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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 27, 2005, 10:22:00 PM
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Hello everyone. I am here to answer any of your questions. Just please don't call me rude names and use vulgar language. I won't either. Antigen-should I get a username?
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Tori,
With all the money parents pay the Sudweeks:
Why on the trip to Mexico did kids have big arguments because of "who slept on top of the bus and who slept UNDER the bus." PLEASE do not bother denying this...it is a fact. I am asking WHY -- since the parents pay SO MUCH MONEY, and the trip was PLANNED WELL IN ADVANCE...why no hotel/motel accommodations?
Know you were not on this trip....but WHY?
Why the constant meals of: cereal and hot dogs on this trip?
What was RIGHT about "sneaking" kids into a all-inclulsive resort? Know the Sudweeks sort of "paid, bribed a worker at the hotel" But all inclusive resorts in Mexico REQUIRE guests to be registered at the hotel...NOT paying some hotel worker under the table.
What kind of example do you feel all this is setting for a bunch of teenagers?
Thank you for replying---and NOT DENYING.... ALL THIS DID IN FACT HAPPEN.
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Sleeping "under the bus" does not literally mean "sleeping under the bus." The bus is split into two levels, loft-style like. I actually prefer the bottom because its split into beds and is always dark.
~~ chris
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a blast from the past.............LOL...............saving grace........chase the facts from this place..glory to TORI
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"SleePing under the bus" means sleeping on the ground UNDER the bus. Give me a break!
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tori, heard you were joing the Marines???
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What do you know about Mark being a "peeker?" Does he really enjoy "peeking at the girls?"
Guess if his alternative is looking at his ugly-ass wife--"peeking at little girls" probably does entertain him....but that is sick, really sick! Doesn't that scare you, Tori?
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How come Cheryl's letting you post here, Tori after all's been so quiet from the Whitmore?
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Know the Suds aren't above breaking the law now and then, but isn't "being a Peeking-Tom" against the law? Maybe you could research that Tori.
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On 2005-04-27 19:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hello everyone. I am here to answer any of your questions. Just please don't call me rude names and use vulgar language. I won't either. Antigen-should I get a username? "
Sure, get a username. Makes it easier to have a conversation.Every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid. To deny this, would be to affirm, that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers, may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid."
--Alexander Hamilton
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How many students are graduating this May?
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Chris- regarding the bus--split into two levels, loft style like. Is this the red bus? about the size of a city transit bus??
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Okay let's see...Sleeping "under the bus" really does mean the bottom part- not on the ground. Instead of uncomfortable bus seats they've put up a loft to make more room to stretch out both underneathe and on top. The top is fun because you can see out all of the windows. Usually the boys will ask if they can be underneathe because they can just lounge around more.
As for mark "peeking" I don't know why someone would press that rumor. seriously, enough is enough. He has never "peeked" at anyone, nor will he ever. That's not his personality. I've never seen him lurking or even looking cross at anyone.
Parents do sacrifice a lot for their kids. Money, time, fear, the constant "not knowing" feeling. I have an immense amount of respect for parents. But the money goes into the costs of going on the trips. It's a lot of money for gas, for renting camp grounds, and even more to shop for food at costco and wal mart. Hot dogs and cereal? Heck that's what we ate at home anyway!
A lot of the group loves cereal any time of the day. As for going out- they save up for really nice places every once in a while.
The hotel in Mexico? I don't know anything about a resort or anything. I went home because my big brother had just got back from Iraq and he was visiting my parents in Florida. So I bought a ticket and surprised him. It was very special to see him.
If I missed anything feel free to repeat...sorry if I did.
*TORI*
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I see the question regarding how many kids are graduating in may. It's somewhere around 15+. It really depends on whether they stay sharp on their tests and make sure they keep up on getting enough "seat time" to earn the credit. A lot of them have worked so hard for graduating. It's important to get the diploma so that when they go home they don't need to stick themselves right back into their personal problems.
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Look on the topic "letting". Whoever asked me why Cheryl is letting me write- that's your answer I accidently clicked "post new topic" intead of "reply"...
*TORI*
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Hot dogs and cereal is "what we ate at home anyway." Tori, that is like your statement to KSL that what goes on at the Whitmore is like what goes on "in normal families."
MOST PEOPLE do not eat cereal and hot dogs day in and day out! If that is the daily diet that your mother feeds her family--then you are are not from a NORMAL FAMILY.
If the behaviors that have been repeated on this forum are what went on in your family--then by far, you were not raised in a NORMAL FAMILY.
Hate to repeat, BUT:
Normal families do not pit kids against other kids. Normal mothers do not curse and spit on their children. Normal families have regular meals, nutritious diets, do not withhold food as punishment, and have regular sleeping routines.
Normal parents do not abuse their children. Normal families value REAL EDUCATION. Normal families do not read private mail, and listen in on telephone conversations, and respect privacy. Normal parents do not time their child's bath. Normal families have linens on their bed. Normal homes are not rat-infested. Normal fathers do not handcuff their children.
