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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 04, 2005, 04:47:00 PM
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Last night on the show Desperate Housewives, the parents came into the son's room, told him he would be going to a camp for behavior modification, he said he did not want to go.
His parents were looking through brochures that made the place look fantastic. When they went into the boy's room, they told him about going to camp. He said he did not want to go.
They said he had no choice. In walked to large, buffed men who forced him to go. He started fighting and they grabbed his arms and held him there.
The mother told him she was sorry, that this would be the best thing for him, and he spit in her face. That's where it ended. I suggest you all watch it next Sunday night at 9:00 p.m., pacific time.
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Yeah!, I caught that too. Posted about it in "Free For All"
I haven't followed the show, but it seems to be very popular/talked about. Maybe this issue is coming out from under the rock!Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppression of both mind and body will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day
Thomas Jefferson
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I suggest we all write the producers and writers and share our personal experiences.It would be a tradgedy if they made transports,camps,programs,RTCs look like a positive solution to teenage behaviors.
Anyone have the address where to write .
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ok, this is on DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES
It was probably the mom just getting rid of a kid so she could go knock boots with some guy, Right?
Remember, this is more 90210 than dawson's creek. I don't go lookin' for trouble. I just keep a little in a box should someone come by who is.
--Bill Warbis
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This is even better...
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I missed it, but they're cheering about it over at ST. It's all about the boy, and how they can relate.
Nothing about the obsessive compulsive, controlling, perfectionist, cold/distant, and quite unscrupulous Stepford mom. He learned from the best.
No one mentioned that when he 'hit' the old lady it was because she ran out in front of him. What did mom do? Sold his car immediately and covered up evidence.
It will be interesting to see where they take this. Perhaps the writer would be interested in having the boy's wilderness experience end with him dying due to neglect- either Ian August or Aaron Bacon's story would be perfect. Or any of the other 36 stories that ended in death, for that matter.
They could show a young and ignorant staff instructing a kid to set his tent up under a heavily snow-laden branch that breaks in the night and crushes his skull. Or have him hiking unsupervised in an undesignated area and falling in a crevass. Or die like Chase Moody from an illegal and unnecessary restraint. There are so many unique story lines to choose from, it might be a tough choice. But, I'm certain they could find one that pleased and rivited the audience.
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Holy crap! They're cheering about it over at the fan site too! :eek:
http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=305757 (http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=305757)I believe in God, only I spell it Nature.
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What is the link for "Free For All" mentioned below? I'm not familiar with that forum and can't find it on a Google search.
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=22&1355 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=22&1355)
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Thank you very much JMA.
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Holy crap! They're cheering about it over at the fan site too!
::puke::
Not worth the effort of registering to comment to brain dead people. I might if they don't remove the link you provided Ginger. I'd like to post links to Bacon and August's death. See how the viewing audience enjoys those gruesome, non-fiction, tales.
I am incredibly baffled that the overwhelming majority of comments say nothing about the psychotic household this carachter grew up in.
I bet any one of those people would've spit in their mother's face if in that position. Sometimes it takes dynamite to wake a parent up. But, as always the kid will serve the time for the sins of the parent.
Next episode should be Bree reading survivors stories on the internet, pulling him, and calling in Nanny 911 to help her get her shit together. Wouldn't that be a hoot.
Wonder what the sadists on the message board would think about that twist?
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03/28 - When Bree's son gets shipped off to some sort of juvy/rehab center for his drug problems, she will offend nearly every parent in the room with a diatribe about how she's not addicted to crack, didn't raise her child in a trailer park, etc. She's on fiyah
http://www.spoilerfix.com/desperate.php (http://www.spoilerfix.com/desperate.php)
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spoiler ---
The gay character is actually going to be Bree?s son, the pot-smoking problem teen who was behind the wheel of the car that put Carlos?s mother into a coma earlier this season. Expect to see more of him next season when all will be revealed re his sexuality, with Bree of course worried that her overbearing nature is the cause of it.
