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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 30, 2005, 09:42:00 PM
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:flame: Darrington Academy is a lie, it is bogus, they are trying to get the money and look like there making a change in peoples lifes..they dont they may age and mature kids but its not in a good way..how do i know? I was there I saw them for what they were...They treated the kids like they were dirt..that they were superior to the teens and even to women they treated my mom even disrespectfully, and I hasve decided to speak against them, no kid deserves that at all idont care what they are doing they dont deserve the abuse..you dont strip search kids for candy..i swear they r crazy..and dace goulding is the biggest fake and so is Rich Darrington the only logical,person there was was Ricky who they got rid of him for stading up for the kids..Well I am speaking against Darrington Academy..and if you try to sue Ricky i will be there to state my case too..I am not scared you cant hold my levels over me nemore...Because in luife I have the same level as you....But, we will see what happens....if you have ne questions abut arrington academy..please ask in this forum....
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I completely disagree. The only people that think this way ar the ones that did not complete the program and want to find someway to comlain about it because they were ashamed of being there or are revengeful. I completely the progam 6 months ago and am happier then I have ever been thanks to Darrinton and the amazing staff members that are they. There are often comments like this because the first few months are really difficult and people that are still in resistance to changing would rather be out doing what got them there in the first place.
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That's what they all say - sounds like brainwashing to me. The break em down build em up abuse is what I call it.
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who are you? and you graduated in Nov. so who are you? your not adam for sure nd anyways yes darrington was good back in Nov. then it started getting bad when the pc3 of Nov left so dont tel me what u dont know..and by the way....you dont know the truth the only good ppl that ever worked there quit..dont you seee a little clues..Jerry, Ricky, Ray, julie, hyrum.....yeah thats where it is
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Do any of you Darrington students know anything about the polygimist cult in the darrington neighborhood?
Do you wish to share what you know. Was Dace Goulding on the Darrington premises often?
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Where is Darrington Academy? Is it a wwasp affiliate. I know they are desparate to keep their patients/students who were at facilities that were closed down. I just can't understand how parents can go along with all of their bull.
Life is like a shit sandwich; the more bread you got, the less shit you gotta eat.
--Anonymous
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Darrington is in Blue Ridge, Georgia.
And if it just started in Fall of 2004 after the Mexican govt. closed Casa By The Sea (which, iirc, was where someone said Dace was), how could we *already* have program graduates?
Okay, it's April. Our 6 mos. "graduate" is either a troll *or* fresh out and wet behind the ears and if the brainwashing wears off has to fear getting sent back---unless he/she is 18.
Ginger---I'd like to know if this is a troll. I *don't* want any information about identities. But if you can ethically say, I would like to know whether our Program Critic and our Program Cheerleader in this thread are coming off the same IP address. If they're at least different people, at least we won't be wasting our time answering.
I can believe someone went there for a month or a few weeks and had time to form an impression of Dace Goulding.
I can believe that we've got someone fresh out whose real personality is still suppressed by the Cult personality coercively implanted by WWASPS.
Dude, please look up Strategic Interaction Approach, Steven Hassan, and his book "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves."
You probably will find aspects of the cult personality you want to keep. You probably will find aspects of your real, original personality you want back.
I don't know if early therapy to reintegrate your personality will save you a lot of pain from breaking down later with PTSD when the brainwashing wears off. It might decrease the severity.
Yeah, sure. Right now you're thinking, "I was not brainwashed, I don't have a problem."
You were, and you do. Therapy with a *competent* therapist to put your personality back together will make you less likely to relapse into whatever problems you had, because the cult personality's good and helpful aspects will be wholly part of you while the parts of your real personality that are individually you and *not* harmful to you will be back---basically, you won't snap back and forth like a rubber band over the next five to ten years.
You probably will have to wait until you're 18 and out from under your parents and the threat of being sent back, but find a county to live in that has a real good county mental health program based on ability to pay. And you'll probably need to hand them the book, because the techniques may well be new to the therapist, but being a basically competent therapist, he/she will be able to learn them and apply them to guide you into recovery.
Or, if you're just skeptical, remember "SIA: Strategic Interaction Approach" so when you realize you need some help, you can google it and you don't have to find your way out the hard way.
Basically, WWASPS is like poking a hole in the sidewall of a tire and putting a tire patch on it. When you get up to speed on life's freeway, it's gonna blow out on you. If you weren't broke, they broke you before sticking the patch on. If you were broken already, they smashed you down further before slapping the patch on.
But the patch is a quick fix. It wears off, and when it does, it leaves you really screwed.
You can find your way out of the worst of it on your own, but it takes time and pain. And tends to screw up your long-term finances and job prospects.
Get your sidewall fixed *right* before that patch blows on you. Usually takes about five years. And you get *better*, after awhile, with the patch gone, because the patch might as well be made of toxic waste---toxic to the soul--and I don't mean that in a religious sense.
When it blows, it's liable to leave you scared of therapists and paranoid about getting help. Use the positive effect of your cult personality's faith in therapy to get it fixed *now* rather than later and you will be a much happier person in the long run.
Because if you let it go until it blows, you're going to feel like your life's been on hold and you've been running in circles for years.
That kinda happened to me, not in quite the same way, when I postponed treatment for post-rape trauma. I ended up having to recover on my own. I wish I'd gotten competent therapy soon after so I wouldn't have made so many mistakes while I was locked into the mental prison of that damage.
Not *everything* you got out of there is bad. But you're going to want to do some environmental cleanup on the toxins and get the hole in your soul fixed right before you have that blowout.
Yeah, I'm sure you think I'm presumptious and full of myself. Maybe I am.
But remember SIA: Strategic Interaction Approach---because you might decide you need it someday.
Yeah, you're probably going to tell me now how I'm full of it and the program did you so much good.
I've heard it before---invariably from people who've been out of it for too little a span of time to have the bad aftereffects from the cheap and shoddy job they did kick in.
It's not residential treatment and therapy I have a problem with---It's lousy half-assed *hack* therapy. WWASPS treatment model frankly sucks rocks, and they apparently do a lousy job of screening treatment candidates to make sure they're even applying their treatment to the right patients if it even worked in the first place.
You shouldn't come out of an expensive and prolonged course of therapy needing *more* therapy to fix where the first bunch screwed up and left a ticking time bomb in your head.
The sad thing is it *could* be done right. There are *good* strategies for long-term modification of genuinely self-destructive behavior. Careful, compassionate, supportive ones *not* based on coercive persuasion techniques.
Doing it right takes empathy and compassion, which is harder to find in people than harshness and blame. Doing it right can be insistent and firm and sure---something you can't just laugh off or BS through---without the bad side effects of a harsh hack job.
But to do it right you not only have to be compassionate and empathic, you also have to know what the hell you're doing. It's harder work for the therapist and facility than therapeutic hack and slash.