NO Whitmore is NOT like a normal family, Tori.
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Or maybe when they graduate, they could come back and work at Whitmore just like you, huh?
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Why don't you ask Cheryl about sneaking the kids into the all-inclusive Mexioc resort--how this could affect teenagers who are suppose to be developing a sense of honesty and integrity. Ask her why she did something so dishonest, and trashy--when these kids' parents pay thousands of dollars per month, and the Sudweeks could have well afforded to pay for at LEAST ONE NIGHT in a nice hotel for these kids.
Could you ask, and then come back and try to explain this devious, outrageous behavior of Cheryl and Mark Sudweeks? Thanks.
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Well, Tori, let's figure it out. 4,000 times 40 equals 160,000 PER MONTH. Multiply that times 12 and you have almost $2 million per year. $4,000 per month can take care of a family of four or five very easily. That includes proper food, proper sleeping conditions, plumbing that works, clothing, school supplies, eating out once in a while, and yes, even trips. All that and more was part of the promised package. Sorry, Tori, but I really don't think you have enough years under your belt, nor do I think you have any idea of what it costs to take care of children. It is not up to you to answer for the Sudweeks. That is THEIR responsiblily. Contracts were made with them, not the kids at Whitmore.
I am at a complete loss as to why there is such an effort to make people feel sorry for the Sudweeks, as if they are doing things out of the kindness of their hearts. They are paid enormous amounts of money for services they claim they provide. They are not sacrificing anything. THEY ARE BEING PAID FOR DOING A JOB. There is only one problem, they are collecting money and really not doing the job. So the people paying them are the ones getting screwed, NOT THE SUDWEEKS.
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Tori, did you ask Mark if he is a PEEKER, or do you just assume that he is not one? You know PEEKERS usually are rather sneeky people, and don't TELL OTHER PEOPLE: "Oh, by the way, I really do like peeking on little girls."
If Mark does this, not saying he does---he probably would lie like a bandit if asked about it. So YOU don't really really know if Mark likes peeking or not, now do you, Tori?
You'd like to think he doesn't---but you have no way of really knowing what this man does. Everyone has their little secrets...and being a PEEKER could be Mark's.
So, you really can't speak for him.
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What is "seat time." How much do they have to have? Tori, do you have a high school diploma?
If so, where did you get it from?
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Tori, out of the about $2 million a year the Suds a pulling down a year scamming parents and not even educating or adequately feeding the kids there---HOW MUCH ARE THE SUDS PAYING YOU?
You say you are a counselor, you seem to be their "spokesperson" PR representative...
Do you have any idea what that position in the real world would pay?????
What do the Suds THINK YOU ARE WORTH?
Please don't tell me "they love you...and you are doing it for the kids."
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wow...I figure that you all are convinced that the Sudweeks are guilty of everything you have heard and have never seen before- or if you think you have then you're perspective is different than others.
I think of all of you as doing what anyone would do if they thought kids were in danger. I know for a fact that no one has been hurt and no one is in danger. The food is healthy and good- I never said they ate hot dogs and cereal day in and day out because they dont eat like that. Road trips are of course junkier- thats part of the fun. Unless you all bring canned vegetables every trip you have ever been on...I don't know.
I know for a fact that Mark doesn't "Peek". I know it just like you know that you aren't that kind of person. It's the same kind of truth.
This "millions" of dollars...Let's see...a mansion, a house, a new ridge lodge for teens, a new arena, 26 HEALTHY WELL FED WELL TREATED horses, 36 mouths to feed three times a day, a couple hundred dollars a few times a week just to go to provo, even more to salt lake city, hotels, campsites, four-wheelers, taxes, a hangar, two airplanes, a very large family, a lot of donating...hmmmm sounds like a lot to me. Or maybe I am just too young to understand the world around me.
I received my credits from Santa Susana High School in California, Simi Valley High School in California, and Landmark High School in Spanish Fork Utah, and the last few credits needed I received from Brigham Young University courses for seniors in high school as well as Utah Electronic High School. I'm sorry my life isn't one straight line where I went to one school for four years and got a diploma that way.
There are a lot of spiteful people in this world. No longer are we in the battle of man, we are in the battle of the hearts of man.
I'm blessed that I am not blind physically or logically. I'm blessed that I am not crippled that I may not touch one more life for the better using my own two hands. (figure of speech)
I am just a peer counselor. I am definately no PR for anyone. I have no big fat degree or any college experience yet- I have a heart. I have feelings, and I have personal experience with the hardships of being abused in all areas, adopted, put on sick medications, thrown in and out of mental hospitals, caught up with addictions, mutilation, hurtful friends, and not wanting a direction in life- being ungrateful for the breath I do have. No longer do I walk that path. I am not just going to go home and be a drone with a car and a cell phone working in sales and getting married. Nothing against those people, they are nice and a lot of them family and friends. Yet that is not for me. I came back because I want to go one step farther than society. I want show anyone that with honest relationships and step-by-step goals, higher will, and faith, they can go anywhere and be anyone they want to be. Guess where I learned all of this? That's right...you're favorites...Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks.
