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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Tha Truth on April 11, 2005, 10:14:00 PM
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I don't look at this site often and I post even less frequently...but I felt the need to today.
I just need to get a few things straight for the people who were never at the Whitmore. Kids who are there will do anything (and I mean ANYTHING) to impress Cheryl and stay on her good side. Believe it or not about 90% of the posts made in the defense of the Whitmore are made by students there, not Cheryl herself. It's like proof of loyalty. I remember one afternoon we a few students, Cheryl, and I were sitting in the pool room. This was only a few days after Cheryl's discovery of this site and the forum devoted to her program. She had been frantically calling ex-students trying to find out who had been posting these things. After that she came to a few of the current students and asked us to start posting "the truth" about our program. Of course that meant discrediting anything negative that was being said. Because of the lies I was asked to post then, I have decided to redeem myself by posting the REAL truth. I covered for the Sudweeks many times when I was there and I did many things for Cheryl's approval that I will regret for a long, long time. If anyone has any questions or doubts, please feel free to PM me at any time. I would love to help out. I feel like people are being lead in too many different directions by all the lies and mendacity polluting much of this site. PLEASE ASK ME... I CAN TELL YOU
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Can you tell us about the food? About therapy? About group? about School? About sneaking kids in places without paying? About calling kids names?
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What reasoning did Cheryl Sudweeks give you kids for not posting HERSELF? Why does she depend on kids to speak for her? Why not post herself and defend Whitmore for herself? She is the owner of this "school" after all. How would you kids know "the history of former students you had never met?" Would she merely sit there and give you a RUN-DOWN of their private, confidential histories, so you kids would know what "dirt" to post? How did this work?
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When were you enrolled at Whitmore?
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What's the Whitmore like for a newcomer? I understand they take involuntary placements, sometimes by escort. But they don't have the same kind of lock-down, physical security that many other programs do. I think I understand a bit about the process by which kids go from resistant to complicit. And, believe me, I don't think any of you should waste a day being ashamed about it. I do think it would be worthwhile to explain it, though; both for the benefit of ppl who have no idea how that happens and for those of us who may have an inkling but would apreciate more insight.
Thanks,If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
--Thomas Paine
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From reading the various posts: There seems to be "three types of kids sent to Whitmore" Those kids whose parents THOUGHT they were sending their kid to a nice boarding school for academic purposes etc etc... and Those kids whose parents THOUGHT they were sending their kid to Whitmore to address serious behavior problems that required academics, along with therapy...and Those kids whose parenets KNEW their kids needed placement because they had drug, legal, juvenile delequency problems.
The Sudweeks most certainly DID NOT advertise Whitmore Academy as a "school" to address these various types of needs: How could the Sudweeks plan or even HOPE to mesh these three very distinct NEEDS into ONE PROGRAM?
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My guess? The same kind of pretzel logic that led them to believe that the kid in Canada was up to the task of wintering a herd of horses.
For the community to have 10% to 25% of its men unable to vote or unable to access credit or other privileges of citizenship for the rest of their lives in some states creates a permanently diminished
group within society.
Jeremy Travis, Urban Institute
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Because they did it before and got away with it. They did advertize as a youth treatment center at one time, had kids there and got away with it--this is why they think they are above the law- at least Utah law. They must be paying off the officials because no officials in their right mind would have let them get this far---- since the whistle was blown on them along time ago.
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But why? I mean, there are a lot of ways to get money, honesly or not. What would make someone think they're capable of fixing all kinds of problems in other people's kids?
"Narcotics have been systematically scapegoated and demonized. The idea that anyone can use drugs and escape a horrible fate is an anathema to these idiots. I predict that in the near future right-wingers will use drug hysteria as a pretext to set up an international police apparatus."
--William S. Burroughs
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I'm not certain that the Sudweeks' goal is to fix the problems of these children. I think the Sudweeks enjoy the power they have over not only the kids, but also the power they have over parents of these kids.
Yes, they con the parents out of thousands, and thousands of dollars a year--that's a fact.
But they derive their POWER through total control:
The Sudweeks control all communications-in and out of Whitmore. That is powerful--to be able to tell parents (who by all rights are paying the Suds) when and how they can talk to their own children.