It's also durable and far more permanent, nurturing the resilience of the person to better fit them to deal with hardships later in life when they come along---as they do for everyone.
Funtional Behavioral Analysis with a Behavior Intervention Plan and supportive therapy works a hell of a lot better than the crap they use.
*sigh*
Timoclea
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Obviously, that is all my opinion of WWASPS and their treatment model.
I learned Skinnerian behaviorism up one side and down the other in school. I know its strengths and weaknesses.
First, they're applying it badly, in my educated opinion.
Second, the psychological casualties from the kinds of things they do have been pretty well demonstrated in other environments using the same or similar techniques. I don't *need* to see a random statistical sample of former WWASPS kids to know the psychiatric casualties from the seminar techniques, as reported by parents who have attended and kids who have attended, are unacceptably high. The psychiatric casualty rates have been well demonstrated by other groups applying those techniques to large groups of people.
Third, the flaws in their model are totally unnecessary because there are things that work better.
Fourth, their state of being "frozen" in a bad treatment model illustrates some of the very flaws that make it such a bad model. It's an endless loop---application of the bad model brainwashes the *next* set of converts into absolute faith in the bad model, then they brainwash more people, and so on and so on and so on. If the bad model wasn't freezing them in a brainwashed state, they'd have been able to change their practices as better information in the field has yielded information on better techniques.
But they *don't* apply updated knowledge of what works and what doesn't---they keep doing the same screwy things over and over again despite fresh data about approaches that work better.
Yeah, I believe they "changed" you. But in my opinion, based on what I've been able to find out about their treatment model from multiple independent sources, it was a hack job.
Maybe you did need help. But you deserved less damaging and more lasting help than what you got---help that took advantage of all the things we've learned in the past quarter century about treating people with life function problems.
That's my opinion of WWASPS treatment model. That it's a minimum of a quarter century out of date, and some of it therapists have had reason to know is harmful for fifty years, and does unnecessary harm compared to the outcomes we could hope for with an up to date treatment model.
The good news is what you were left with is improvable. The bad news is that your results will probably be more work to cope with than if you'd had up to date treatment in the first place.
Again, all in my opinion.
Timoclea
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Timoclea,
When WWASPS opens a new gulag, they transfer a bunch of upper-level kids to the new place, to order the new kids around and act as junior staff. These upper level kids may be very close to graduation. That is why there may be Darrington graduates, even though it has only been open for a short time.
My opinion on WWASPS' "treatment model"-- all these behavioral theories may have been valid here if WWASPS' intention was indeed to help children. I highly doubt that that is their real intention. WWASPS is a cult. It exists to draw money out of the faithful and garner power and influence, in order to make new converts. Nothing more, nothing less. That's just my own opinion on the matter.
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On 2005-04-25 10:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Timoclea,
When WWASPS opens a new gulag, they transfer a bunch of upper-level kids to the new place, to order the new kids around and act as junior staff."
In the case of Darrington they mostly came from Casa by the Sea. Dace very conveniently had a place he was just about to open just when his Mexican venture was raided.
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On 2005-04-07 13:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
The only people that think this way ar the ones that did not complete the program and want to find someway to comlain about it because they were ashamed of being there or are revengeful.
I know you probably believe that. Tell a lie often enough and you really do start to believe it. And that's one particular lie that's absolutely required for all students, parents, staff and facilitators. It could be better and more briefly stated like this "Do not entertain any doubt or criticizm of any kind."
But it just doesn't stand to reason, kid. You don't even know the people who you're talking about here. You can't possibly determine their knowledge base or experience, far less their motivations. Fact is, a good many Program critics are graduates, parents of graduates and former staff. Others are actual psyche professionals who know something about how the Program works. You can't really argue successfully in favor of the Program, so (in order to maintain workingness) you have to dismiss them all w/o consideration. Makes for a lonely, sad life that does.
Whenever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.
Thomas Jefferson: Kentucky Resolutions, 1798
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Isn't Darrington in some old motel complex with a large security fence around it? Isn't it amazing what holes in the ground they can use!
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My daughter's boyfriend was recently placed in Darrington, we have appealed to his and family and brought them all sorts of evidence about the type of place that it is. My husband and I are trying to think of ways to get in there. Is there any hope for our friend? Does anybody know what kind of security they have and what the set is?
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To the lady whose daughter's boyfriend is incarcerated at Darrington: I don't think that there's much you can do, not being related to that kid. Try contacting ISAC (www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org)), though-- they have a lot of experience in getting kids out of these places, and they may be able to help. Keep on trying to get his family to do the right thing. Good luck.
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Wasn't Dace Goulding once affiliated with the now-defunct Paradise Cove in Samoa?
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Unfortunately his family seems to relish the fact that he could possibly be physically hurt. We only live and hour and a half way and thought about going out there with a bunch of our very large, very tough redneck friends and put a little fear into them, which we could easily do, the down side is we would probably end up in jail, which wont do my two kids at home any good. THIS IS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING. I dont think there is any kid that deserves to be there. I have written the ACLU and sent an e-mail to ISAC. He was "enrolled" this past saturday, so I imagine he is going through the worst of it right now, My husband and I are going to become very active in trying to get these places shut down, or at the very least regulated and monitored. Kids need more adults on their side and parents need to take more repsosiblity for their kids actions. :flame:
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All I can say is keep trying. My son was put in Casa by the Sea by his (alcoholic and abusive) father, not by me (his mom, divorced from the bad dad). As a result, Casa only confirmed to me that he was there, then no further contact. They never told him I'd contacted them, and refused to give him my address or phone number. The ONLY way he got out was when that hell-hole was raided and shut down by the Federales. Thank God for that.
His dad picked him up there and brought him back to his place. My son called me that day and was on a plane to my house within the week. He still has problems from that damned place.
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if you have ne questions abut arrington academy..please ask in this forum...."
yes i do ...i enrolled my son in this acadamy and now since im reading all this ....im flipping out :scared: if i did the right thing.....i know for sure that some of the staff are monitoring this board here too so ....i need some feedback about Darrington Acadamy ASAP
oh yeah one more thingy ....why the heck will nobody register ....and only show up as ANON. ????
[ This Message was edited by: D?????? on 2005-04-29 16:30 ]
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On 2005-04-29 16:27:00, D?æ???? wrote:
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if you have ne questions abut arrington academy..please ask in this forum...."
yes i do ...i enrolled my son in this acadamy and now since im reading all this ....im flipping out :scared: if i did the right thing.....i know for sure that some of the staff are monitoring this board here too so ....i need some feedback about Darrington Acadamy ASAP
oh yeah one more thingy ....why the heck will nobody register ....and only show up as ANON. ????