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I'd bet the mansion is probably paid for, considered a business, tax write-off for expenses related to it, including the feeding of the occupants and the animals, etc. Most grown children and their families support themselves. Lots of people have large families, larger than the Sudweeks. They only have two minor children.
Most "normal families" I know or know of don't own hangers and not one, but two airplanes.
Funny, about the animals being well-fed. Every single one I ever saw there, including cats and dogs, had their bones sticking out. Sorry, Tori, some things have been observed, not just hearsay. Another thing, do just some kids get three meals a day? Why do you think the ones that didn't are saying they didn't? Are they all making it up? Are you saying spitting in someone's face or calling kids ugly names is what loving families do? How about sheets that can't be used because they are Cheryl's "good sheets"?
Is there a reason kids just sleep in sleeping bags that are never washed. Normal family? Not anyone I know of. Can't put toilet paper in the toilets???? Normal?? Not any I know of. Endless meals of chicken cooked in a crockpot with water and bar-be-que sauce?? Spitting on other kid's food before giving it to them? Sleeping in a closet or in a bathroom as punishment? No, again. Making boys wear girl's clothes for days?? Guess what? No, again.
By the way, where did you get your diploma? Or do you have one? And which BYU did you take any kind of classes from? I know the one in Utah has no affilation with Whitmore at all -- no classes on-line or otherwise. And as far as I know, the only BYU is the one in Utah. So how exactly did you pull this off?
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Tori, Tori, Tori.
Of course you shouldn't want to go to college, secure an education, impart on a real career, aspire to greater things, when you can just embrace the cult you are in right now. What could be better? Blissful days and nights.
But how does all the terror fit into to all of this? The ravings of your mentor, as you watch children abused? OR is there some enjoyment in this that us mere mortals just do not comprehend?
You poor poor girl. Why doesn't your mother do something to get you help?
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And just when have the Whitmore kids flown about in Markie Boy's TWO planes?
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Is Cheryl Sudweeks a U.S. citizen or Canadian citizen?
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Tori,
hear, hear....well said!
::troll::
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to Gmom. I took Exploring Values and Drivers Ed. through BYU independent study. look it up smart one. And you never saw any animal with bones sticking out. I love animals and would shoot someone before letting them abuse any creature. Spitting in food? Gosh forbid! My little sister spit in my food when I visited her. She thought is was funny. I didnt, but I got over it. Bathroom and closet as punishment? HA! Just what would you do if you had to, by law, discipline a potential suicide and/or runaway? Or someone who hurts themselves and/or others? Bathroom? For how long? Oh please. that is NOTHING compared to a tiny cubicle in a mental hospital for three days getting shots in the butt.
And chicken in a crock pot? Maybe every once in while on a sunday. God forbid we eat taco salad or enchiladas, and rice, and hamburgers, and caesar salads, and baking our own loaves of bread, and we go out for pizza and shakes sometimes...HOW ABUSIVE IS THAT! NOT!
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Tori: What kind of a HOME LIFE do you come from?
Damn, now you say you have a little sister that spits in your food, and thinks it is funny? What the hell does your MOTHER do? This is crazy behavior in case you don't realize it. This is NOT how "normal families live!!!!"
And IF FOR ONE MINUTE you, Cheryl or ANYBODY believes that a potentially suicidal teenager is dealt with by locking them in a closet or bathroom....THEN ANY PARENT WHO HAS A KID AT WHITMORE, needs to get on a plane, or in a car and get thier kid the HELL OUT OF THAT PLACE RIGHT NOW!!!!
Wake up people. YOU HAVE YOUR CHILD IN A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION. READ THIS SHIT!
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Excuse me, smart one, but don't you tell me what I saw. I know what I saw. Almost every animal at Whitmore had bones sticking out. I bought food and fed a kitten that was so hungry that, when it started to eat, it ate so fast the food was coming out its nose. The kitten was STARVING. I saw a dog at the "farm" tied up and left there all day. I assume it is fed, but I was told the dog was left there because it would run in the street. That is abusive and cruel. So, young lady, do not even try to tell me what I saw with my own eyes. I appears to me you need to open yours a litte wider and see things for what they really are.
I don't know what kind of home life you have or had, but spitting in someone elses food is not OKAY. Locking a teenager in a closet who is threatening to kill themself is not OKAY. As far as I observed, there was no one at Whitmore qualified to deal with a child with the psychological problems you mentioned.
Again, the question to you is, do you have a high school diploma and if so from what school?