The Sudweeks manipulate these kids, and turn the Sudweeks and Whitmore into THE FAMILY--and are rather successful at this. Just listen to the students on this site. That is powerful stuff we read here.
The Sudweeks break these kids down to the point that the kids will obey scary demands by the Sudweeks: Kids will beat up other kids--their own friends there, and humiliate each other.
Parents either accept this control and manipulation of their children, or deny that the Sudweeks behave in this manner.
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despair,..you ungrateful brat, sent here....they don't care.better share..GROUP....now you understand.survive....attack....you know my thoughts...desire....don't tire....no sleep.......nice sheets.....kicking feets...tweeks.dancing in her underwear...no thoughts of despair...........they don't care.......sit here...feel bare???................deprived.....no sleep..need to beat....got names.who betrays?...none whom stay......must be those gone other ways........AMF
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Conning parents out of thousands of dollars is a way of life in many of the Utah (and other states) programs for troubled teens.
Unfortunately, the same can be said for the ed consultants and program referral agents who also see troubled parents as a cash crop.
Bottom Line ... the for-profit teen help industry is driven by desperate, woefully naive parents but the ones who are really paying the price, are the children!
Shame on these misfit owners and operators and the snakeoil salesmen who sell abuse disguised as tough love.
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
BUYER BEWARE!
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distorted thoughts..misunderstood actions..honorable intentions.an ASYLUM filled with TENSION....she lives, loves, laughs.....filled with compassion....if not me??...all goes well....conforming patients..normal home.....no biting...misguiding....hands which feed.also direct the bleed.....we have needs....money and feed.......but HE, HE HE bit the hand that feeds..his duty is to bleed.....safety outside the ASYLUM....he has problems.......all kids complain....suck up the pain......the GROUP will find another ...weak,sick, too much sleep...........obiting families meet..greet...weep.......AMF
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stolen case,sacred lace, strewn clothing all about the place...steal, wheel......he's disappeared..no doubt his saving grace....phone calls from adjacent the ASYLUM halls...promises conveyed.lied to them all.......no more calls....insidious laughter throught the ASYLUM halls///as she dances before them all........in her underwear...disregard their calls.....AMF
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Anon: reference to the ed cons who make so much money referring children to these programs:
To any parents who sent their child to Whitmore:
Please post which educational consultant referred you to Whitmore Academy. Would be interested in knowing IF anyone besides Sue Scheff or one of her "volunteers" at P.U.R.E. ever referred "CLIENTS" to Whitmore Academy. I was told by Tim Lowe, the therapist at Whitmore, that 100% of the placements came through Sue Scheff.
Send a private message if you prefer.
Joyce
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In response to postings about the Sudweeks wearing their "sacred undergarments" in front of the students at Whitmore...posted here and on other threads:
Besides the basic fact that grown adults, in charge of students in a school atmosphere SHOULD NOT be parading around in their underwear----
IF these undergarments do have some fundamental, sacred meaning: Whatever would the Bishop, or someone in authority of the LDS (Mormon) Church think of members of their church displaying such a sacred symbol in such an inappropriate way?
If the Sudweeks can't find it within themselves to obey common-sense laws: indecency with a child by dancing, walking about in their underwear---one would THINK they would at least honor their religion, and respect something their church regards as a sacred symbol.
These people never cease to amaze me in the very poor public choices they make.
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hi this is a former student of the whitmore. I was there in 03-04. and i have been reading and following everything along and if anyone has any questions that they'd like to ask me, feel free.
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To the student there in 3-04:
How long were you at the Whitmore?
Who referred your parents there?
Did you witness any of the abuse discussed on this site?
Are you in contact with the Whitmore now? or any other former students?
What did you think about the "school, academics" at Whitmore
How are you doing at home now?
Welcome, and we look forward to hearing from you.
Perhaps you could give yourself a "Name.." and register, so we will know when you are posting.... you can register using any name...Like some other students have: WHITMORE ALUMNI...WHITMORE SHINING STARE, etc....it is just easier that way to know when you are posting.
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just wondering if any other former students know casey, lindsey, chelsea, logan, jenna,leah, hannah, :question: brian,pj,doug, matt, dave...etc...?????