[ This Message was edited by: D?æ???? on 2005-04-29 16:30 ]"
Read this, to get an idea of the kind of people who are now taking care of your son:
http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.html#darrington (http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.html#darrington)
And this, to get an idea of the organization you're dealing with:
http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps.html (http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps.html)
Get your son out of there as fast as you can. Whatever problems he has now, a WWASP facility will only make things worse. Far worse.
As for the anonymous posts-- some people, like me, choose not to register and post anonymously instead.
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oki ....but who are you ??and in what position are you to tell me to get him out :question:
where u a student or just a friend of someone who is in there ? or a parent ?
like to talk to ya overe the phone or email
please email me @ detleg@gmail.com[ This Message was edited by: D?????? on 2005-04-29 16:57 ]
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On 2005-04-29 16:54:00, D?æ???? wrote:
"oki ....but who are you ??and in what position are you to tell me to get him out :question:
where u a student or just a friend of someone who is in there ? or a parent ?
like to talk to ya overe the phone or email
please email me @ detleg@gmail.com[ This Message was edited by: D?æ???? on 2005-04-29 16:57 ]"
I'm simply a person who have researched this organization and who is familiar with the program they are offering. I am telling you to get him out based on what I know about these places and about WWASP. ALL of WWASP's programs are highly abusive. Their "treatment" program was developed out of a known cult, and it is claimed that WWASP itself is a cult-like organization. Many of their facilities have been shut down by the authorities (a list of WWASP facilities that have been shut down is available on the ISAC site).
I'll email you.
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More than likely, you didnt make the right choice sending your son to a program - and I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. You should get him out ASAP and tell him right away that you will believe ANYTHING he has to say, and listen.
I helped with Chi3 getting her girl out of Carolina Springs Academy, also in South Carolina. Ask her if she regrets pulling her out!
Furthermore... why does your son need a program anyway? Have you spoken to him? Could he possibly tell you or ANYONE if he is being abused? What if he needs a doctor? Can he contact at all, even if someone is monitoring a phonecall or censoring his mail?
All of these questions *HAVE* To be answered, becuase thats YOUR CHILD in that program! The optimist thinks that this is the best of all possible worlds, and the pessimist knows it.
-- J. Robert Oppenheimer
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D?æ???? you sound like someone who really cares about their child. I'm not here to tell you that you're a horrible parent for wanting what's best for your son, but you owe it to him to know exactly everything that's going on where he's at. You should be honest with yourself and ask if making your decision to send him there out of desperation and fear. If the main reason you send him there is because "you didn't know what else to do" or "he could end up dead / insane / in jail" then you should get him out of the program as fast as possible.
If your intent is to keep your child in A program no matter what a few red flags to look out for are:
- Using food as an incentive / punishment
- Using a "cool down" room
- Restricting access to the outside world
- Censoring letters (You may not know this is happening)
- Sparse phone calls, and revoking communication between you and your son should he get 'out of line'
- Revoking rights to go to class
- Keywords like "tough love", "Behavioral Modification", and "breaking them down to build them back up again"
Something to keep in mind though, is that even in totally beneficial rehab centers (I assume you sent him there for drug use) involuntary treatment seldom works for very long. Even if he graduates the program and is a model student it is a VERY likely possibility that he will try them again, and this time much harder substances. (increasing with how abusive the program might be, and how long he's trapped)
Until he has the desire within himself on his own to change, you're probably waiting your money that could be better spent towards a good education later on in life. If you take anything at all from what I'm saying it's this. Children do grow up. It might be a bit rough but families are not supposed to be easy. He has free will and he should be able to use it. Most of these programs try to take it away from them and replaces it with rules on how to think.
So, think about what's best for your son, investigate it more. Hear from BOTH sides, not just what the educational consultant and schools have to say. Talk to him, hear what he wants. Ultimately it's his life in there and if it was you, I think you'd want to have a voice in the matter.
I hope this helps.
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Hi
ok..i appreciate ur guys help .....one thing is, that i was in a simmilar place like this when i was a child ....and it was horrific ....so i know what its like to be ....what i can't believe is that ...they can run such an Institution here in America and get away with such thing ....so I also have my doubts about whats going on behind those doors[ This Message was edited by: D?????? on 2005-04-30 05:47 ]
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I can't believe that if you've been through a "horrific" experience as a child with this crap that you would even CONSIDER sending YOUR OWN kid off to a possibly similar situation. GO GET YOUR DAMN KID!
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The above was me, forgot to login.
I don't mean to come across so nasty but I was in one of those places as a kid too. I've also got a couple of teenagers myself and have been through quite a bit with both of them. NEVER, EVER EVER[/b] would I even entertain the thought of sending them away somewhere. There's just too much potential for abuse in ANY of those places where the staff or higher up kids have complete control over other kids. It attracts and breeds control freaks and cult gurus. Please, remember what you went through and go get your child.Men had better be without education than be educated by their rulers.
--Thomas Hodgskin
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what was i suppost to do ?? lock him up ?? in the house ???
he was violent, towards us and others ...put himself and others in Danger !!!Drug and Alcohol abuse ...stealing.... lying...u name it ...we lost control about him...3 days ago he sneaked out of the window at 1 am and got himself some beer got drunk and wrecked his car !!!
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I understand your feelings, honestly I do. I've been through very similar situations with my kids. But, you can't FORCE them to change. You really can't...no matter what you do, you just can't. If you really have a serious problem with violence with him (and I don't mean the normal kind of kid stuff) then obviously you need to seek help, but putting him into a potentially violent situation won't really help HIS violence now, will it?
Wrecked his car? Guess he doesn't have a car to go party in anymore does he? When he starts to feel the brunt of NATURAL consequences for his actions he may start to realize that he needs to re-assess things.
You say you lost control of him. You never had it in the first place, nor should you have. Your job is NOT to control you kid. Its to help guide him through life.
You're looking for help for your kid. That's fine, but as I've seen Antigen write before....First, do no harm!!!
Sorry if I came across as a bitch, it wasn't intended that way. I really do wish you luck with your son. The nightmare times with my kids were just that for me, a nightmare so I understand the fear and frustration.Just because you do not take an interest in politics, doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.
PERICLES (430 BC)
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If you question the program you selected for your son, contact Buzzkill from this forum. She seems to be fairly level headed and has knowledge of many programs. The reason people stay as anon on this board is because the moderator has no problem releasing your information to whomever she sees fit as long as it furthers her cause. Being anon doesn't completely protect you either. I am a parent that had a child like you. It is not easy, but also, this is not the place to seek counsel. Find others in your community and see what they have done. Check with local youth emergency shelters and see where they reccomend. Or contact Buzzkill. She has had both positive and negative experiences with programs.
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On 2005-04-30 06:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
" The reason people stay as anon on this board is because the moderator has no problem releasing your information to whomever she sees fit as long as it furthers her cause.
Bullshit!!! Absolute fucking BULLSHIT!I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way.
