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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 02, 2005, 01:47:00 PM
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This is the right forum to bitch about Karen :eek:
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Well, it's like this, Karen is like a switchboard right now. She's talking shit and when she can't get new info cause she's burning all her sources, she just makes new stuff up. Then, as if that's not bad enough, she comes down on survivors just for hee-haws here on Fornits. :scared:
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On 2005-04-02 10:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, it's like this, Karen is like a switchboard right now. She's talking shit and when she can't get new info cause she's burning all her sources, she just makes new stuff up. Then, as if that's not bad enough, she comes down on survivors just for hee-haws here on Fornits. :scared: "
...or the elderly!
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Oh, I'm Karen, and I went my Bible and it said that I should drop dime on all my friends, and then just see what happens, duh?
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Yes, I too think that Buzzkill has gone too far. In the other thread she viciously attacked Spots for simply pointing out a broken link. With all this other talk added to the pot, I have to say that I have no respect at all for this person. She ought to change her logo to a snake in the grass!
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You know Karen has reasons for stabbing eveyone in the back.....just ask her!
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Karen messed with spots, na na -- na na na! What a mean thing to do. I think I'll have a glass of Eldeberry Wine now.
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Who is in charge of this blooming mess :question:
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On 2005-04-02 11:07:00, Didier wrote:
"Yes, I too think that Buzzkill has gone too far. In the other thread she viciously attacked Spots for simply pointing out a broken link. With all this other talk added to the pot, I have to say that I have no respect at all for this person. She ought to change her logo to a snake in the grass!"
Karen, what did Spots ever do to you? :mad:
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Evidently, just you and the voices.
For myself, I do not believe in any revelation. As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities.
--Charles Robert Darwin, English naturalist
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Are you trying to provoke me into saying what I think about that other one, and why, on the forum, for some reason? Can't imagine why. . .
But it looks that way. Your posting absolute lies and in general being very provoking.
If its 'stabbing in the back' to say up front what I think and why - then I'm guilty as charged; But I would define stabbing in the back, differently.
I would say, I am being accused of what that other one is guilty of. The sneaky, hidden plots and schemes, hatched on the sunny beeches, would fit my definition of back stabbing, far better than my own upfront and wide open expressions of opinion.
As for all this crap; all this hysterical, slanderous, mud slinging; You are only trying to cause people the same unease of mind you know so well.
Who can I trust; who can I talk to; Who believes me and who see through the masquerade?
Driving you crazy, I know. You see, that's the thing about this - I do know.
As I have told you, it is very foolish to make bitter enemies of those who have been friends.
Now, as for talking about people - Why are you talking, so very much, about me ?
What could you be up to?
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On 2005-04-02 11:41:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"Are you trying to provoke me into saying what I think about that other one, and why, on the forum, for some reason? Can't imagine why. . .
But it looks that way. Your posting absolute lies and in general being very provoking.
If its 'stabbing in the back' to say up front what I think and why - then I'm guilty as charged; But I would define stabbing in the back, differently.
I would say, I am being accused of what that other one is guilty of. The sneaky, hidden plots and schemes, hatched on the sunny beeches, would fit my definition of back stabbing, far better than my own upfront and wide open expressions of opinion.
As for all this crap; all this hysterical, slanderous, mud slinging; You are only trying to cause people the same unease of mind you know so well.
Who can I trust; who can I talk to; Who believes me and who see through the masquerade?
Driving you crazy, I know. You see, that's the thing about this - I do know.
As I have told you, it is very foolish to make bitter enemies of those who have been friends.
Now, as for talking about people - Why are you talking, so very much, about me ?
What could you be up to?
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I don't even have a horse in this race you whacked-out fruit loop. I'm just pointing out that picking on Spots was as wicked as all your other machinations. As far as you trying to make me out to be SS - forget it, you're not even close. Get out your Bible and ask again. :idea:
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On 2005-04-02 11:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-04-02 11:41:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"Are you trying to provoke me into saying what I think about that other one, and why, on the forum, for some reason? Can't imagine why. . .