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i was there for just under a year. Im not quite sure who reffered my parents there i've never asked. yes i witnessed alot of abuse. one incident that i remember quite well was with a girl named Lindsey. she had run away and stole cheryl's suburban and when she returned we had what seemed to be a never ending group. and alot of the kids hit her and called her names. and cheryl just watched. she didn't try to stop it or anything. no i haven't heard a word from them since the day i left. they were mad at me for leaving before my year was up and they said that i manipulated to go home, which was a lie, my family was just ready for me to return home. the academics, what academics?? we never did any school.the only thing we did was a book report that was due at the end of every week. and now i am suffering alot. I am behind and it is difficult for me to catch up. I am doing great at home. i am engaged and I live with my fiancee'. and i'm just glad to be away from there.
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Don't say a last name: But was it Lindsey K or Lindsey S who ran away and stole the car?
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Lindsey K. Is this a former student???
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Student of 3/04---were you ever the subject of one of Cheryl's group sessions?
Were you ever beat up, yourself?
Did you ever get to go on one of those "fun-filled" bus trips?
Did you tell your parents about the abuse you saw at Whitmore?
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no i was never the subject of one of her parades. and no i was never beat up. I was pretty much quiet there and just stayed to my self. oh yes i went on alot of those "fun filled" trips.and if one of the kids was ungrateful for the little room that they had on the bus then they would stick them in the bathroom with all of their stuff. yes i told my family but i wasn't gonna make that big of a deal about it since i was gone. and Leah and i didn't get along all that well but cheryl did call her a slut and a whore and all kinds of degrading names.
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Anonoymous Poster:
I have contact information on some of the former students you referred to. Send me a private message if you wish. Joyce
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i dont know how to send a private message but i'd like to talk to you.
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would you mind just talking here???
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do you have anymore questions that you would like for me to answer?? I would be happy to do so!! :smile:
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I just can not discuss any contact information publicly--I first get permission from the other students to give out their yahoo message or emails. But students like communicating.
To the left is the words: Private message...then just follow the instructions. But you do have to register: and you can use a made up name. I just choose to use my real name.
Are you in high school or college now?
Do you live at home?
How do you reconcile all the "religious stuff" from the Sudweeks with how they ACT: some students say they sneak kids into events, or into buffet lines etc.
How many kids were enrolled when you were there?
Were you in "Cheryl's good graces" when there?
Did your parents know your communications were monitored?
What did you think about the subliminals?
Was food ever withheld as punishment?
Were you aware of "the ledge"..."wearing the clothes"
Did you resent all the Mormon Religion being forced on the kids?
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I am in high school. no i dont live at home i live with my fiancee', I think all that mormon stuff is a load of crap that they force on you and if you don't go to church you get in alot of trouble. yes i was on cheryl's good side until i was going home a couple days before i was supposed to, most days, it just depended on what kind of mood she was in?? no they didn't know they had no idea we are not allowed to say that they are monitoring anything. and when ever they ask us how we are doing we have to say good or else... personally i thought that subliminals were stupid cause we had to wake up an extra half an hour earlyer to put them on. yes food was withheld, from those kids who were bad and would be put up on the "shelf". I thought it should be our own decision what religion to believe or not to.
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What sort of things would a kid have to do to be put on the "shelf?"
Did you think it was weird that Cheryl NEVER sleeps? Did you observe her taking lots of medications? Did she say WHY she was always popping pills?
Were you aware of this website when at Whitmore?
Do you resent your parents for sending you there?
Does being sent to Whitmore affect your relationship with your parents now, still?
Did you ever see Cheryl spit on a student?
Did you attend any classes away from Whitmore--at Landmark?
Were there any animals at Whitmore other than the horses---dogs, cats? How were they treated?
How often did the police come to Whitmore?
Why were they called?
Were you ever made to lie to the police for Mark or Cheryl?
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well to be put on the shelf you would pretty much just have to make cheryl mad.yes i did think that it was very strange that she never slept and that we had to suffer for it. yes she would take lots of pills but the kids that came there on medications that were prescribed to them by a doctor she would not allow them to take them. yes i was aware of the who am i discovery website because we had to post our book reports up there and the computer guy would work on it. no i don't resent my parents for sending me there. at the time it was the only option cause i couldn't live at home and my grandparents weren't ready for me, so it was kind of a temporary thing.it doesn't really affect anything with them because we don't talk anymore because i moved out and i'm engaged. yes cheryl spit on Leah while calling her all kinds of degrading names. no i didn't attend any school related classes while i was there, i had left before the kids wen't to landmark. we all attended classes at BYU for one week, but besides that no. about the animals... i was one of the most involved riders, and while i was there the horses were fed every morning and night and shoed when they needed.they had three dogs blackie, brownie and truffles.blackie ran away, brownie had puppies but they all died, and truffles got fun over by a car afew days before i left but she was bleeding pretty bad so i'm not sure if she died or not.i don't recall the police ever being called when i was there.
