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What a plan. Three days for almost the same price of a year in one of the lower end programs or 30 day 'wilderness' experience?
Now, WHAT are they doing to kids in 3 days to produce 'results'? And if they can produce 'results' in three days, what does that say about the more lengthy programs?
And what will their excuse be when it doesn't work? Well, your child needs more than short-term intervention? We can refer you to x,y,z program.
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"intense" intervention is rather obviously just torture.
I mean, its not like they say what they do, so what the fuck is it then? If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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I feel SO damn sorry for the kid whos parents fall for this scam.
Let's see what the treatment consists of...
1. Early rising each day.
2. Breakfast
3. Rigourous road work. Repeated as needed for therapeutic value.
4. Lunch.
5. "Scared Straight" with visits to a Jail, or "12 Step" Recovery meeting.
6. Therapeutic discussions and Workshops:
7. Dinner.
8. Therapeutic chore - as indicated
9. Therapeutic Work study and SELF CONTROL exercises.
10. Bedtime
Someone please tell me this is a joke. PLEASE
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The guy is located in a northern part of San Diego.
You notice a lot of WWASP people come from Southern California too... hmm, they go where the rich parents are. Funny how that works! :silly:
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I have to say though...I WISH someone had taken me to the facility I was sent to as a wake-up call! I mean, I don't know what the people in this program go through, but I would have looked over my shoulder much more carefully after I had seen where I would go if I wasn't a good little girl. I never imagined what the programs were like, never even heard of them.
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This guy seems to have very good credentials. I think maybe you people don't want any kid to get help. Sure it's exspensive, but it is not a lock down, the kids goes home at the end of the day. It might or might not help, but I do not see how it could be abusive if the kids goes home at night. A person would not only be evil, but stupid to try anything abusive. Here is someone trying to help kids, and all you guys can do is tear it apart and look for wrong. You don't even try to see that it might be helpful. Have an open mind.
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WHERE in north San Diego County is this guy? I'm from no. San Diego county, and I have lots of contacts there, maybe I can find something out.
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What part of the program would incur expenses that high?? Are they going to fly the kids to visit the jails in Iraq?
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On 2005-05-04 04:41:00, 4peace wrote:
"WHERE in north San Diego County is this guy? I'm from no. San Diego county, and I have lots of contacts there, maybe I can find something out.
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Oceanside
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This is making me sick .....i can't believe that people can get away with this !!!!
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Get away with trying to help kids?
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Parents who believe this HORSE SHIT deserve to have their money taken.
You can only pray for the kids.
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"TONY PALLOTTO is also president of Teen Adolescent Placement Services (T.A.P.S.)"
BIG surprise, huh? So he suckers you in to buying his treatment, then sells ya into residential making another referral fee. " Oh no.. he needs long term treatment to make this change permanent..um, really."
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the kids "go home at night", now where did you get that from? In my opinion, if you're gone 72 hours, which they advertise, you're NOT going home at night, not the first night, and not the second night. Do the math!
Where do you think they take those kids once they kidnap them in the middle of the night? I doubt they're taken to an office building for those 72 hours.
If it takes the 'regular' boot camps/behav. mod/troubled teen facility MONTHS to "make the kids right", and we all know what abuse they use, I wonder the type and level of abuse THIS place must use to break the kids sufficiently for their purposes in only 72 hours. It's frightening to think of.
Let me tell you people something, though, about the San Diego County Family Court System. They gave a man custody of his daughter at the hearing wherein the took away custody of his son after the man abused him!
Good luck prosecuting any kind of abuse in the San Diego court system!
This guy just might prosper down there. Sad.
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If I was a teen who had gotten this "wake-up call" I would have been out the door and not stopped running until I got to a big enough city to stay "lost" in.
Where I would have hit the homeless shelters, the soup kitchens, and the libraries until I was eighteen and didn't have to fear being taken back--at which point I would have gotten a job, taken my GED, etc.
I would have considered taking care of myself on the streets to be much less risky to my long term life and health than one of these places, and (with an adult's judgement at 38) I think I would have been right to do so.
At 16, I could have picked the homeless shelters over the pimps. Probably would have gotten raped a time or two. Which probably would have been the lesser of the two harms. Sometimes all you have to pick between are two really sucky choices.
And I would have made it, too. At sixteen, I already knew how to find edible stuff outside--and you really don't need food all that bad when you run--it's the lack of water and the exposure that gets you, and you can handle both if you know what you're doing. I would have kept the hell away from people until I got to the city.