But it looks that way. Your posting absolute lies and in general being very provoking.
If its 'stabbing in the back' to say up front what I think and why - then I'm guilty as charged; But I would define stabbing in the back, differently.
I would say, I am being accused of what that other one is guilty of. The sneaky, hidden plots and schemes, hatched on the sunny beeches, would fit my definition of back stabbing, far better than my own upfront and wide open expressions of opinion.
As for all this crap; all this hysterical, slanderous, mud slinging; You are only trying to cause people the same unease of mind you know so well.
Who can I trust; who can I talk to; Who believes me and who see through the masquerade?
Driving you crazy, I know. You see, that's the thing about this - I do know.
As I have told you, it is very foolish to make bitter enemies of those who have been friends.
Now, as for talking about people - Why are you talking, so very much, about me ?
What could you be up to?
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I don't even have a horse in this race you whacked-out fruit loop. I'm just pointing out that picking on Spots was as wicked as all your other machinations. As far as you trying to make me out to be SS - forget it, you're not even close. Get out your Bible and ask again. :rofl:
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Buzzkill, I don't know you, but it seems to me like you must know something about some people that really, really, really has them worried. Just don't respond back to these people at all--that will absolutely drive them NUTTS!!!! And IF you ever thought they were friends: you do need to redefine the word "friend."
No one with a sense of fairness, and friendship makes fun of one's religion. That's a great big NO-NO and a sign of a vicious, scared person.
Ignore them.
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On 2005-04-02 12:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Buzzkill, I don't know you, but it seems to me like you must know something about some people that really, really, really has them worried. Just don't respond back to these people at all--that will absolutely drive them NUTTS!!!! And IF you ever thought they were friends: you do need to redefine the word "friend."
No one with a sense of fairness, and friendship makes fun of one's religion. That's a great big NO-NO and a sign of a vicious, scared person.
Ignore them."
...and if she doesn't know anything, she can always just make it up (ha)!
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Hello Sue.
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Karen, hang in there. YOU are right! What a scary place it must be to think that God doesn't have a plan. YOU are the encouragement on this site. Prayin' for you.
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Hi Karen.
If you are bothering to even read all this, know that many know why you are being attacked. Keep yourself strong. You spoke the truth directly to those who are now trying to tear you down. THEY operate out of fear, and misplaced hatred. Don't play their silly games. You do have support and friends. We care.
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On 2005-04-02 13:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Karen, hang in there. YOU are right! What a scary place it must be to think that God doesn't have a plan. YOU are the encouragement on this site. Prayin' for you."
A tear just fell from my eye.
Sanctimony and pious hypocrisy all in one post. :oops:
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Hypocrisy? And who elected you judge and jury?
Karen's views represent as many, or perhaps more, than your judgmental views. And who may you be Mr/Mrs/MS ANON? See, we who post Anon can be a little freer with our judgements, can't we?
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On 2005-04-02 15:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hypocrisy? And who elected you judge and jury?
Karen's views represent as many, or perhaps more, than your judgmental views. And who may you be Mr/Mrs/MS ANON? See, we who post Anon can be a little freer with our judgements, can't we?"
More people than just Anons chimed-in on this thread, and thanks to you this thread keeps getting bumped to the top. It's just so funny, that the need for you to get your say in, is more important then letting this thread die.
Another emotional dummy?! :smokin:
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No my dear--just someone speaking up for a nice person. What do you consider yourself, a kind soul? What a mean-spirited person you seem. You got a friend named Sue? If not, you should meet her sometimes. Seems like you'd like her a whole lot.
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Karen, nice to know so many people support and appreciate you! Even people you don't know. Isn't God good?
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On 2005-04-02 18:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Karen, nice to know so many people support and appreciate you! Even people you don't know. Isn't God good?"
:lol: .
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On 2005-04-02 18:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No my dear--just someone speaking up for a nice person. What do you consider yourself, a kind soul? What a mean-spirited person you seem. You got a friend named Sue? If not, you should meet her sometimes. Seems like you'd like her a whole lot."