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who cares what TORI has to say.......she said it all..........WHITMORE ASYLUM is like any other normal home..............go home TORI.....................AMF
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AMF is right--Tori has nothing to add; IF it is even Tori posting. She has no earthly idea what Mark Sudweeks does as he creeps around. She defends Cheryl's actions, which are indefensible. She declares Mark and Cheryl as the "favorites." So asking her questions is a total waste of time--no truthful answers will be given. Should she go home? From her descriptions of that family-life there, who can say? Perhaps she needs to apply for a student loan, and go off to college somewhere---IF she can produce a valid High School Dipolma. IF NOT, she can do like most of the other former students, and just take the GED, and get on with her life. But she seems to like this cult-like existence.
But asking her questions---probably needs to just stop.
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TIDE is RIsing
Posted: 2005-04-28 16:05:00
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Hear Cheryl likes to act like a teeny-bopper with the Whitmore kids. Wouldn't it be fun for her to put on the boxing gloves with Rob and go a 'round with him? Just for entertainment? She thought it was funny watching gangland Rob box the heck outta Joey--why not a fun-filled 'round with her to start out the morning?
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ALANA........punk boxing JOEY...........you scum bag ..........you support the ASYLUM.................you weak sorry trash of human waste...........GO TORI.......
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I can't belive how brainwashed Tori is acting. I do not personally know her, but I know her kind. I might be that way, if I was still at Whitmore. Two days after I got there, Cheryl and Mark approached me about being a sort of 'peer mentor'. They said that I was way advanced, and I was made to tutor younger kids in math, among other studies. I, myself, signed up for class online through BYU. Cheryl and Mark had nothing to do with that. My mom threw a huge fit abuot me not getting any eduaction whatsoever while I had been there for two months or so. I signed up for an English class through BYU, on my parents dime, I am sure, and I could work on it whenever I wanted. The only peopel pushing me to work on it were my parents.
About suicidal kids, Tori; when I was there, we had a suicidal boy who cut himself. We, needless to say, had a huge group about it, where one boy slapped this kid (that had cut himself), hard. Cheryl basically laughed at his 'suicide attempt,' as it had been done with a piece of aluminum. No one watched him, or paid him anymore attention than normal. What do you have to say about that?
Another question: why do you feel the need to justify what the Sudweeks are doing through this forum? Nearly everyone here has negative views, based on personal experience at Whitmore, who are you to try and change those views? Don't you think if Cheryl cared so much, or thought these views were so wrong, SHE would do something about it?
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On 2005-04-28 22:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
HA! Just what would you do if you had to, by law, discipline a potential suicide and/or runaway?
Show me the law that requires (or even allows) unlicensed laymen to "discipline" a suicidal kid. Show me the psyche guidelines that recomend discipline as a proper treatment for suicide.
Little girl, you are being taken for a ride. I sincerly hope you and your mom understand that you're most likely back in the fold for the purpose of taking the fall for Tweek & Peek.
Life may have no meaning. Or even worse, it may have a meaning of which I disapprove.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
return undef() if /coercion/i;
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On 2005-04-28 20:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
I am not just going to go home and be a drone with a car and a cell phone working in sales and getting married. Nothing against those people, they are nice and a lot of them family and friends. Yet that is not for me. I came back because I want to go one step farther than society. I want show anyone that with honest relationships and step-by-step goals, higher will, and faith, they can go anywhere and be anyone they want to be. Guess where I learned all of this? That's right...you're favorites...Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks.
Far better to be a drone w/o a car or phone or enough income to leave if you choose?
(it's not a cult, it's not a cult, it's not a cult, it's not a cult. It's just a normal home, just like anybody's!)Vain are the thousand creeds that move men's hearts, unutterably vain, worthless as wither'd weeds.
--Emily Bronte
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I was just reading through a notebook, where I kept my journal while we were at Lake Powell. I totally forgot that we wenr skinny dipping while we were there, Cheryl included. It makes me sick, now to think of us doing that. It WAS dark out, even so, totally inappropriate. Girls and guys together, at a 'boarding school,' skinny dipping with the I don't know, dean, or 'head of school,' whatever Cheryl claims to be.
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On 2005-04-28 20:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
Unless you all bring canned vegetables every trip you have ever been on...I don't know.
When I used to take my own kids on trips I would make sure that they ate healthy. No I didn't pack vegetables for the trips but there are such modern conveniences as stores.
I know for a fact that Mark doesn't "Peek". I know it just like you know that you aren't that kind of person. It's the same kind of truth.
You are claiming to know Mark Sudweeks as closely and as intimately as I know myself? :???:
This "millions" of dollars...Let's see...a mansion, a house, a new ridge lodge for teens, a new arena, 26 HEALTHY WELL FED WELL TREATED horses, 36 mouths to feed three times a day, a couple hundred dollars a few times a week just to go to provo, even more to salt lake city, hotels, campsites, four-wheelers, taxes, a hangar, two airplanes, a very large family, a lot of donating...hmmmm sounds like a lot to me.
I'd like a little more detailed explanation as to how these planes fit into the kids education or counseling too.
Or maybe I am just too young to understand the world around me.
