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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 08, 2005, 01:25:00 PM
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Chris sutton was locked up in paradise cove for years. His parents had a court order to keep him there after he was 18 and they did.
Son Wanted In Connection With Mother's Death
Suspect In Custody Implicates Victim's Son
POSTED: 9:13 am EST March 29, 2005
CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- Police are looking for the 25-year-old son of a Coral Gables woman who was killed in August.
Christopher Patrick Sutton
On March 16, police arrested Garrett Kopp, 21, for the murder of Susan Sutton, but investigators now say Kopp gave police information linking Sutton's son, Christopher Patrick Sutton, to the death.
Images: Son Sought In Parents' Shootings
Susan Sutton was killed during a rampage at her home Aug. 22, 2004. Her husband, John, a prominent Coral Gables attorney, was shot in the head and left blind in both eyes.
"After the investigators spoke with Mr. Kopp, he gave him information that implicated the Sutton's son, Christopher Patrick Sutton, on the murder and attempted murder," said Nelda Fonticiella, with the Miami-Dade Police Department.
Police are looking for Sutton and a black 2003 Ford F-150 pickup truck with Florida license plate V99-YZP.
Though a warrant has been issued, police aren't saying how Sutton may be connected to the shootings.
"He is considered armed and dangerous," Fonticiella said. "We are asking anyone who sees him to contact Miami-Dade Police Department."
If you have information, call Crime Stoppers at (305) 471-TIPS.
Kopp remains in jail. He is charged with first-degree murder and attempted murder.
Previous Stories:
* March 18, 2005: Man Charged In August Shooting Of Attorney, Wife
* August 24, 2004: Woman Dies, Husband Critical After Coral Gables Shooting
here is link to story and photos
http://www.nbc6.net/news/4325898/detail.html (http://www.nbc6.net/news/4325898/detail.html)
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/ ... &cset=true (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/miami/sfl-dmurder29mar29,1,5569703.story?ctrack=1&cset=true)
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Paradise cove not mentioned?
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How does a parent get a court order to hold a kid in one of these programs past the age of 18? Don't they know these kids have the right, once they reach the age of majority, to contest any court order?
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A parent can get custodianship of their children past the age of 18 by court order. Parents usually do this when they feel the child isn't making the best decisions for themselves. How many children do you think are smart enough to hire an attorney to contest?
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I was there when I was seventeen and "played the game" I told everyone I wanted to stay past the age of 18 because "I wasnt ready" In actuality I knew that if I said I would leave when I was 18. My peers (other half brainwashed and completely brainwashed kids) would of sent me to level 1. My parents would of been notified and could of gotten a court order to keep me there. so I stayed an extra month or 2.
***Psychological Warfare***
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see picture on link, Its him, but hes gained alot of weight
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http://www.nbc6.net/slideshow/news/4295946/detail.html (http://www.nbc6.net/slideshow/news/4295946/detail.html)
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On 2005-04-08 13:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was there when I was seventeen and "played the game" I told everyone I wanted to stay past the age of 18 because "I wasnt ready" In actuality I knew that if I said I would leave when I was 18. My peers (other half brainwashed and completely brainwashed kids) would of sent me to level 1. My parents would of been notified and could of gotten a court order to keep me there. so I stayed an extra month or 2.
***Psychological Warfare***"
I got to SCL when I was 17 and did the same thing. I was threatened with a court order too... didn't realize this was standard practice.
Just another WWASP success story :roll:
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Was he taking psych drugs by chance? Anyone know?
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http://isaccorp.org/straight/KnownSuicides.pdf (http://isaccorp.org/straight/KnownSuicides.pdf)
Do you believe a child could be so upset with his parents for having placed him or her into a Straight that hecould kill them? How about former Straight - Dallas student Timothy Nixon? In 1990 he took a baseball batand beat his mother to death with it, spattering the walls and floor with her blood. He and his brother thenwiped up the blood from the floor and walls and placed her bludgeoned body in the trunk of her car and rodearound town asking his friends if they wanted to take a ride. He was planning the murder of his father whenhe was arrested. Timothy is now serving 99 years in a Texas prison.Credit Source: thestraights.com
Immortality: A toy which people cry for, And on their knees apply for, Dispute, contend and lie for, And if allowed Would be right proud Eternally to die for.
--Ambrose Bierce
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UPDATE: Chris Sutton Arrested
Gables murder suspect arrested
25-year-old was wanted in 2004 attack on his parents, police say.
By Brian Haas
Staff Writer
Posted April 9 2005
Miami-Dade police arrested a Coral Gables man Friday wanted since March in connection with the murder of his mother and the blinding of his father.