I don't know who has the lower IQ, you or your alter-ego who follows-up your message with some blather about God. Talk about disrespect to religion, you two use it to champion someone named Buzzkill. The fact that you keep mentioning Sue indicates to me you're part of that sorry group tied up with ISAC. You sending in your donations?
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Ok, I can't help myself. I'm bumping the most idiotic topic started today (and that's saying something)
But I have to know, anon, is Karen an emotional dummy or a schemer capable of sophisticated machination. And do you honestly believe that everybody in the world loves Sue except for the couple of ppl at ISAC? If you ain't got a horse in this race (which I find unlikely) then you are being played for a fool. Worse? A damned fool.Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense
--Buddha
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On 2005-04-02 20:31:00, Antigen wrote:
"Ok, I can't help myself. I'm bumping the most idiotic topic started today (and that's saying something)
But I have to know, anon, is Karen an emotional dummy or a schemer capable of sophisticated machination. And do you honestly believe that everybody in the world loves Sue except for the couple of ppl at ISAC? If you ain't got a horse in this race (which I find unlikely) then you are being played for a fool. Worse? A damned fool.Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense
--Buddha
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Your Honor,
I thought you were impartial, yet you call this thread the "most idiotic topic started today". That's not what I would expect from someone of your character, wisdom and knowledge. It also goes against your informal mission statement. Nevertheless, since you asked.
I wasn't even aware, until you posted this message, that Karen was the same person who wrote all of the posts which resulted in what you are suggesting are conflicting replies. So, it is interesting to know she was posting as herself and many others. That, all by itself, tells you something. Also, Karen seems to have a habit of imposing her belief system, values and her religion on everyone at Fornits when it suits her. So, a thread could be going along, with an exchange of ideas and let's say someone, for instance like SPOTS, makes a comment that relates to the topic. Karen doesn't like it, so she writes combative, sarcastic posts to invalidate the thoughts of another person. It seems unwarranted. It also seems like she wants to throw-in with her click by aggressively defending any comment which remotely relates back to ISAC. That gets old.
Everyone knows that you, oh Great One, Christine, Marti the nomad, Shannon, Karen, Shelby and her loser husband are running in a pack right now. You've made that very clear. Especially you, Queen Ginger, when you give this thread the "idiotic" prize over threads like the ones started in CEDU.
I left out the Points and Authorities your honor.
:nworthy:
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How about you shut up. Spots has proven time and again to be quit able to speak for herself. She absolutely doesn't need someone else to 'defend' her.
Your comments about Karen are redundant and boring, best sent to her in a private communication.
And yes, this was the most 'idiotoc' topic of the day. Stop boring the readers of Fornits with your venting.
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On 2005-04-03 06:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
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How about you shut up. Spots has proven time and again to be quit able to speak for herself. She absolutely doesn't need someone else to 'defend' her.
Your comments about Karen are redundant and boring, best sent to her in a private communication.
And yes, this was the most 'idiotoc' topic of the day. Stop boring the readers of Fornits with your venting."
Uh, this thread was on its way out, when Ginger and now you posted again and caused it to be bumped. As far as me shutting up, why don't you make me?
Moreover, your striking defense of Karen is boring to me and my followers, but you haven't seen me bring up the word boring, have you? It must not be too boring, since it's on top and has multiple pages of comment. Where did your group find you from? They better change their spokesperson again (ha)!
If I'm not asked, then I won't answer fool! :wave:
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Dame SLee, I just have to ask -
What about this:
//"Ok, I can't help myself. I'm bumping the most idiotic topic started today (and that's saying something)
But I have to know, anon, is Karen an emotional dummy or a schemer capable of sophisticated machination. And do you honestly believe that everybody in the world loves Sue except for the couple of ppl at ISAC? If you ain't got a horse in this race (which I find unlikely) then you are being played for a fool. Worse? A damned fool. //
Leads you to conclude (wrongly) this:
// I wasn't even aware, until you posted this message, that Karen was the same person who wrote all of the posts which resulted in what you are suggesting are conflicting replies. So, it is interesting to know she was posting as herself and many others. //
As for this:
//she writes combative, sarcastic posts to invalidate the thoughts of another person. //
What I wrote was not intended to be combative or sarcastic. I had a legitimate question based on private conversation. YOU wouldn't know diddly squat about it, and its YOU who is being sarcastic and combative.