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Cheryl lies, hard on everyone, especially this one guy......hated him since the first day//promised his stay annoying as flies......mood swings of a swine///she has a good time....adjectives used to define..separate hurt,divide...conquer all the self proclaimed slime.......wham,bam,no ma am.....caned him...he's weak as a lost lamb.......hurt me,,who I am...same as a new born kangaroo I am........your a mean dancing fool.......soon to be assigned to jail bird school........AMF
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Do you recall Leah being "put on the shelf" and Cherly sending a certain girl in there to beat Leah up?
So punishment just more-or-less depended on Cheryl's MOODS, huh?
Did you know anything about how the classes for the week at BYU was "Paid For?" Did you hear anything about FORGED PASSES? Also heard you kids had to camp out there instead of Cheryl and Mark paying for dorm rooms or hotel rooms. Is that corrrect?
That is very dangerous behavior on Cheryl's part--taking kids off their meds without permission or direction of their doctors. Did you know a boy, Rob--understand when Cheryl takes him OFF HIS MEDS, and he goes into an anger rage, that he has some type of "fits" or seizures. If you knew Rob--did you ever hear him talking about his gang affiliations back home?
Wonder how Cheryl justifies medicating her own body--yet denies prescribed meds to students. Sort of twisted thinking-- don't you agree?
All these dying puppies, and injured dogs--were there not visits to the VET for these poor animals? Did you kids ask to take the dogs to an animal hospital?
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AMF's post sound like how our daughter reports Joey's first day when he was delivered to Lake Powell---Cheryl had instructed all the kids to make sure this young boy "knew this was going to be the worse year of his life."
The kids followed Cheryl's cruel directions to the "T"-- Cheryl started in on Joey the second he arrived, and never let up....But, she didn't get her full year in with this young man-
It certainly appears he wasn't to be broken, and he certainly "did not get the program."
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LEAH HAD ALOT WORSE TREATMENT THAN THE SHELF JUST THE WAS CHERYL TREATED HER NOT EVEN AN ANIMAL SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE. YES WHEN EVER CHERYL WOULD COME UP FROM THE BASEMENT EVERY MORNING EVERYONE WOULD BE WALKING ON EGG SHELS TILL WE KNEW WHAT MOOD SHE WAS IN.NO I DONT KNOW HOW THEY PAYED FOR THE BYU CLASSES.NO I WENT TWO YEARS AGO AND WHEN I WAS THERE WE STAYED IN DORMS.YES I KNEW ROB. HE HAD TALKED ABOUT BACK HOME ALOT DURING GROUP. I REMEMBER HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HIM BEING IN A GANG.(IM SORRY I CAN'T REMEMBER DETAILS IT'S BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF ALMOST SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE)OH I AGREE THAT ALMOST EVERYTHING SHE SAYS IS TWISTED THINKING, BUT WHEN YOU'RE THERE YOU CAN'T SAY THAT OR YOU WILL BE IN A WORLD OF TROUBLE. WELL ACCORDING TO THE SUDWEEKS IF YOUR SICK GOD WILL HEAL YOU OR YOU WILL BE SCRIPTED.AND THEY JUST NEVER TOOK ANY OF THE ANIMALS TO THE HOSPITAL. EVEN THOUGH THEY NEEDED IT.
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The posting in ALL CAPS--is this the same former student I was chatting with? The one home now living with the fiancee?
Wish you would register--with ANY Name you choose...just so we will know who is posting.
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Well, it's really too bad you kids (mine included) did not GET IT that we paid close to $4,000 per month to have you at what we THOUGHT was an accredited boarding school, that offered therapy with a professional therapist--and we had a SIGNED CONTRACT that said there would be "no physical punishment" AT ALL..and that the Sudweeks "would NOT accept any kids with a history of violence or any criminal records."