Detectives arrested Christopher Sutton, 25, on warrants of first-degree murder and attempted homicide in Miami.
His parents, John and Susan Sutton, were both shot in their Coral Gables home in August, during what police called an attempted robbery. Susan Sutton died in the attack. John Sutton, a prominent Miami-Dade County attorney, called 911 before collapsing into a coma for several months.
Police arrested Garrett Kopp, 21, in March in Homestead on a first-degree murder charge. Detective Randy Rossman with the Miami-Dade Police Department said Kopp is thought to have been the trigger man in the attack. During a confession, Kopp implicated Christopher Sutton, Rossman said.
Detectives put out a warrant March 26, but couldn't find Christopher Sutton. Police at the time thought he had fled the state.
Detectives got word Friday that Christopher Sutton was at a pay phone near 40th Street and 39th Avenue in Miami, Rossman said. Coral Gables and Miami-Dade police swarmed the area and arrested Sutton.
Rossman said he did not know what involvement Christopher Sutton had in the attack, but his arrest closes the case.
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It doesn't look like all that tough love helped him. Brutality begets brutality. These programs do extreme psychological harm.
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So true....
On 2005-04-15 09:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It doesn't look like all that tough love helped him. Brutality begets brutality. These programs do extreme psychological harm. "
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Every time I hear "Miami Dade police" I always picture Horatio and team from CSI Miami...not to get off topic.
I feel sorry for the kid. It's frustrating that we who feel for the kid are in the minority. Unfortunately, people will think putting him in the facility was justified. He turned out to be a killer, after all. People won't believe that one of these facilities could have turned him into a killer.
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Well, on the one hand, if he was horribly abused and psychologically damaged enough, he could make a choice like that and not realize what hes doing. However, you all went trough abusive programs and didnt kill your parents. I wonder if his Mom was just doing what she thought was best for her son. In that case she was murdered because she loved her son and ignorantly sent him somewhere abusive. She didnt abuse him. i wonder about hte whole story. If he was abused, did he tell her and she didnt believe him? Is he chemically imbalanced? I dont think it is ok to kill another human being unless your life is in jeapordy or unless your saving someone elses life. But to kill someone because of resentment? Is there more info on this case about the program that is involved? Does he blame the program for the crimes?
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not cuz some bullshit progam, because he is a black hearted fuck. Stab you in the back in a heartbeat we were really cool for a long time but that was over after he threatened me.One word people
INSURANCE!
[ This Message was edited by: a guy on 2005-04-24 03:02 ]
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weather or not he was abused,neglected,sent away. In fact he was put there because he was out of control, His parents took care of his ass.The boy had a silver spoon in his mouth ince adoption.The reason for all that is because he is a ruthless person. I have known him for about 5 years,we were real tight for about 2 years, and he was cool people, I hung out at his house all the time,I even hung out with his Mother god rest her soul and his father at (THE HOUSE)a few times. But he thought he was untouchable, he had his amature kids do the dirty work.(Fuckin gang that can't shoot straight) And the fact is, he wouldve gotten gotten away with it if he didnt send some unproffesional little rat. The fact is I am sure that if it had gone smooth. Chris would probrably have rubbed him out too. I got away from Sutton at the right time.(I got my fucking ass kicked by him and two other shitheads over a girl and protecting my friend) My point is and this will come up in court is that there was quite a big life insurance policy and thats all that needs to be said. P.S. I have no knowledge of the case itself but I know Chris and I know that anyone who would kill his own family blood or no blood is not worthy of life on this earth.
p.p.s. Clay if you read this I still owe you one ::stab:: [ This Message was edited by: a guy on 2005-04-24 05:33 ]
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Of course, it's unacceptable to kill anyone whether it be motivated by resentment, greed, abuse, neglect. I feel certain 'justice' will be served in this case, unlike the 90+ cases where kids were killed in programs due to abuse and neglect, and the killer walked free, some still running or working in programs. That is not justice. It is a double-standard.
Had those, now dead, children perceived that their lives were in jeopardy, would they be justified in killing their abusive/ neglectful 'care takers'? And would justice have prevailed if they had? I'm guessing not.
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Yes but his ruthlessness is not driven by his past issues. Its money! I know the kid!
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It was all premeditated
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***Yes but his ruthlessness is not driven by his past issues. Its money! I know the kid!
And do you have the 'professional' skill and ability to 'analyze' his psychological state?
There is obviously more going on than what appears on the surface, and your opinion. People in their 'right' mind do not kill, ever.
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***People in their 'right' mind do not kill, ever.