--Robert Frost, American poet
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sorry, experienced it myself!
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Really? When and where did she give you away and how the hell would it "further her cause"? :roll:
You know, too many weirdos out there. At least with you people I know WHY you are weird!!!
Kady
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All you have to do is look thru many threads and find that she has no problem posting cities and states of posters that have asked to stay anon. that is what happened to us.
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She posted the city and state that your posts were coming from? WOW! Guess you were the only one in that particular city and state that used a computer huh? Did she post your name or IP address?
I'll ask again, how exactly would that "further her cause"?Homeschool is self regulating. The school board is not going to have illiterate useless people living in their homes forever if they don't have a working education policy.
--Sisterbluerose
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when a conversation is going posting city and state can reveal who the anon is to others involved. Especially if you live in a small community.
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OK, don't agree but OK. Now, HOW does this "further her cause"?????
Religion is all bunk.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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To stir controversy and to assist those that agree with her point of view that all programs and all parents that seek help thru a program are evil.
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Well, that just tells me how very little you know about her or this site if you really believe that.
By 1940 the literacy figure for all states stood at 96 percent for whites. Eighty percent for blacks. Notice for all the disadvantages blacks labored under, four of five were still literate. Six decades later, at the end of the 20th century, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress say 40 percent of blacks and 17 percent of whites can't read at all. Put another way, black illiteracy doubled, white illiteracy quadrupled, despite the fact that we spend three or four times as much real money on schooling as we did 60 years ago.
--Vin Suprynowicz
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Just stating my experiences! I do believe that others posting here should know that anon doesn't really mean anon.
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also, is there ever an excuse to post city and state of an anon?
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I agree. Everybody ought to understand that anon doesn't really mean anon. If I blew your cover at some point, I'm sincerely sorry. It was not my intention. I can think of a couple of times where people claimed to know a family in Texas, for example, but were not anywhere near there.
But registering a username instead of using the default anon profile wouldn't make any difference anyway. All it does is to save readers the trouble of trying to guess which anon said what.
[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce
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I was just wondering if anyone had information as to what lengths these places go to, to get back kids that have escaped? My daughter's boyfriend, apparently "escaped" from Darrington on Sunday. The Grandparents called to threaten me with being arrested if I didn't turn him if he showed up at my house. Their threats really don't hold any water with me. I will help in everyway I can. Anyway, they called back a very short while later and left a message with my son, i was home they just don't have the guts to talk to me themselves, that he was caught and going to Jamaica. There story doesn't really hold true to me, but any info about these kind of situations would be great - thanks
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It is very likely true that the boy is going to Jamaica if he was caught.
Darrington is a WWASP facility - and WWASP facilities often send the "troublesome" kids to Tranquility Bay in Jamaica.
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I don't doubt that, my doubt lies in whether or not he has actually been caught. I wanted to knwo how far they go to catch these kids. I am trying to figure out if the cowardly family was lying to get me to back off. :???:
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On 2005-05-02 10:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't doubt that, my doubt lies in whether or not he has actually been caught. I wanted to knwo how far they go to catch these kids. I am trying to figure out if the cowardly family was lying to get me to back off. :???: "
WWASP facilities are often located in poor rural areas, in which the local population becomes dependant on the gulag as an employer. In Jamaica and Montana, locals are offered money for turning in escaped inmates. I imagine it is the same in Blue Ridge, GA. I hope for his sake that he is still out there, and that he has managed to get far, far away from that place.
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If you think he is still "out there" be sure to check with the homeless shelters and leave a message for him to call you.
Check with hospitals and do the same.
Even the jails.
Consider placing an add in the personals section of the news papers. He might notice it if he is trying to look for work or shelter.
Good luck.
I hope you find him first.
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Our next step is to get any attorney. As he is 16 1/2 they cannot refuse him an emancipation hearing. We will be filing papers on his behalf. It doesn't matter if he is in Georgia or Jamaica, they will have to produce him, unharmed :exclaim:
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On 2005-05-02 14:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Our next step is to get any attorney. As he is 16 1/2 they cannot refuse him an emancipation hearing. We will be filing papers on his behalf. It doesn't matter if he is in Georgia or Jamaica, they will have to produce him, unharmed :exclaim: "
That's an excellent idea. Even if it won't work, it would mean the world to him to know that there's someone on the outside fighting for his release.
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I have researched quite a bit about laws regarding kids over the age of 16 and HE HAS A SAY in where he wants live and be. Basically what it amounts to at this point is kidnapping, even if it was his parents that did it. We encouraged him to go home to his parents and try and get along etc, he went with them without a fight,and then they tricked him into getting into the car, they put the child locks on and would not let him out, it took 3 goons to get him into Darrington. This all information told to me by the family, so it can't be denied. All we have to do is get it before a judge and a judge has to hear him because of his age, it may take some time but it will happen.
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I thought familes weren't supposed to divulge any information about their kids being in these places? Our friends family just can't seem to stop calling. I know it is to try and upset us over what has happened, it just eats away at them that I don't give the reaction they are looking for! - Oh well Darrington Academy, you have some people that just can't seem to comply just so they can try and gloat :grin:
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On 2005-04-30 06:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just stating my experiences! I do believe that others posting here should know that anon doesn't really mean anon."
Ah, the old "stating my experience"---the wonderful Program-speak for, "I'm going to throw around a bunch of insults and allegations now and I want you to *thank* me instead of telling me to fucking go to hell."
Go to hell, asshole.
"Stating my experience" my ass.
I swear if I hear that mealy-mouthed crap one more time I'm going to scream.
I try to generally be reasonable with people. I don't always succeed, but I try.
But I have no patience at all with people who are total insulting bastards to other people and then try to hide behind a stupid bit of jargon to be rude and obnoxious and not expect others to respond to their rudeness in kind.
You're rude, you prick, and you deserve for people to be as nasty as you are right back at you.
"My experience."
Grow the hell up. Part of *my* growing up is that I don't tend to let people get by with that crap without hearing exactly what I think of it, and them.
Timoclea
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Sorry to everyone *other* than the asshole for my outburst, but that "my experience" crap the program advocates throw around has gotten on my last nerve.
T.
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have you ever visited the facilities or are you just a "never been there, but I know all."
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In my experience of you.... My feedback to you is...
this is how every sentence begins at the program
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I can't help but wonder of all of you that are against this place...have any of you actually been there...talked with any of the staff...or checked with the county to see if any reports have been made?? I just wonder how much you really know about this place since you all have such strong opinions.
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Yeah..... keep believing that. I was at a WWASP facility for close to two years...
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I don't say I believe anything...I am just curious where all this info comes from...personal expirience in this school or program or whatever it is called or just people who are assuming things??
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Ever been to Cuba? Neither have I. But I know a lot of people who have been there and who risked life and limb and sacrificed much to get out.