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On 2005-04-04 14:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I suggest we all write the producers and writers and share our personal experiences.It would be a tradgedy if they made transports,camps,programs,RTCs look like a positive solution to teenage behaviors.
Anyone have the address where to write ."
Great idea!
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http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=4 ... dID=305757 (http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=42&threadID=305757)
Nihilanthic, you are my hero. Thanks to the other people who posted some sense over there too.
Now, kill your televisions, folks, and sit back and feel your brain cells start to multiply again.
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Great idea you had. I did it, and I noticed someone had also beat me to the point, hooray!
More of us, ALL of us, should flood that damned show with information about the real situation. It can't hurt. Maybe ABC will read these posts, before they probably remove them from their boards, and do a story on this. Now THAT would be something, wouldn't it?
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Did anyone catch the show last night? Anything sound familiar with the boy? He told mom and dad that he was gay - they freaked out - brought him home. He told the family minister that he wasn't gay, he just wanted to come home. He said how he played them and that mom would be
getting it worse than anything anyone could think of soon. He said his parents were "tools."
He's going to keep on pretending he's gay and go along with what mom wants for now so they don't send him back!
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On 2005-04-18 13:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Did anyone catch the show last night? Anything sound familiar with the boy? He told mom and dad that he was gay - they freaked out - brought him home. He told the family minister that he wasn't gay, he just wanted to come home. He said how he played them and that mom would be
getting it worse than anything anyone could think of soon. He said his parents were "tools."
He's going to keep on pretending he's gay and go along with what mom wants for now so they don't send him back! "
I'm beginning to believe there are programmed parents among the writers there... they play out all of the program's lies. This time it's the "kids lie and manipulate their parents so they could get out, you can't trust these horrible, dangerous, troubled teens, it's all manipulation".
Now, when they'll encounter a similar situation in real life, people who watch this crap will say, "oh, that kid must lying, just like that kid on TV". Disgusting.
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'Pretending' to be gay? Did you miss the episode when he had his little rendezvous with the boy in the pool? My take is that he is bi.
And for the staunch program parent, I don't think their kid claiming to be gay would bring them any closer home.
An aside- And I have to ask... What is your stake in what happens with other families? What is the big deal if this did happen? Does it effect you personally in some way? Or do you need every kid to stay in the program to validate your choice? Give it a damn rest. And chant this mantra, "I am not in control of other people's CHOICES."
Anything sound familiar?
Well, what I notice is a boy who has an uptight, rigid, obsessive compulsive, neurotic, religiously hysterical, stepford mother.... who has not allowed him to breath, or burp, or fart, or laugh, or play, or be real. She said she was concerned about his sexual preference because she was afraid he wouldn't go to heaven, and she 'needed' him to be there in order to be happy. The damn tension in that home is so thick you could cut it with a knife. Everyone is walking on eggshells to keep her happy. Bree wants no part of reality. Any reality that doesn't fit into the nice safe bubble she has created... hence a sexually active daughter, a 'bi' son, and a husband that's into S&M- Gasp.
When you're 'stuck', life sometimes provides the dynamite needed to loosen you up. If she doesn't bend a little her foundation is liable to crack.
Come to think of it, I did hear something familiar, but it's been on the message boards. It's always the kid. Attack the kid. The ungrateful, heathen, bastard needs the *hit kicked out of him. Most feel sorry for the poor mom, who is a f-in basket case. They damn the father for not providing more 'discipline'. How bout this for discipline- he slap his wife into present time reality, metaphorically speaking. I'd like to see him take a firm stance with her. For him and the kids to skip some of her 'gourmet dinners' that she 'expects' gratitude for... and go to a hamburger joint, without her. Instead everyone panders her narrow little comfort zone and the pressure cooker rocks. The explosion should be interesting.
She needs to get some kick ass therapy and get over her mother's death. I haven't heard one person address her anality... if that's a word.