More correctly, People with a conscience do not kill. We are now facing a large part of a generation that is without a conscience. I have seen firsthand high school aged children (in and out of The Program) who very clearly do not have any concept of consequences and we must ask ourselves how we are to deal with these individuals?
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Look, this isn't the first time a kid graduated a Synanon based program and then went on to kill his parents. And I don't think it'll be the last time, either. It's more than coincidence. While the insurance policy may have been the major motive, you don't just kill your parents for money alone unless you're a total sociopath. Question is how did this kid become a sociaopath? Did the Program have something to do w/ it? I'm guessing it probably did. Sometimes the Program produces Herbalife scammers, other times serial wife beaters or women addicted to getting beat. Rarely does a kid come out of one of these programs really mentally healthy. Even those of us who keep our shit together pretty well have issues.
Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
-- Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins
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I consider people in their 'right' mind to have a 'conscience'- the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself.
While a killer may be conscious (aware) of what the consequences of their actions might be, I don't consider those who kill (or rape, or otherwise treat others with disrespect) conscious of the underlying distresses, conditioning, abuse, that may be the driving force behind their anti-social or violent behavior.
So, what do you propose?
We have ample data to indicate that jail, programs (incarceration and punishment) is ineffective.
An important sociological question would be, WHY, if it's true, do we have a generation of kids with no conscience?
Why is this phenomena not seen in other countries where kids are treated with more respect, where more attention is give to their 'real' needs?
Why is the US one of the most violent nations on the planet which models violence for it's youth? Why don't we have pro-human policies to ensure that all have the most basic of necessities, including quality time with their children (look at France)?
I don't theoretically disagree with serperating a violent person from society until they can get back to their inherent, 'right' mind. It's what happens during their temporary incarceration that is in question. I don't think it's helpful at all the way we are doing it in jails or programs. Both are grossly lacking anything useful. To punish them further for their lack of conscience, is not a very conscientious thing to do- in fact extremely disrespectful.
I appreciate Quinn's parable re: why government and bad policies are not going to bring about any great social change:
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 03&forum=9 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=4603&forum=9)
How do/would you interact with those high schoolers you've encountered? What do you perceive their need to be?
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***I don't theoretically disagree with serperating a violent person from society until they can get back to their inherent, 'right' mind. It's what happens during their temporary incarceration that is in question. I don't think it's helpful at all the way we are doing it in jails or programs. Both are grossly lacking anything useful. To punish them further for their lack of conscience, is not a very conscientious thing to do- in fact extremely disrespectful.
Well, I think that to say that these programs don't provide "anything" useful is an over generalization. For a great number of these children, the Programs, believe it or not, are better than the environments that they came from. Shocking, yes, but a reflection of life in our modern society as well. I also see the need for these programs for purposes of separating violent children who are, yes, on their way to our "fine" penal system. These situations exist and in many cases these programs are just a stopping ground for those who are on their way to an extended downfall. I understand that these two cases are just a small minority of the number of children who are placed in these programs. So, what do I propose?
Absolutely, there needs to be some standard nationwide that declares how and when a parent can place a child in ANY program. Now, here's where many of you will disagree with me. I am a human rights advocate. I do believe that there are standards that ALL humans need to abide by, however I am not a huge youth rights advocate. I do believe the parent should be allowed to parent. And that means, to me, that the child, to some extent must abide by the discerning decisions that their parents make. Discerning being the key word there. It does require effort and work to parent and let's admit that a large number of our society is afraid to do that. Does this take rights from children? No. It does however place the absolute burden on a parent to be thoughtful and tough on behalf of their children beginning in the early years. What a giant responsibility that too great a sector of our society neglects or perhaps just under prioritizes. This is why I believe we have these children without conscience. They have for so long not had parents who correctly taught and guided them. I don't know. Maybe we need to begin teaching classes on how to be parents right in the hospital delivery rooms. We really only have about 13 years to train our children in terms of their core values. After that, the world bombards them and it's really a hit or miss game.
In terms of the kids that are already in high school that clearly missed the core value lessons? Again...I don't know. I wish did have the answer. The ones I come in contact with, I definitely demand their respect. And this is something that I will give back to them, but that is not a requirement on my behalf. I have heard too often, "oh you're disrespecting me!" Well, your acting a fool child. I have a college degree and a good job and I know that I can make it in this world. Let's start with respecting those around you including yourself and earn some good old fashion respect. Not everything in this world can be given to you. Let's try teaching by example, loving our children, and by that I don't mean giving them whatever is whithin reach, and teaching them to work for everything including respect.
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On 2005-04-24 20:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
Well, I think that to say that these programs don't provide "anything" useful is an over generalization. For a great number of these children, the Programs, believe it or not, are better than the environments that they came from. Shocking
I don't think you fully apreciate the profound side effects of BM. Instead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth.