Now, you could opine that there's nothing at all wrong w/ life in Cuba. But I just dare you to try and make the case in downtown Miami.
Same here. No, neither you nor I have ever been through a WWASP program. And yet we have a good deal of information about what goes on in them, who runs them, their histories and reems and volumes of formal and informal complaints about them. If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
--Thomas Jefferson
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I was enrolled at darrington academy if neone has ai im hidinoutforsp07 AND i will tell u nething and all i know and help you with all i can...
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On 2005-05-05 10:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I can't help but wonder of all of you that are against this place...have any of you actually been there...talked with any of the staff...or checked with the county to see if any reports have been made?? I just wonder how much you really know about this place since you all have such strong opinions."
I've heard enough people who have personally encountered Dace Goulding to know I don't want him in my home state.
Since it just started in November, Darrington, as far as I'm concerned, is just another "move the facility, change the name, keep the Program the same, and hire the same old people to run it" example of the Program's strategy for decades.
Casa got shut down, Dace had to go somewhere, so he came here. We don't want him.
Well, I take that back. I would have no problem with Dace living in my community as an auto-mechanic, a plumber, a computer programmer, an engineer, or any job that does *not* involve teen residential care or patient/client care involving any relationship of trust.
Darrington's *own contract* says that they ship kids to Tranquility Bay in Jamaica---and we all know what *that* place is like---if they don't toe the line in Blue Ridge, Georgia.
Nice try.
These places move to new towns when they shut down, and change the names and reopen, precisely to get away from the track records they had in the *old* towns.
Didn't work. Dace Goulding's bad reputation follows him. WWASPS bad reputation follows it.
Timoclea
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While Casa by the Sea was still opened,Dace had opened a "school" in California called Bell Academy. Bell was requeste by State officials to become properly licensed to operate in California. they would not,therefore they were asked to do business elsewhere.
One would wonder why does the organization not want to be properly licensed ?
Anon, you are new at acquiring information about this organization.It wil be come apparent to you too when you talk honestly with your child with out staff standing over his/ her shoulder.
Good luck.
BTW Dace's personal thug ,jason f is under the microscope in New York for the many allegations against his Ivy Ridge. My my my what a coincidence? Once a thug, always a thug.
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On 2005-05-05 20:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was enrolled at darrington academy if neone has ai im hidinoutforsp07 AND i will tell u nething and all i know and help you with all i can..."
I would very much like to speak to you, we have a family friend in there- I will look for you on AIM - I am usually only online during the day - try and sign on soon.
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I still wonder if any of you have actually visited this school. Other than the kid who can't spell...who obviously needs to be in school
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Or, who chooses IM spelling in a casual environment. *I* understood him.
Our nation's founding fathers "couldn't spell" either.
I think that instead of a "development" in English, standardized spelling may turn out to be merely a phase.
It's not so much the kids that are driving the move to a descriptive rather than prescriptive spelling philosophy, it's globalization. Hiberno English, Australo English, British English, and American English are all coming together in one big clash. The increasing number of people who learn English as a second language for trade purposes and internet communication purposes cannot fathom our bizarre spelling rules and it has become rude and ethnocentric to criticize their spelling on the Internet.
The antipathy to spelling flames on the Internet for English as a second language speakers has spread to dyslexic speakers, and young speakers, and now eventually to everyone.
I think it's a good thing. *I* have professional-level grammar and spelling skills because I *am* a professional. I write for money. Other people shouldn't be silenced just because they don't want to take the time to run to a dictionary or run a spell checker in a highly casual environment.
The only reason I haven't driven up to Blue Ridge, driven past Darrington, and talked to the townspeople about it is because a) I have a life and b) I couldn't get out and walk around the grounds and see what I could see *anyway* as I'd doubtless be busted for trespassing.
That fact--that anyone critical of WWASPS attempting to "visit" would be subject to trespassing or harrasment allegations makes your question highly disingenuous.
*However* if the management wants to invite me up to let me wander around freely shooting photos of whatever I choose to share with the nice people over at ISAC, I only live a couple of hours away and I'd be glad to oblige. As long as the timing doesn't conflict with my teaching duties either homeschooling my daughter or assistant teaching down at the dojo.
What, no offer? Imagine that.
Timoclea
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Even though I'd expect the place to be spruced up that day, I'd go shoot the photos anyway because at least the kids would perhaps get *some* better treatment if only for that one day.
T.
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On 2005-05-06 10:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I still wonder if any of you have actually visited this school. Other than the kid who can't spell...who obviously needs to be in school"
If you have done any research regarding any WWASPS school, they really tend not to focus on education, or anything else that might be worth while in the real world; And not going there doesn't mean you can't be informed as to the practices of these so called schools. I have spent countless hours researching all information on both sides of the fence and have come down on the side that says these so called acadamies are a farce. Their ONLY concern is the all mighty dollar. If you read anything affiliated with them, especially the contracts, everything comes down to how much they money they can get from parents who get sucked in by their BS. What do they get for the $3000 to $4000 parents pay, room & board? Parents have to pay extra for therapy, $600.00 for uniforms and countless other things, that should be included in the heafty "tuition" they charge. I would say that you are the one that needs to do some "homework".
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PS: No one gets to "visit". It is not like going to a real school and asking to see the campus. They don't want anyone there without "permission", including parents, who should have the right to show up whenever they want to, why is that?
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just people who are assuming things
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Is that really all you have to say? Why don't you try and visit a school unannounced, especially if you have a family member enrolled. As with most things in life commmon sense will get you far and serve you well. If parents would do the research before they sent their kids to these kinds of places, in most cases, if they have any sort of intelligence and common sense, they would choose someplace else. There are reputable schools, that are accredited in their respective states by the state (not ones that are independant and are created just to help bolster the gulag camps) out their for their "at risk" teens. Even a good old fashioned REAL military school would be better, they teach discipline and respect, isn't that what most of these parents are looking for? It wouldn't be easy either, but at least they would get a real education and real prospects for the future.
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Well, I have a neighbor with a child in this school. They have an open door policy and I have driven her up there unannounced several times to check on her child spending 7-8 hours at a time at the school. I have never seen ANY of the stuff that y'all say is going on and as a matter of a fact we observed most of the students day and found them to be happy and well and safe and the staff to be firm but friendly and completely accepting of our observation and willing to answer any and all questions. Now, I do not doubt that there are other places who are in violation of all sorts of things but I feel that you are making unfair assumptions about a place that none of you have ever been to. Of course I do feel that every one has a right to thier own opinion as I do mine and I respect that but I thought I would share my expierence of Darrington with you.
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On 2005-05-07 06:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"...we observed most of the students day and found them to be happy and well and safe and the staff ...