And this from another thread was just too perfect. I had to add it:
There were parts in this article about Tranquility Bay that I thought were insightful regarding how Americans view parenting and teenagers:
http://nospank.net/tranq.htm (http://nospank.net/tranq.htm)
"These are classic Tranquility-parent feelings. For example, Mozingo believes his son had a serious drug problem before coming to Jamaica and Josh agrees. What was he taking? 'I was doing marijuana. I was doing cigarettes. Alcohol.' He looks disgusted with himself."
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"Also striking is the assumption parents make of entitlement to their child's affection, as though this is a legal right. 'She's a neat kid, she really is,' a former student's mother says. 'She just didn't like us.'"
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"Messy divorce and remarriage are the norm among these parents. Their expectations of loyalty from their children, though, suggest a gilt-edged ideal of American family life so brittle any rebellion or defiance is literally terrifying. This culture then creates its own logic - for once adolescence is criminalised, Tranquility becomes the obvious solution."
and what some TB residents said:
"'Oh, my relationship with my family was pretty bad. I just went to my room and avoided my parents. There was always arguments and stuff,' offers Pete. 'I was very angry with my parents, their divorce had a big influence on me. I'm not angry with them now, though. Not at all. I mean, I look at this as a punishment, obviously, but I deserved it. How I acted towards my parents.'"
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"Susie is 16, from New York, and here 'because of having sex. Not going to school. It was my attitude. It wasn't, like, drugs. The problem was, me and my mom, we just didn't have a relationship. We could say how was your day, that was about it.' The possibility that this was a normal phase is adamantly rejected by Susie."
These places encourage parents to blame their children for all their problems. I mean, how sad is that quote from the kid who said he was acting out over his parents divorce, but that he deserved to be sent there because of how he acted toward his parents.
So I guess the reason I put this here in this thread is that if parents are looking for a way to blame their kid and not themselves, it doesn't matter what they could have done differently.
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[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2005-04-18 16:34 ]
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Hey guys....you keep talking about Bree and reality....REMEMBER...THIS IS TELEVISION...NOT REALITY....Aren't you the same folks that say kids watching MTV or horror flicks or R rated movies, or listening to rap music, hard rock, or any of that stuff won't hurt them?
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On 2005-04-18 14:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
I'm beginning to believe there are programmed parents among the writers there... they play out all of the program's lies. This time it's the "kids lie and manipulate their parents so they could get out, you can't trust these horrible, dangerous, troubled teens, it's all manipulation".
Now, when they'll encounter a similar situation in real life, people who watch this crap will say, "oh, that kid must lying, just like that kid on TV". Disgusting.
That's not really that far out there. Back during the Nixon Admin there was some monkey business about influencing daytime soaps to include encounter sessions. Then there was Dan Forbes scoop on Barry "Gen. McCzar" McCaffrey paying off primetime producers to rewrite scripts to include a little more drug war propaganda.
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/1jcl/1jcl60.htm (http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/1jcl/1jcl60.htm)
I expect this sort of thing goes on A LOT. Call it product placement and see if you can find other examples. It's not all that surprising, though, when you consider the influence of entertainment and all the money involved.
From the bottom of any large organization looking up through the ranks, human greed and stupidity look a lot like a conspiracy.
--S. Gilbert
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Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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But I thought you guys were the ones that thought kids should watch, play, listen to what they want. It really doesn't matter?????? You are the ones that say parents are over restrictive for monitoring television, video games, and music...right?
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No, I don't think I know of anyone who says it doesn't matter or that parents shouldn't monitor (pay attention to, be involved with) what kids are watching and paying attention to. And I can't even imagine anyone believing that it has no invluence. Just that trying to prevent kids from watching what they want would be ineffective and counterproductive. Let them watch what they want and you watch it too, from time to time. Weigh in w/ your opinion.
And making more out of your kids' curiosity can be hazardous too. "Oh my God! There are Marilyn Manson posters all over her walls! She's a satanist!!!!" is definitely over-reacting.
I just got back from taking my 15yo daughter to see Sin City. We both enjoyed it thoroughly and talked about it. Now I know just a little bit more about what she and her friends are into and she has my take on it as well.
Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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Has anybody been keeping up with this series? I'm cuerious to know how they're handling the storyline, if at all.