Me thinks you may be onto something m'dear!!
I'm sorry my life isn't one straight line where I went to one school for four years and got a diploma that way.
No one is faulting you for that, we're questioning the adademic value of Whitmore.
I am just a peer counselor.
What exactly does that entail? What is your job description?
An individual who should survive his physical death is beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls.
--Albert Einstein
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Couture- turn that book into the authorities.. COntact Gmom or Joyce Harris.
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On 2005-04-29 11:44:00, Couture wrote:
Girls and guys together, at a 'boarding school,' skinny dipping with the I don't know, dean, or 'head of school,' whatever Cheryl claims to be.
Shaw `nuff, just yer typical, normal, every-day family..... from Arkansas, maybe!Infidel: In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does.
--Ambrose Bierce
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Couture, during the "skinny dipping" did Cheryl-darling-want-to-be-one-of-the-teen-agers dare take off her scared undergarments for this mature, grown-up event? Who was she making over the most in her nude state, the boys or the girls?
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Now I'm the "collector of evidence?" I don't think so. That's not my JOB.
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Just kidding...I'll take the notebook,and give it to Detective Kimball.
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Hilton, Matthew Fenn P.C.
Address: P.O. Box 781
Springville, UT 84663-0781
Phone: (801) 489-1111
Fax: (801) 489-6000
EMAIL: hiltonlaw@hotmail.com
Tweaker and Peek er's attorney........watch as he gets a little to close..........money will blind you.............ooooppps
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Joey didn't conform to Chery's little GROUP THERAPY--so he was removed from the group by her DEMAND and beaten badly on several occasions...stomped, kicked, punched--hurt badly. Once sent to the "bunk room" to exercise, and beat when he stopped, for 3 straight hours.
Once he DARED to call home, was REALLY beaten badly at the boy's house in a cowardly way as Mark and Cheryl looked on...evil, evil, evil. Cheryl "helped Joey down the basement stairs," and laughed like a witch...and then continued her SICK GROUP LEADERSHIP SESSION. Other incidents, too. But this was some highlights of Joey's stay at Whitmore---but Joey endured, and he was brave in the face of torment and evilness of the Sudweeks' brutality.
WELL?.............RESPOND PUPPET....type a lie.................LOL
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Read on the internet Mr. Suds Lawyer is really really religious acting....but does like the $$$$...and does not like gay school teacher at all...mostly he does not like gay school teacher. Suds better keep that lying going with this guy and not get all honest and tell him all, he wouldn't approve at all.
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nobody with the whitmore is or ever was psychotic. even with the credentials to care for someone like that, there was no need because nobody is that sick that comes to the whitmore. youre so blind to the world teens live in today. in high school there are kids who threaten to kill themselves everyday and even more who threaten someone else's life. being in the bathroom? please it was like once before i was even in the whitmore and i heard that the kid talked to someone through the door and was let out really fast. besides that i was never there so i doubt it was even true. there are a lot of liars on this forum and i am not one of them. but obviously no one wants to here Good anymore so I don't really need to say much. obviously none of your views will ever change. as for my mom Alana, leave her out of this. my little sister is in lousiana with my biological mom who's nothing to brag about. i guess what i am hearing is all of your younger children are little saints who never pull pranks on their siblings. BS.
*tori*
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Joey didn't conform to Chery's little GROUP THERAPY--so he was removed from the group by her DEMAND and beaten badly on several occasions...stomped, kicked, punched--hurt badly. Once sent to the "bunk room" to exercise, and beat when he stopped, for 3 straight hours.
Once he DARED to call home, was REALLY beaten badly at the boy's house in a cowardly way as Mark and Cheryl looked on...evil, evil, evil. Cheryl "helped Joey down the basement stairs," and laughed like a witch...and then continued her SICK GROUP LEADERSHIP SESSION. Other incidents, too. But this was some highlights of Joey's stay at Whitmore---but Joey endured, and he was brave in the face of torment and evilness of the Sudweeks' brutality.
DEFEND THIS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<><><>
well.......spin this TORI........
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Leah remembers the skinny dipping, too. I mentioned it to her after I read it here. If you can, write a statement about different things you remember -- abuse you witnessed, for example, what happened to Lindsey K. when she came back to the Whitmore. Also, things like the skinny dipping. I know the police department in Nephi would be very happy to get as many statements as they can from former students. Put in as many details as you can remember.
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Tori, what part of "spiting in food" is NOT NORMAL and is NOT A PRANK and is NOT ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR do you not get? It is just acceptable in any form in normal society, OK? Please stop trying to explain it away.
No normal high school would accept a teenager express suicidal wishes aloud either. A student, teacher, counselor would get help for the child. That is how NORMAL schools operate. NOT BY LOCKING THEM IN A BATHROOM.
If by any stretch you actually are finding any of these behaviors OK in your mind--then everyone reading your posts is sincerely worrried about you, and I say that with great sincerity.