Let me ask you this...you seem quite satisfied with your experience at Darrington, what brought you to this forum? You would have found this only by looking for information about the school. If your experience was good, what prompted your search? I am sure the school didn't encourage you to search the internet for information, nor your friend. It is, in fact, strongly discouraged, at the risk of getting the child expelled. They do monitor these sights, and if they find any of their happy parents on here, they will receive a phone call warning them. That is a proven fact.
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On 2005-05-07 08:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"They do monitor these sights, and if they find any of their happy parents on here, they will receive a phone call warning them. That is a proven fact."
That is nuts! Sounds like WWASP for sure. Out of curiosity, what could they do, what do they threaten them with?
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On 2005-05-07 06:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, I have a neighbor with a child in this school. They have an open door policy and I have driven her up there unannounced several times to check on her child spending 7-8 hours at a time at the school. I have never seen ANY of the stuff that y'all say is going on and as a matter of a fact we observed most of the students day and found them to be happy and well and safe and the staff to be firm but friendly and completely accepting of our observation and willing to answer any and all questions. Now, I do not doubt that there are other places who are in violation of all sorts of things but I feel that you are making unfair assumptions about a place that none of you have ever been to. Of course I do feel that every one has a right to thier own opinion as I do mine and I respect that but I thought I would share my expierence of Darrington with you."
Okay, you just gave yourself away.
*Nobody* but a Program Drone says "my experience of."
It's program speak that's just not used in the Real World.
I'm a professional writer, I *notice* details of how different people and different groups use language.
You are *either* a Program Parent lying outright *or* you are a Program Parent or still programmed former program kid who is taking liberties with the term "neigbor."
Busted!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
If Darrington is really so open, get me an assurance from the person in charge that I can come up and wander their facility--invited and without getting sued or arrested, taking pictures to post on the internet via distribution to various groups (like ISAC) that have websites that track RTCs, and I will drive up with my digital camera (I'm not a professional photographer, just a writer, homeschooling mom, and housewife).
Put your money where your mouth is. Get me an invite to come up some Saturday around ten-ish and, if my husband isn't working (he seldom works weekends) and can watch our daughter, I'll drive up (they're an hour away) and take photos.
Send me a private message and I will be glad to provide an address where they can send me a written invitation to visit and photograph their facility. Yes, I and everyone else will presume that they, like anyone, will be presenting their best face for the cameras. Still, enough people want photos that I'll do it anyway.
Put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise, your program protestations are very obviously quite empty.
If I stepped a toe across their property line without a written invitation from the management for my records I'd be arrested or sued or both, and everyone on here knows darned well I would--because I'm a critic of the methods reportedly used at typical behavior modification facilities.
I'm readily available by PM on Fornits. I live just an hour or two away from Darrington. I'm calling your bluff. I will need at least a week's notice prior to the invite date to make arrangements.
Timoclea The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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If I can find the thing, I also would be more than happy to bring my battery-operated tape recorder that uses mini-tapes (the dictaphone type of tape) and type up an interview.
It would *not* be published in any major newspaper--unless they offer, since I am a science fiction author and not a journalist. I do commentary that many people have liked well enough to suggest I seek a gig doing same, but I don't do columns for pay.
Still, while I would edit the interview for length and relevant content, because there would probably be more material than I was willing to type up, and I have never taken any journalism class, people who know me well know that even somebody I hated I would attempt to report on straight up and right down the middle.
I *would* seek commentary from program critics and survivors to balance the content.
If a news outlet offered to pick it up, either for pay or for a byline, I'd probably take them up on it and I'd want a signed release for the photos and interview saying you knew you were being recorded and I could use the stuff at my discretion and I would own the photos and content unrestrictedly.
But you can ask anybody on Baen's bar---even if I don't like somebody, if I'm talking about something that happened, I'm fairly good about sticking to the facts unless I am editorializing (which *is* usually what I do) and going straight up the middle on the facts.
If I quoted you or any of the students, I'd do it straight, just like if I was quoting for a research paper--same rules, straight brackets for inserted words, elipses where I edit out stuff, etc.
A straight interview and non-professional photo shoot from a critic is the best offer you're going to get from anyone.
I don't really need the money, and I'm not planning to actively shop it to magazines or newspapers, but I *am* a pro writer, so if some media outlet offered, I'd sell it at freelance rates, and you'd need to understand that up front.
Well, exception. Amy has contacted me about something else, and I *would* ask her if her people would be interested, etc. Which they might bite on if it's good and meets their standards, because there wouldn't be travel expenses because I'm local.
And you also need to understand that I *am* a critic and while I'll be what I believe is fair, fair has an unavoidable component of opinion.
There's the deal. If you are as open as you say, you'll take it. If you don't take it, the critics are going to know you aren't as open as you say.
You have my permission to print out my offer and forward it to the appropriate people at Darrington if you think there's any possibility of them following up.
Let me *also* say I expect imminent contract arrival on another collaborative novel and a solo series, and as an NYT bestselling author, even if *my* publisher unexpectedly declined, I anticipate no problem selling---hence even if I sold the article freelance, I expect it to be at a much reduced return on my writing time than I would get versus working on either the collaboration or the first series book, and would thus represent me taking a loss on my time. So it's about my personal interest in the issue, not money. I'd *take* a sale to defray my costs, but I'd make more money turning out more words, in the same time, on one of my novels in the works. Effectively, if I do it, even if it sells, I expect I'd be losing money on the deal.
Are you really that open? Put up or, well, you don't have to shut up, but the credibility you're seeking by saying you're so open would be shot.
You won't get a better deal.
And as a professional writer who might do columns someday, or do other freelance articles, I have a vested interest in being straight-up fair--within the context that I obviously have an opinion and a writer's opinion inevitably colors her work, no matter how carefully she tries to be fair. And, again, I *would* seek balancing comments from WWASPS critics. But I have an obvious vested interest, as a pro, in doing the piece straight.
Take it or leave it.
Timoclea
(Julie Cochrane, co-author with John Ringo, _Cally's War_, hit 31 on NYT hardcover fiction list for a week back in October)
Disclaimer: None of my writings on this subject represent the opinions of John Ringo or Baen Books or anyone's opinions but my own. Any resulting article would represent solely my own work on a freelance basis.
Every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid. To deny this, would be to affirm, that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers, may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid."
--Alexander Hamilton
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On 2005-05-07 11:46:00, Timoclea wrote:
You are *either* a Program Parent lying outright *or* you are a Program Parent or still programmed former program kid who is taking liberties with the term "neigbor."
Or they could be posting right from the Darrington location. Ya' just never know.There is something feeble and contemptible about a man who cannot face life without the help of comfortable myths.
--Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathemetician, and social critic
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Nobody* but a Program Drone says "my experience of."
Your expeirence must be limited. I am not a program parent, kid, or have anything to do with programs. I came here looking for religious view points and stuck around 'cause it's like a soap opera, addictive. But I often use the phrase in my experience.