Of course, I was a weird kid. My family camped a lot. By the time I was twelve I'd already figured out how to actually run away and survive to get to a destination, what I'd need, etc.
It wouldn't have been *fun*---but it would have been better than getting forcibly indoctrinated into some wacky psychotherapy cult.
My parents were and are nice people, but I figured out early that in some ways they were a bit detached from reality and that I had darned well better by "the grownup" as far as looking out for my own safety.
Timoclea
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That's really sad T, but it sounds like you would have done well in a program, afterall you didn't need shoes or much food and water!
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On 2005-05-04 04:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This guy seems to have very good credentials. I think maybe you people don't want any kid to get help. Sure it's exspensive, but it is not a lock down, the kids goes home at the end of the day. It might or might not help, but I do not see how it could be abusive if the kids goes home at night. A person would not only be evil, but stupid to try anything abusive. Here is someone trying to help kids, and all you guys can do is tear it apart and look for wrong. You don't even try to see that it might be helpful. Have an open mind."
I don't get how he "seems" to have good credentials. If he was trying to help kids, he wouldn't be charging a bazillion dollars to do it. All he does is kidnap the kid for a couple of days and rough him up a bit. He probably scares the shit out of the kid by telling horror stories about some of the places he could go if he doesn't straighten up. You can't tell me that's "just trying to help." Give me a break! And yeah, it beats long-term placement, but I get the feeling that this is only Step 1 in the sceme of things.
People who hear this guy's gimmick and don't think it's friggin' creepy and stupid have their heads stuck up somewhere.
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On 2005-05-04 15:59:00, The Liger wrote:
Here is someone trying to help kids, and all you guys can do is tear it apart and look for wrong.
Ever see a politician who didn't claim to be trying to save the children? You believe everything they say?
Necessity is the excuse for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of the tyrant and the creed of the slave.
-- William Pitt, 1763
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What's wrong with hiring a stranger with no qualifications to steal your kid for a weekend? Geesh, it's not as if he's going to kill them. You know how many kids get killed? You should count your lucky stars your not dead. We should thank the programs for providing our society with a place to help us troubled teens. Damnit, you all just don't understand. WE NEED to be treated like shit before we'll straighten up and fly right. Maturity does not come with age, knowledge and experience. It comes with brutal emotional reprogramming. WHy can't you get it?
Email me if you want info on WWASP, I went there and I turned out great. Im rich! ching ching $$
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That is the biggest bullshit I've ever heard in my life. Maturity comes with brutal emotional reprogramming...?! Tell me you are joking. I'm still trying to hold on to the belief that people can not possibly be this stupid.
Please, PLEASE do the world a favor and get sterilized.
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These guys are completely fucking nuts.
Maybe SIBS is real, after all!
rtp2k3
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Wait a minute...this is like the Sue Scheff thing isn't it...? Damnit! Fell for it again!
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Liger that wasn't me. I have a normal "u" in my name. Cute of the little ass that's impersonating me though. By the way impersonator? Are you having fun? Do you have nothing better to do with your time? :tup: keep up the comedy.
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On 2005-05-04 10:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That's really sad T, but it sounds like you would have done well in a program, afterall you didn't need shoes or much food and water!"
Heh. Well, first, I would have taken my shoes with me, of course.
Second, finding water is easy, and if you take a tiny bottle filled with bleach along, your water will taste awful, but the only sickness you'll have to worry about is giardia.
Third, a whole lot of the plants you see are edible--you just have to know which ones (I did), and you can *temporarily* go without food for a fair while. Something I didn't know at the time, but do now, is how easy it is to set snares (made from just what you find) for small game. Squirrels are incredibly curious, so easy to trap.
Most of the times people have starved in history, everyone around them had already eaten up those easy food sources, and the hard ones, too. Modern people walk past loads of perfectly edible food everyday without recognizing it as food.
Not saying I would have wanted to live like that for an extended period. Just saying it would have been enough for me to leave home and walk to a major city. You can make about twenty miles a day and still have time to fill your water bottles, forage, and make a rudimentary lean-to for the night.
The difference between that and a program is having some goon or goons standing over you trying to muck with your head while you're doing it *or* stuffing rocks in your pack.
And, of course, hiking in places with limited water (where I grew up, it was pretty wet) it would be *much* harder to do that if you even could. Which would *also*--wet or dry area--be made worse by some goon standing over you and not letting you refill your water bags from available water sources even if you *had* water purification tabs that would also kill giardia (let alone simple chlorine bleach).
Idiot goons who play god with a hiker's water (or electrolytes) are deadly dangerous.