You are not in a prison--and you can walk away from there, before you find yourself taking the blame for things you most probably are not responsible for.
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Joey didn't conform to Chery's little GROUP THERAPY--so he was removed from the group by her DEMAND and beaten badly on several occasions...stomped, kicked, punched--hurt badly. Once sent to the "bunk room" to exercise, and beat when he stopped, for 3 straight hours.
Once he DARED to call home, was REALLY beaten badly at the boy's house in a cowardly way as Mark and Cheryl looked on...evil, evil, evil. Cheryl "helped Joey down the basement stairs," and laughed like a witch...and then continued her SICK GROUP LEADERSHIP SESSION. Other incidents, too. But this was some highlights of Joey's stay at Whitmore---but Joey endured, and he was brave in the face of torment and evilness of the Sudweeks' brutality.
DEFEND THIS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<><><>
Love to see you respond to this!!!.....
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Hear Cheryl likes to act like a teeny-bopper with the Whitmore kids. Wouldn't it be fun for her to put on the boxing gloves with Rob and go a 'round with him? Just for entertainment? She thought it was funny watching gangland Rob box the heck outta Joey--why not a fun-filled 'round with her to start out the morning?
ALANA...........JUST THE FACTS
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But Tori, just yesterday you were defending the practice of locking kids in isolation
HA! Just what would you do if you had to, by law, discipline a potential suicide and/or runaway? Or someone who hurts themselves and/or others? Bathroom? For how long? Oh please.
Was that you or was that someone else at the Whit speaking for you?
On 2005-04-29 18:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
please it was like once before i was even in the whitmore and i heard that the kid talked to someone through the door and was let out really fast. besides that i was never there so i doubt it was even true.
Well which is it? Do you believe the kid was locked in, talking to someone through the door and let out pretty quickly? Or do you believe it was all just made up out of whole cloth? Or are you just having a difficult time reconciling your own perceptions w/ the concept of Tweek & Peek as guileless, noble martyrs?
Cognitive dissonance is not really a healthy step toward recovery. It's that feeling you get when things just don't add up and it's a gut level indication that something is very, very wrong. You should follow your gut.
The inspiration of the Bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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Troubled Teen Home Investigated for Abuse
Nov. 30, 2004
Samantha Hayes Reporting
It's often a last resort for some parents. But a facility for troubled teens is under investigation tonight after strong allegations from one boy.
Carol Sisco, Child and Family Services: ?Our licensing office notified them that we intend to revoke their license.?
The state's decision to pull the license follows a teenage boy's claims he was verbally and physically abused. KSL talked with many of the same children interviewed by child and family services in their investigation, children who have come from all over the country to get help.
Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks own and operate the boarding school for 27 teenagers and a separate residential treatment facility for 12 boys.
Mark Sudweeks, Owner Whitmore Academy: ?It?s not working at home and we feel we have a solution that can help kids turn their lives around.?
A teenage boy who was in the therapy group accused Whitmore Academy of abuse.
Carol Sisco: ?Allegations are of verbal abuse, physical abuse, lack of supervision, bad sanitation, sub-standard food.?
Victoria Degarmo, Counselor: ?There is no verbal abuse. What goes on here is nothing that doesn?t go on in a family home.?
The state and local police interviewed the teenagers in both programs to find out if the accusations were true.
Carol Sisco: ?We are still looking at it and we have the health department looking at it too.?
But the treatment facility's license is already being revoked.
Chris Gentile, Enrolled at Whitmore Academy: ?One of the things I love about this place is that I used to have the worst relationship with my parents and now I feel like I can tell them anything.?
Hannah Ruisi, Enrolled at Whitmore Academy: ?They helped me believe in myself and discover who I was.?
The boarding school is not regulated by the state, and children in that program live in Whitmore Mansion. But Sudweeks says they interact with those in the treatment facility; that is another concern for state investigators. The teenage boy who made the allegations was pulled our of Whitmore Academy.
During the investigation, three others were removed by their parents.
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Victoria Degarmo, Counselor: ?There is no verbal abuse. What goes on here is nothing that doesn?t go on in a family home.?
Victoria Degarmo, Counselor: ?There is no verbal abuse. What goes on here is nothing that doesn?t go on in a family home.?
Victoria Degarmo, Counselor: ?There is no verbal abuse. What goes on here is nothing that doesn?t go on in a family home.?
Victoria Degarmo, Counselor: ?There is no verbal abuse. What goes on here is nothing that doesn?t go on in a family home.?
Victoria Degarmo, Counselor: ?There is no verbal abuse. What goes on here is nothing that doesn?t go on in a family home.?
Victoria Degarmo, Counselor: ?There is no verbal abuse. What goes on here is nothing that doesn?t go on in a family home.?