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On 2005-05-08 09:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Nobody* but a Program Drone says "my experience of."
Your expeirence must be limited. I am not a program parent, kid, or have anything to do with programs. I came here looking for religious view points and stuck around 'cause it's like a soap opera, addictive. But I often use the phrase in my experience."
Lots of people use "in my experience."
Virtually *nobody* but program drones uses the phrase "my experience of."
We've had people post before who were the made-up alter-egos of program drones, trying to advocate for their program or system, so while I may be wrong, I simply don't believe you.
I've said up front who *I* am and why I'm interested in this issue---all over the site, basically.
Now, you can be anonymous if you want. But the downside of anonymity is that when you say you're *not* making up who you are, and you look like you *are*---well, you may not be believed.
Them's the breaks.
You can tell a lot about someone from how they write, and the words they choose, and how those words interact with the positions they take.
You walk like a duck and talk like a duck, so I just don't buy your allegation that you're really a fish. You have *some* sort of agenda wrt this industry. Everyone here does. You've advocated a program in rather glowing terms. You use program jargon. Maybe you *did* just pick up some habits of speech from your neighbor, but not likely.
Timoclea
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On 2005-05-07 08:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-05-07 08:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"They do monitor these sights, and if they find any of their happy parents on here, they will receive a phone call warning them. That is a proven fact."
That is nuts! Sounds like WWASP for sure. Out of curiosity, what could they do, what do they threaten them with? "
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On 2005-05-07 08:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-05-07 08:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"They do monitor these sights, and if they find any of their happy parents on here, they will receive a phone call warning them. That is a proven fact."
That is nuts! Sounds like WWASP for sure. Out of curiosity, what could they do, what do they threaten them with? "
There is a post from a man around page 2; After he posted this message on here, he recieved a phone call that very night from the administrators at Darrington or whereever. I am not sure exactly what they said to him personally, but he did pull his child out. This information is from a VERY reliable source, although it is not my place to disclose who that was. I do know that parents who "talk" get threatend with having their kids expelled, and if you read the contract, whether you pull your child or they expell them, you still have to pay. Not the same amount that you would have should the child have stayed, but still a good chunk. Once again, it all boils down to the money. I really couldn't tell you what else they might do, but I wouldn't be surprised if it had to do with money. Maybe someone else knows more details.
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I don't know what I did up there oooooppps!! :eek:
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all I hear is some person who keeps throwing around what a hot shot professional writer he/she is but is NEVER open to hear what other people think and feel...to be so smart you are really stupid and self absorbed in your own opinion...I was being a smart ass with my expierence of because you practically castrated someone for using that phrase in an earlier post...and if you want to see the school call them yourself...I OWE YOU NOTHING...and I will waste my time no more at this site with closed minded people like you who think they are ALWAYS right...go talk to yourself in the mirror...at least then you will have some one to listen to all the garbage you are putting out about things you know NOTHING about....last post...over and out!!!!
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I believe some touched a nerve :lol:
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On 2005-05-05 10:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I can't help but wonder of all of you that are against this place...have any of you actually been there...talked with any of the staff...or checked with the county to see if any reports have been made?? I just wonder how much you really know about this place since you all have such strong opinions."
Why would you have to wonder about that? Several people posting here have stated outright that they sent their kids to you. You even intimate that you know something about one of them. How dense can you be?He that will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not, is a slave.
--William Drummond (1585-1640)
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Temper, temper. Tsk tsk.
Nobody owes me jack squat, program drone. You're just in a snit because you didn't expect anyone to be willing or able to call your bluff.
And I ended up the person calling that bluff just because I happen to be more or less local to Darrington, that's all.
And you've exposed yourself again. If you know *soooo* much more about the program than me or anyone else here--enough to say I know "NOTHING ABOUT" it, then you aren't just a "neighbor" who just happened to drive a program mom up for a "visit."
Drone.
Timoclea
(Oh, and yeah, you're right---I brag all the time. I'm sure everyone here can tell you how every other word I say on everything is talking about my job and how I've done with it. Yep, all the time A-number-one braggart, you've sure got me pegged. :lol:)
The bible teaches that woman brought sin and death into the world, that she precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced. Marriage for her was to be a condition of bondage, maternity a period of suffering and anguish, and in silence and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all her material wants, and for all the information she might desire...Here is the Bible position of woman briefly summed up.
--Elizabeth Cady-Stanton
[ This Message was edited by: Timoclea on 2005-05-10 06:31 ]
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You know what I think you are?
I think you're a program parent who, at the time you posted it, really believed any of us could (but that none of us would) go up to Darrington and see what you believed you saw.
But whenever you're being "had" there's this little tiny awareness in the back of your head that knows you're being foolish, only you almost never listen to it because you're so afraid of whatever disaster the cult has convinced you is going to happen to you if you leave. (My parents' religion wasn't quite a cult, but it had enough of the features that I can relate.)
And so you decided to make what you said sound better by pretending to be just a "neighbor"--maybe you did drive up a neighbor who's also a program parent, too.
Then when I started talking cameras and tape recorders and articles and made it sound as "real" as possible (and I would have gone and done it if you'd set it up--it was a bona fide offer but would have been a real pain in the ass), that little awareness in the back of your head started your adrenaline pumping a bit and came farther forward in your head as you thought twice and realized that maybe Darrington really didn't want that done.
And then you had to back down by either going away silently or saying something, and you had to *almost* face that part of you really knew that they weren't nearly as open as you'd already publicly claimed, and another part of you felt guilty for bending the truth about your relationship to the program but still full of righteous indignation because most of you believes what you're saying----and because you were embarrassed and the choice was either admit what you (on some level) already know or get mad at me, you lashed out at me. And retreated with bad grace.
I might be wrong about some of the details, because at this point I'm building speculation on top of speculation, but I think I've probably mostly got the picture right.
You understated your connection to the Program (this program or *some* program), and you were embarrassed to be caught at it, and some part of you realized that there was no way in hell Darrington would want a critic up there with a camera and a tape recorder who was okay enough at putting what they saw into words that it might actually end up in print somewhere.
I reached that little voice of reality in the back of your head that you're so desperately ignoring, and it pissed you off.
You *could* just quit ignoring it.
TimocleaHistory gives us a kind of chart, and we dare not surrender even a small rushlight in the darkness. The hasty reformer who does not remember the past will find himself condemned to repeat it.
--John Buchan
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Timoclea
Have you ever talked to anyone at DA? Are you willing to post a solution for parents that have legitimately tried to assist their child? If you have the answers post them, so people don?t have to send their children to these schools. I know this isn?t going to stop you from posting negative ideas, although foul the language you spew and the incoherence in your writing, help everyone understand your level of reasoning.