Solo survival hiking is also deadly dangerous. I'd have to have been in fear of my life to have even considered trying it.
But for better or worse, not many people have my personality type. One of the benefits of being something of a loner is you can make and stick to your own decisions without a lot of social support---or in the face of a lot of social opposition. It has its drawbacks, too, but that's one of the benefits.
But no, I would have died in a program. In my teens I was severely mentally ill, undiagnosed, and untreated--and often a hair's-breadth away from suicide. It's just luck I survived at all. Being alone in the woods wouldn't have bothered me--I spent half my time out there anyway and found it soothing. Being in a program would have pushed me over the edge inside a week--and you can't stop someone who's truly intent on suicide (short of, among other things, pulling all their teeth).
But there are kids all over the country who run every year and make it to a major city and never go home---so obviously there are other ways of doing it successfully than the one I would have chosen.
Timoclea
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On 2005-05-05 00:26:00, Perrigaud wrote:
"Liger that wasn't me. I have a normal "u" in my name. Cute of the little ass that's impersonating me though. By the way impersonator? Are you having fun? Do you have nothing better to do with your time? :tup: keep up the comedy."
Yeah, apparently I'm really gullible. I fall for it every time.
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Don't feel bad, Liger. Take a look at the "My Boy at Thayer" thread. The Perrigaüd troll probably didn't take too many ppl who have paid attention to what Perrigaud has to say. But they did a damned fine impersonation of your typical Program troll.
Faith, as well intentioned as it may be, must be built on facts, not fiction- faith in fiction is a damnable false hope.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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Tony Pallotto is president of TAPS??? He probably created that organization and made himself president, for the express purpose of impressing potential clientele. And, of course, as previously mentioned, to give weight (however false) to his subsequent recommendation that the teenager be admitted to a long-term residential facility, a referral that will pay him handsomely.
Just because someone has "credentials" and a long list of organizations they've belonged to or books they've written does NOT make them a real expert on anything. A person and his work need to be "peer reviewed", i.e., reviewed by colleagues in their OWN professional field, in order to be viewed as real experts.
Miller Newton was a "doctor", but he was actually a guy who got a Ph.D. in urban anthropology from Union College by correspondence. How they called that a Ph.D. is beyond me, but things like this happen until folks catch on. Unfortunately, the parents at Straight didn't read past the name "Doctor Newton" and thought that meant that he was a medical doctor or at least a highly respected Ph.D. in psychology.
To me, Tony Pallotto's "credentials" are fluff, and I pity the child of any parent sufficiently lacking in brains to hire this thug to kidnap him or her. It is kidnapping by proxy!!
I cannot imagine a pediatrician recommending this sort of abduction of children. Parents, if in doubt, should check with their child's physician.
I am so disgusted that so many adults in our country have such appalling disregard for the well-being of children and young adults. I think the U.S. should really look at itself in comparison to other Western, civilized nations. Children are our future, and they are important and have a right to a decent, loving upbringing. When will the laws of our country reflect this?
SD
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Well said, SD!
(And thanks, Ginger.)
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Antigen,
You really think that the troll did a good job? Do you really think I am that programized? Just wondering.
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On 2005-05-06 01:32:00, Perrigaud wrote:
"Antigen,
You really think that the troll did a good job? Do you really think I am that programized? Just wondering. "
Hey, she said he/she did a good job *of imitating a program troll*.
As far as imitating you personally, I thought it was mean.
I said "not nice" at the time, but I really meant mean and nasty.
Nobody deserves that.
Timoclea
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On 2005-05-06 01:32:00, Perrigaud wrote:
" Do you really think I am that programized? "
I know you're that programized
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Just a classic setup - It's expensive, so it has to be good. Oh, and by the way, if we can't fix your kid in 3 days, I have several places I can refer him to.
Honestly speaking, though, if I was put into the "facility" I was sent to for only three days, it would have fixed my wagon. A warning shot across my bow probably would have done more good (and less damage) than the 9 months and $100k that ended up going to brainwash me in a "therapedic, millieu community".
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This just goes to show how lucrative this industry is and how poorly regulated. People should not be allowed to pay others to physically and emotionally abuse their teenagers.
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
--John Adams, U.S. President
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On 2005-05-06 01:32:00, Perrigaud wrote:
"Antigen,
You really think that the troll did a good job? Do you really think I am that programized? Just wondering. "
Timo's right. I didn't think it was you (even if I hadn't noticed the special character) But it certainly was a very good imitation of your typical program supporter.
Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it can do something to the people
Thomas Jefferson.