LOL......TALK TO TORI..........YA....SHE'LL SET YOU RIGHT..........SHE WAS THERE IN NOVEMBER 04................JUST WHAT GOES ON.......................NOBODY BEAT UP JOEY.......HE BIT THE HAND THAT FEEDS HIM..............HIS PARENTS SUPPORT THE SUDWEEKS.................LOL
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Come on, skinny dipping is pretty lame compared to what your daughters and GRAND DAUGHTERS have done...
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We are not talking about what DAUGHTERS and GRANDAUGHTERS have done or not done.
The issue here is a grown woman--Cheryl Sudweeks who is SUPPOSE to be in charge of a group of trouble teenagers swimming naked with these teens.
This is a woman who says she practices the MORMON religion...and I do not think this CHURCH would approve of one of its MEMBERS who serves in the "role of a teacher, and head of a school" swimming in the nude with the students of this school.
It is one thing for Cheryl Sudweeks to "dance around in her little SACRED UNDERGARMENTS in front of these teenage boys and girls," but to swim naked with them is a bit too much!
And it is a bit too much for this so-called CHRISTIAN woman to discuss her inadequate sex life with her pitiful husband with these teenagers, too.
Cheryl Sudweeks' behavior is unacceptable, if not criminal.
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OUR DAUGHTERS AND GRANDDAUGHTERS WERE CHILDREN in the so-called PROFESSION CARE fo the Sudweeks in
so-called SCHOOL, which offered so-call THERAPY.
What teacher, counselor, principal, or therapist
do you know who swims naked with the kids enrolled in their school or under their care?
When an adult in that situation appears naked for any reason in front of minors in their care, it is plain and simple -- AGAINST THE LAW!! No question or discussion about it. USE YOUR HEADS -- THINK!!!!!!
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I can back up what Tori's saying about the bus. Whoever replied and said that sleeping "under the bus" meant sleeping on the ground under the bus was very much mistaken. Tori's absolutely right, the bus is split into two levels, the guys prefer the bottom and the girls would usually end up on top. I never saw Mark "peeping" either. This is not a blind faith defense of the Whitmore, I have plenty of bones to pick with them-but facts are facts. When I left there was no red bus. There was a Setra (the one separated into two levels) that was about the size of a city bus, there was an older one about the same size that we didn't use as much, we took it places that were closer by (sand dunes, the ridge etc. ) not really on long road trips. We had also purchased a really nice bus in Oklahoma City (smaller than the other two) it had a flag graphic across the side, tv's above the seats, sound system, about 15 swiveling leather captains chairs and the best a/c in the world. Sorry for the in depth inventory of the Sudweeks large vehicles, but maybe this will prevent unnecessary questions. Again, this isn't about simply defending the Whitmore, Tori is just plain right about this one.
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Ok the problem is you kids need to stop MINIMIZING AND JUSTIFYING EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS AT THE SHITMORE. HOW THE HELL ARE YOU GANNA COMPARE KIDS WHO EVIDENTALLY HAVE ISSUES ( WHY ELSE WOULD THEY BE IN AN RTC) TO OWNERS OF AN RTC WHO CLAIM TO BE THERPEAUTIC AND THIS AND THAT, SO THERE ARE DIFFRENT EXPECTATIONS FOR THE BOTH. KIDS WITH ISSUES ARE EXPECTED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, THE SUDWEEKS ARE NOT. JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE HUMAN, THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT FOR THE SICK SICK SICK DEMENTED TWISTED SHIT THAT THOSE SCUMFUCKS DO OK. WHEN YOU TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OWNING A FUCKING RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTER YOU BETTER HAVE THE WORK ETHIC DOWN TO A TEE TO COME ALONG WITH IT, THEY ARE SURE NOT EXPECTED TO DO ANYTHING THAT SHOULD BE COMPARED TO A TROUBLED TEEN. CLEAR YOUR BRAINWASHED FUCKING HEADS AND TAKE A CLEAR LOOK AT THE PICTURE HERE. THE PROBLEM IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE STATING OPINIONS AND NOT FACTS, LIKE TORI FOR EXAMPLE, NOTHING AGAINST TORI I HAPPEN TO REALLY LIEK THE GIRL I WAS IN THE WHITMORE WITH HER, BUT I DISAGREE HIGHLY AND SHE IS LOOKIGN AT OPINIONS AND NOT FACTS, BEING BLINDLY OPTIMISTIC AND NOT REALISTIC, TAKING A STEP ABCK AND TAKING A REAL LOOK AT WHATS REALLY GOING ON. DID THAT MAKE SENSE? UNDERSTAND ?