And this:
// Karen seems to have a habit of imposing her belief system, values and her religion on everyone at Fornits when it suits her. //
Now how on God's green Earth can I impose what I believe on anyone here? This (like so much coming from you lately)is just plain stupid. I make it a point, not to make what I believe an issue, unless someone else brings it up. Youse others Do make it a point to frequently bring it up - So, it does get mentioned - but not b/c *I* am making it an issue.
And this:
// you, oh Great One, Christine, Marti the nomad, Shannon, Karen, Shelby and her loser husband are running in a pack right now. //
So, is this the complete enemy of SLee list, or do you anticapate amendments?
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On 2005-04-03 07:46:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"Dame SLee, I just have to ask -
What about this:
//"Ok, I can't help myself. I'm bumping the most idiotic topic started today (and that's saying something)
But I have to know, anon, is Karen an emotional dummy or a schemer capable of sophisticated machination. And do you honestly believe that everybody in the world loves Sue except for the couple of ppl at ISAC? If you ain't got a horse in this race (which I find unlikely) then you are being played for a fool. Worse? A damned fool. //
Leads you to conclude (wrongly) this:
// I wasn't even aware, until you posted this message, that Karen was the same person who wrote all of the posts which resulted in what you are suggesting are conflicting replies. So, it is interesting to know she was posting as herself and many others. //
As for this:
//she writes combative, sarcastic posts to invalidate the thoughts of another person. //
What I wrote was not intended to be combative or sarcastic. I had a legitimate question based on private conversation. YOU wouldn't know diddly squat about it, and its YOU who is being sarcastic and combative.
And this:
// Karen seems to have a habit of imposing her belief system, values and her religion on everyone at Fornits when it suits her. //
Now how on God's green Earth can I impose what I believe on anyone here? This (like so much coming from you lately)is just plain stupid. I make it a point, not to make what I believe an issue, unless someone else brings it up. Youse others Do make it a point to frequently bring it up - So, it does get mentioned - but not b/c *I* am making it an issue.
And this:
// you, oh Great One, Christine, Marti the nomad, Shannon, Karen, Shelby and her loser husband are running in a pack right now. //
So, is this the complete enemy of SLee list, or do you anticapate amendments? "
What I anticipate is you on the wrong end of a civil lawsuit. Can't you figure out how to use the "quote" radio-button Karen? It would make life so much easier.
Karen, you shot your mouth off again. It was stupid dribble designed to attack someone simply contributing information. All I did, and others by the way, was to point out that you are perhaps the most silly person on Fornits. You type a page of babble that resembled a religious epiphany, on whuch by the way the premise was so absurd, it begged response. How is that not bringing your religion into Fornits?
By the way, I don't think the original poster was defendaning Spots, I think she/her was defending her right to say something without having it followed-up with your stupid ravings Karen.
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On 2005-04-03 07:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
Moreover, your striking defense of Karen is boring to me and my followers,
You and your followers? :???: Are you proclaiming yourself the leader of this lovely little group?
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On 2005-04-03 08:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-04-03 07:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
Moreover, your striking defense of Karen is boring to me and my followers,
You and your followers? :???: Are you proclaiming yourself the leader of this lovely little group?"
Maybe just the Senior Staff. It's not as well organized, or as fanatical as your group. Plus, we are minus the considerable braintrust of your Great One! :lol:
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Can anyone say "bump"? :mad:
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When can we expect to see http://www.buzzkillrebuttal.com (http://www.buzzkillrebuttal.com) up and running? :em:
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On 2005-04-03 09:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"When can we expect to see http://www.buzzkillrebuttal.com (http://www.buzzkillrebuttal.com) up and running? :exclaim:
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"You and your followers? Are you proclaiming yourself the leader of this lovely little group?"
"Maybe just the Senior Staff. It's not as well organized, or as fanatical as your group. Plus, we are minus the considerable braintrust of your Great One!"