And we parents MOST CERTAINLY did not know that all communications with our kids were being monitored...or that you kids were being forced to participate in the Mormon religion. And, we certainly were conned into thinking the Suds loved all kids, and would never abuse anyone.
I know Cheryl denied kids medical care---but here is THAT WORD AGAIN---what do you mean "you'd be SCRIPTED." What would Cheryl actually do when she SCRIPTED someone. What was the process? Can you explain this?
Are you aware of the Animal Cruelty Trial that Mark Sudweeks lost up in Canada---he also lost the appeal. That is an interesting "read" to say the least. Tells you a WHOLE LOT about these people.
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yes i am the same former student. scripting... some times casey would doit. a girl who is there till she turns 18, cause she "loves mark and cheryl sooo much." sch would sit you down and have you repeat a page from a book after her. it sometimes was healing feelings from the heart or something like that.and then after that you were all better.if they did take you to the doctor they were sure to ship the bill strait to your parents. once a couple days after i got there i had strep throught and they took me to the hospital because i couldn't breathe, so they gave me some medication. i was only allowed to take it a couple of times before i was told that i was all better. i heard when i returned that the visit costed a couple hundred dollars.
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oh i am aware of the trial up in canada with the horses.But while your at the whitmore you hear a sob story from cheryl about how they came in and shot them. and let me give you the inside scoop on leah and her horse. I heard they are taking her to trial. LOL Leah had been one of the more involved riders also, and when she had mentioned that she had a horse back home cheryl had practically begged her to bring tezza (the horses name)up to utah.she said not to worry about hay or shoeing or anything. because trinity's (now ex but then current)husband (one of cheryl's daughters)was the one who shoed all the horses. so i think that thats a joke. Leah did do alot of things wrong but then again so did all of us.
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hey i registered so now you'll know who i am :question:
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On 2005-04-19 07:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"just wondering if any other former students know casey, lindsey, chelsea, logan, jenna,leah, hannah, :question: brian,pj,doug, matt, dave...etc...?????"
Yeah, I knew Casey, Pj, Doug, Matt, and Dave.
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I was one of the more involved riders there too. I have a horse here at home, and Cheryl did the same thing, wanted me to bring the horse out to Utah. We even discussed with my parents the idea of possibly buying another horse ou there, so i could train it and sell it before i went home.
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Yes, I got your private Message---but answered it before I realized who you were. Thanks for registering. Now we can keep up.
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Corture: be glad you didn't buy a horse and have it at Whitmore. Did you read about Casie's horse there at Whitmore? It died in Oct 2004...and OF COURSE the Whitmore bunch say Casie neglected it, etc etc. The horse died while the Sudweeks had the kids at Lake Powell for several weeks. Why it died? Don't know for sure. The question has been put to Mr. Fox at the SPCA.
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To the former student: writing about scripting and the horse story up in Canada. You are a different student than K. Davidson, right?
If so--could you register..use a MADE UP NAME if you like...examples of students here already posting are:
Whitmore Alumni...HOWBIZZARE..Mr.BEAN
That way--we OLDER PEOPLE won't be confused about who is posting. ok?
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So this "scripting" is something that can be learned, I gather.
If you haven't read the transcript of the horse trial in Canada--it is interesting; and you should at least scan it. If for no other reason, just to straighten out in your own mind the facts from the sob story you were told.
http://www.animaladvocates.com/ILLEGAL- ... dweeks.htm (http://www.animaladvocates.com/ILLEGAL-SEIZURES/Regina-v.Sudweeks.htm)
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Was it the Casie that I knew when I was there? Casie W.? If so, then why is she still there, after her horse died?? I am soooo glad I didn't take my horse over there. I love her to death, and would NEVER want anything to happen to her. I am so grateful that my parents were wise on that one.
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[ This Message was edited by: Joyce Harris on 2006-04-01 10:30 ]
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I was at the Whitmore 03-04 too. I'd really like to know who "Couture" and "K. Davidson" are. I got there in the summer of 2003 so I may not know you. One of you mentioned knowing Lindsey K. Can you please PM me? Again, if anyone else has questions, or if they think they may know me...you can do the same. Peace
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Send me a private message. I would like to talk with you.