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After reading the entire 6 pages of this topic I've decided that some things really need to be addressed. Tori is NOT a bad person. I was doing the same thing when I was in her position. I would defend them to the death. I witheld information, sugar-coated everything...It's just what you have to do. Tori is such a intelligent and gifted person and that's what makes her current situation so unfortunate. She had never had the oppurtunity to be a leader before she came there. She was always pushed down, forgotten, and abandoned. Cheryl told her exactly what she'd always wanted to hear. She was needed, she was important, she could do big things. Unfortunately, she used this desire in Tori for her own personal gain. Tori developed confidence, but it's a false confidence. The only reason I'm saying any of this is because I KNOW TORI. Yes, the things she is defending are inexcusable, but she has been brainwashed! I'm taking time to defend Tori because I also know the person she COULD be. She is so gifted and it hurts me to see her being so manipulated and twisted by someone. I'm not saying that the same thing isn't happening to the rest of the kids, it is. But since Tori is the most outspoken she gets most of the flak. I'm not saying you should agree with or condone her opinions or actions. But please keep in mind that she's still young. She's been living with these people for almost 2 years and you've heard from Joyce what they could do to her own daughter in only 2 months. Please keep this in mind as you talk about her. She needs your prayers, all those kids do. They've been given so much hate since being there that they don't need any from us. Tori's obviously a very loyal person and got a good heart, but she's been severly misled.
Like everyone else who went to the Whitmore or helped to send somebody there, they had no idea what they were walking into. We're all human, not omniscient.
-Peace
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"Tha truth", you my dear are very CORRECT. I totally agree with you 100% ! I just don't understand why Alana is allowing this shit to happen... Tori I want you to know that i fucking love you to pieces... It upsets me to see that these people are playing with your head like you're some kind of a fucking puppet or something. You're very special and beautiful, you could be something HUGE in this world, but these people brainwashed you and manipulated the shit out of you to be selfish and use you to benefit themselves not you. Karmas will do it's job...
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Thanks, Tha Truth. It is important to not be sidetracked by inconsequential issues. And the bus sleeping arrangements certainly are just that!
Is uniformity [of opinion] attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
Thomas Jefferson
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On 2005-04-30 21:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Come on, skinny dipping is pretty lame compared to what your daughters and GRAND DAUGHTERS have done..."
So then, is it fair to say that Whitmore parents could save a whole lot of money and get the same results by just not shipping their kids off in the first place?
The bible teaches that woman brought sin and death into the world, that she precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced. Marriage for her was to be a condition of bondage, maternity a period of suffering and anguish, and in silence and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all her material wants, and for all the information she might desire...Here is the Bible position of woman briefly summed up.
--Elizabeth Cady-Stanton
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Well, ya....to a large degree.....TORI is blind.........but when does her responsibility start.........she saw the assault.......not for her to speak up.......BUNK.........she speaks out that JOEY was not assualted..........she is a sell out for her personal favor with CHERYL.......is that what your saying..........come on............TORI has responsibility NOW..............AMF
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Joey didn't conform to Chery's little GROUP THERAPY--so he was removed from the group by her DEMAND and beaten badly on several occasions...stomped, kicked, punched--hurt badly. Once sent to the "bunk room" to exercise, and beat when he stopped, for 3 straight hours.
Once he DARED to call home, was REALLY beaten badly at the boy's house in a cowardly way as Mark and Cheryl looked on...evil, evil, evil. Cheryl "helped Joey down the basement stairs," and laughed like a witch...and then continued her SICK GROUP LEADERSHIP SESSION. Other incidents, too. But this was some highlights of Joey's stay at Whitmore---but Joey endured, and he was brave in the face of torment and evilness of the Sudweeks' brutality.
GET REAL TORI....SHOW US YOUR A STRONG WONDERFUL GIRL.......PUPPET OR FREE.......MAKE A CHOICE.........LOL
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Anonymous if you are making a plea for Tori to get real, speak up for Joey, and to be stong as she makes a choice; why follow that with LOL? That is rather offensive.
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Yes Tha Truth, Tori may be brainwashed, and under Cheryl's control. Sure she may be a bright, good young girl at heart, who is basking in Cheryl's attention. But while under Cheryl's control at the Whitmore, it must be remembered that Tori is contributing to the damage being done to kids there right now! And Tori's denial of Joey's abuse, and the abuse of others does nothing but support the Sudweeks' past and continued abuses. And Tori's support helps to negate students'allegations, and that is exactly what the Sudweeks need and use her for. Should you come forward with YOUR NAME, the Sudweeks would use Tori to disclose ever confidential and bad deed you have ever done to negate anything negative you have to say about Whitmore---THAT IS THEIR GAME!
Do I feel sorry for Tori? Of course. But, as long as she remains in the Sudweek camp, any sympathy for her can not override support for the children who have been abused, and who have the right to be believed and who have the right to see the Sudweeks answer to authorities.
Tori's mother works in the legal field, and it is this mother's responsibility to remove this young girl from this situation before she sees the Sudweeks use her daughter an further.
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you sound crazy i know tory and she has alot on the ball and maybe she post to clarify lies mary gentile
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you sound crazy i know tory and she has alot on the ball and maybe she post to clarify lies mary gentile
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you sound crazy i know tory and she has alot on the ball and maybe she post to clarify lies mary gentile
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What LIES is Tori trying to clarify?
Whatever are you talking about?
You are making no sense whatsoever!