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Love them. Support them. Hope for the best. But don't resort to coercion. The end doesn't justify the means. And, in the case of a teen gulag, the ends are quite often worse than any problem you set out to strong arm into compliance.
Be a paernt, is what I'm trying to get accross to you. You can't pay anybody to do that for you, no matter how much they charge or how pretty the words and images they use to get your money. The age of ignorance commenced with the Christian system.
--Thomas Paine, American revolutionary
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So you are saying let them rage. When I say give us a solution, I meant a real solution. Here are a few: Teach them young to have work ethic. Teach them young to be God fearing people. Spend time with them, and communicate with them. ...And you do all this, but they still continue to create legal and emotional nightmares for you, then... I doubt you have ever been there, but if so what then...? Lets be realistic, and recognize there are times when intervention is necessary. If you can understand this and understand there are families with these resources, then we must try to save our children from themselves.
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So you are saying let them rage. When I say give us a solution, I meant a real solution. Here are a few: Teach them young to have work ethic. Teach them young to be God fearing people. Spend time with them, and communicate with them. ...And you do all this, but they still continue to create legal and emotional nightmares for you, then... I doubt you have ever been there, but if so what then...? Lets be realistic, and recognize there are times when intervention is necessary. If you can understand this and understand there are families without a brother or sister to help, then we must try to save our children from themselves.
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ANY PLACE OR SHOULD I SAY CULT THAT TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY THEY DO.GOD DID NOT INTEND TO HAVE A HUSBAND HAVE MORE THAN ONE WIFE AT A TIME. AND I KNOW SOMEONE WHO (A BOY ) WHO WAS KICK OUT WITH OUT ANY MONEY , ONLY THE CLOTHS ON HIS BACK NO PLACE TO GO, HIS FAMILY COULD NOT HELP HIM OR THEY WERE KICKED OUT.THEY BRAINWASH YOU, I AM A SUPPORTER TO GET THESE COMMUNITY CULTS SHUT OUT OF OUR STATES. WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS IN OUR WORLD TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE IGNORENCE OF POLYGIMST. ITS ONLY OF THE DEVIL . ONE PERSON CAN NOT CONTROL ANOTHER . IT WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ANY PLACE OR SHOULD I SAY CULT THAT TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY THEY DO.GOD DID NOT INTEND TO HAVE A HUSBAND HAVE MORE THAN ONE WIFE AT A TIME. AND I KNOW SOMEONE WHO (A BOY ) WHO WAS KICK OUT WITH OUT ANY MONEY , ONLY THE CLOTHS ON HIS BACK NO PLACE TO GO, HIS FAMILY COULD NOT HELP HIM OR THEY WERE KICKED OUT.THEY BRAINWASH YOU, I AM A SUPPORTER TO GET THESE COMMUNITY CULTS SHUT OUT OF OUR STATES. WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS IN OUR WORLD TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE IGNORENCE OF POLYGIMST. ITS ONLY OF THE DEVIL . ONE PERSON CAN NOT CONTROL ANOTHER . IT WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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What you don't seem to realize, Anon, is that these behavior mod programs can be far more dangerous than letting the kid rage (as you put it) Never mind the pretty lies the brainwashed salesmen tell you.
You often hear that no one can force another to change their behavior or belifs. The person has to have the will to change. That's not precisely true. You just have to break their will.
If you don't have the heart to do that to your own child (and I'm hoping you don't, though I've met some Program parents w/ a sadistic bent) then you have no business paying someone else to do it.
There is no sure fire, guaranteed way to force your kid to be and act like whatever your ideal my be. Anyone who tells you differently is not telling the truth. They mey believe it's true when they say it, even w/ all their hearts. But it still isn't true. You might just as well drink gallons of expensive magical mineral water. Your belief that it will make you well or smarter or whatever doesn't make it so. It just makes slick salesmen wealthy.
But, in this case, we're not talking about your personal choices w/ your own body. We're talking about a radical, often harmful, unproven "therapy" you inflict on your nearly grown child very much against their will.
You want to talk about legal and domestic nightmares? Walk a mile in my shoes! I never found a magical mystery cure when my daughter scared hell out of us. We just did exactly what I advise others to do. We kept the door open and, when she decided she'd had enough of the BS, she came back home. I don't know if the damage done is more or less than what she would have gotten in a program. I do know that 1) she was able to escape it the minute she decided to screw up the courage and sneak out w/ the psycho boyfriend was sleeping and 2) there's no confusion over who did what.
A student burst into his office. "Professor Stigler, I don't believe I deserve this F you've given me." To which Stigler replied, "I agree, but unfortunately it is the lowest grade the University will allow me to award."
--Professor Stigler
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What these parents don't seem to understand is abusive programs are ruled by fear and intimidation. Kids are not taught to learn from their mistakes ... they are taught that until they LEARN TO LOVE THE PROGRAM, they will never go home.
That's some message isn't it? LOVE YOUR ABUSERS.
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On 2005-05-24 18:23:00, Antigen wrote:
You want to talk about legal and domestic nightmares? Walk a mile in my shoes! I never found a magical mystery cure when my daughter scared hell out of us. We just did exactly what I advise others to do. We kept the door open and, when she decided she'd had enough of the BS, she came back home. I don't know if the damage done is more or less than what she would have gotten in a program. I do know that 1) she was able to escape it the minute she decided to screw up the courage and sneak out w/ the psycho boyfriend was sleeping and 2) there's no confusion over who did what.
Ginger, you have an uncanny knack for cutting through the bullshit. :silly: Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proven innocent.
--Robert A. Heinlen, American science-ficiton author
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I am a Teacher at Darrington and have visited there guite frequently. First of all, the administration there is excellent. They truly care about the well being and the growth of every individual. I have taught in public school for eight years. After teaching at such a remarkable school such as Darrington, I will regret returning to public school. I see passion in the way the students are cared for. The students get all the help in classes they want and more. I do not know of a public school in which a teacher can sit with a student one on one for 20 plus minutes daily and make sure they understand a concept. I do know that some of these students are sent to school for different reasons, but after a student spends about a month or so (if the student cares about themselves) I really see improvement. The student goes from being a child to a remarkable youth. I hate that you did not have that experience. Perhaps you were immature and not ready to turn your life around and accept the help and structure in life you deserved. Did you ever graduate? Did you stay out of trouble when you returned? Have you been in jail since? I hope that you read this carely. You will not find a facility in which all staff members care for a student and urge them to succeed in school and in life. By the way, if you need the real pictures of the awesome facility, volleyball courts, basketball court, the school itself, you need not hide or drive by to take them. They don't do the facility justice.
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WOW another "TEACHER" who can not spell.
Just what we need in this society of ours!
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That wasn't a teacher, it was a Troll. "I hope you read this carely" is far too ignorant a phrase for educated folk. I smell a Utah hick with inbred Litchfield blood lines.