Given that those in the 'lovely little group' have no identities, to what extent is this thread useful to the public? Just another gang war at Fornits expense. You choose to remain anon (to everyone but Karen) and vague- excluding other readers- then why not take this argument where it belongs, private communication. I'd bet you all have Karen's email address, and it's not fornits.com.
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On 2005-04-03 09:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
""You and your followers? Are you proclaiming yourself the leader of this lovely little group?"
"Maybe just the Senior Staff. It's not as well organized, or as fanatical as your group. Plus, we are minus the considerable braintrust of your Great One!"
Given that those in the 'lovely little group' have no identities, to what extent is this thread useful to the public? Just another gang war at Fornits expense. You choose to remain anon (to everyone but Karen) and vague- excluding other readers- then why not take this argument where it belongs, private communication. I'd bet you all have Karen's email address, and it's not fornits.com.
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Do you feel better now, having gotten that off your chest?
:grin:
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Let's all do "the bump" ::bump::
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who is slee?
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SLee, anyone?
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On 2005-04-03 05:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
Your Honor,
I thought you were impartial, yet you call this thread the "most idiotic topic started today".
I don't know where you get that idea. I have pretty strong opinions about a lot of what people discuss around here. As far as I know, it's still perfectly legal and ethical for me to have opinions, isn't it?
I wasn't even aware, until you posted this message, that Karen was the same person who wrote all of the posts which resulted in what you are suggesting are conflicting replies.
Well, either I'm not communicating well or you're not reading well. I'm still not aware that Karen was the same person who made all those posts. If she is, then I've never given her nearly enough credit for either tech skills or creative writing skills.
Also, Karen seems to have a habit of imposing her belief system, values and her religion on everyone at Fornits when it suits her.
Yeah, a lot of religious ppl have that habit. She's nowhere near as overbearing about it as most stepcraft practitioners, though.
So, a thread could be going along, with an exchange of ideas and let's say someone, for instance like SPOTS, makes a comment that relates to the topic. Karen doesn't like it, so she writes combative, sarcastic posts to invalidate the thoughts of another person. It seems unwarranted.
Yeah, that was pretty close to out of character for her. I have to wonder what's behind it, but don't necessarily want to find out, ya' know?
It also seems like she wants to throw-in with her click by aggressively defending any comment which remotely relates back to ISAC. That gets old.
Well, this ugly business between PURE and ISAC has been a shock to all of us. Honestly, my biggest problem w/ ISAC in the past has been that they were mistaking fidelity to PURE for helping save children from abusive programs. Evidently, that's not a problem any more, huh?
Everyone knows that you, oh Great One, Christine, Marti the nomad, Shannon, Karen, Shelby and her loser husband are running in a pack right now.
When you say "everone", I assume you're refering to those blasted voices in your head? Who's Christine? I've heard or read the name Shannon, but I'm not sure who she is either. As for Shelby's loser husband, well we're not really getting along just now either, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him a loser.
You've made that very clear. Especially you, Queen Ginger, when you give this thread the "idiotic" prize over threads like the ones started in CEDU.
At least the SIBS trolls are humorous! You're sniping at Karen is just.... idiotic. If you're bent on making her out to be some kind of brilliant malevolent genius, well have at it, I suppose. But it's gonna be a hard sell.
I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie
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KAREN: ARE YOU STILL LOSTING YOUR TIME? I THINK YOU MUST GET A REAL JOB.
.... AND SAY HELLO TO CRAIG ROGERS!!!
MEXICO
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KAREN: ARE YOU STILL LOSTING YOUR TIME? I THINK YOU MUST GET A REAL JOB.
.... AND SAY HELLO TO CRAIG ROGERS!!!
MEXICO
Josue'? Is this you?
If so, why don't you just email me if you have a comment to make?
Am I to tell Craig MX says Hello?
And what do you mean "Losting your time"? Do you mean wasting time? I guess so.
What kind of "real Job" do you have now a days?
How are ya doing?
Nate would probably like to hear from you.