--Will Rogers
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On 2005-04-24 20:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
This is why I believe we have these children without conscience.
That is a myth. All the evidence we have shows that kids ta' day are no worse, and in many ways better, than kids in any other day. A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another; shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement
Thomas Jefferson
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Same here, I knew him personally. I used to hang out with him and clay a bunch back in the day. Chris thought he was gods gift to the world, I hope he rots in jail. RIP to his poor mother, and my best wishes to his father, also I feel bad for his girlfriend since she has to deal with the fact that her boyfriend is a murderer.
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Chris is a real bastardized prick. He always talked about how much money was waiting for him when he got a lawyers degree. He only cared for himself, and no one else. He was the kind of guy that would snitch out his friends to avoid paying for a crime he did. He wasn't abused by any system or program. As a matter of fact he supposedly went on that Program in Samoa or so he said for snuffing out a kid. His Father supposedly would always get him off charges he would say. Unfortunately his Foster Father never saw Chris for what he was, and ironically he may never see again at all.He was not a guy that was created out of a program he was just a guy who since he was young was just pure Evil. Come on, what kind of a guy goes around admitting whether true or not that he unloaded a revolver in a kids face and got away with it.
Nuff Said
I am someone who doesn't exist anymore but knows the bastard for who he is. I unfortunately never got to find out about what happened till I saw his picture in the news. If not I probably would have told his Foster Father to kick him out before he does something to him as well.
I will continue to probably watch these events as they unravel but seriously whether he did or did not have anything to do with it. He is getting what he deserves for all the wrong his father got him off for.
Nevermore
R.I.P to his mother and god save her soul for what that souless SOB did to her over so many years.
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By the way many many years ago he said Grandpa left him some nasty inheritance he couldn't touch till he was a lawyer or parents died. Something in the millions he said.
How is that for motive.
Nevermore
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up we go
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does anyone know about "peaches?" - ar1adne@hotmail.com
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by the way they are seeking the death penalty
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On 2005-04-17 19:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, on the one hand, if he was horribly abused and psychologically damaged enough, he could make a choice like that and not realize what hes doing. However, you all went trough abusive programs and didnt kill your parents. I wonder if his Mom was just doing what she thought was best for her son. In that case she was murdered because she loved her son and ignorantly sent him somewhere abusive. She didnt abuse him. i wonder about hte whole story. If he was abused, did he tell her and she didnt believe him? Is he chemically imbalanced? I dont think it is ok to kill another human being unless your life is in jeapordy or unless your saving someone elses life. But to kill someone because of resentment? Is there more info on this case about the program that is involved? Does he blame the program for the crimes? "
yes he told her, no she didn't believe him, yes, he's chemically imbalanced...no one knows who he really blames. 20/20 or some show like that did an expose on the program...samoa has since been shut down because of the law suits.
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That prick knew very well what he was doing. He knew difference between right and wrong. He was alway bad even before the program. The system only gave him what he deserved. His mother and father got hurt because he wanted to hurt them. She is dead because he is Evil.
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i don't remember him..... but then again i don't remember half the people that where there.. i choose to forget. anyways my name is Ross VanRozeboom, i was there nearly 2 years. from 1998 to 2000 left when i was 18 i was on lvl 2 for about a year and a half.. never told them what they wanted to hear... fuck them, im hoping to file against them.
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On 2005-04-29 14:58:00, Unforgiver wrote:
"Same here, I knew him personally. I used to hang out with him and clay a bunch back in the day. Chris thought he was gods gift to the world, I hope he rots in jail. RIP to his poor mother, and my best wishes to his father, also I feel bad for his girlfriend since she has to deal with the fact that her boyfriend is a murderer.
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thank you...i saw your website and figured out who you are...not many people sympathize with me right now...
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Hey, I figured out who you are, too. So, how are the dogs? Do you have them?
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yeah, i have them with me. they're doing really good... especially the baby.. the "peaches" question is me too, that's my email if you want to drop a hello every now and then...i'm far away now
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and if you have any info on my question or know someone who does...i really would like an answer...
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On 2005-05-21 12:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey, I figured out who you are, too. So, how are the dogs? Do you have them?"
update on this, nugget died on sunday, the infection that the miami vet never caught b/c it was a rare type of infection had completely eaten away at her muscle mass and system. she was down to 7 pounds. she seemed to rally for a little bit and get better but last friday she couldn't even walk. she's in a better place now where she isn't suffering anymore. she died peacefully in her sleep early on sunday morning with me and action with her. i miss her though......