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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Teen Advocates USA on March 24, 2005, 01:23:00 PM
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It's the "wilderness experience" at its most extreme--rehabilitation of wayward teenagers delivered with the in-your-face discipline of a boot camp. But in the past five years at least four young people have died, the victims of alleged beatings, starvation, and emotional abuse, and the so-called therapy is looking more like murder.
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The long-distance connection was good, but as Sally Bacon stood in her Phoenix kitchen, she couldn't make sense of what she was hearing. A month before, she'd sent her 16-year-old son, Aaron, to a Utah wilderness school called North Star Expeditions. Now a disembodied voice from North Star was telling her, "Aaron is down. We can't get a pulse."
"What does that mean, you can't get a pulse?"
"Aaron's been airlifted to the hospital in Page, Arizona," came the reply. "Call your husband. He's been given the hospital phone number." Sally frantically dialed Bob Bacon at his office. Sounding numb, he repeated what he knew: Aaron had collapsed in the desert. It was a freak accident. There was nothing anyone could do. Their son was dead.
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http://teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/foreveryoung.html (http://teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/foreveryoung.html)
Special Message to Parents:
Please remember that no program is a good program if your child's attitude and behavior is subject to being controlled and/or changed in an environment ruled by FEAR.
If you believe or even suspect your child is at risk of abusive care and treatment (including being deprived of an education) please take the appropriate and necessary steps to protect and enforce your child's safety and well-being.
Thank You,
Barbe Stamps
TAUSA
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.c ... Ahome.html (http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/TAUSAhome.html)
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Every parent who is considering wilderness should read the Bacon court document as a warning of what could happen to your child.
http://courtlink.utcourts.gov/opinions/ ... r12_98.htm (http://courtlink.utcourts.gov/opinions/appopin/fisher12_98.htm)
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This one quote in here stands out for me:
From the newsreport based on the mother's observations:
"But, says Sally, after talking to several parents whose kids had been helped by the program, "We were given a lot of hope that North Star was going to build Aaron's self-esteem. I knew it would be rigorous, but I pictured him out there with God and nature, hiking all day, discussing his issues with therapists around the campfire at night.""
We still here from some people that "Their" kids had been helped and some of these are good programs. Yet in this so called good program, recommended by parents whose kids did do well, a child died.
That should be a wake up call. Even in "good" programs, there is the potential for a child to die because of the nature of the program itself.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!
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That should be a wake up call. Even in "good" programs, there is the potential for a child to die because of the nature of the program itself.
Did you read what they did to him? If this was a "good" program (even with the quotes) then what is a bad one like?
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Sorry that was me earlier and I guess I didnt write clearly. I do not believe there are good programs, I think the whole premise has major flaws.
However, many parents are saying "my kid was helped", "this program is better than all THOSE ones" and they sincerely believe what they are saying.
The reality is there is always the potential in these programs for things to spiral out of control because of the philosophies behind them ie. Kids complain, kids lie, kids manipulate, they must be broken down to conform etc.
I fail to see how any normal person can look at a child who has lost 27 pounds in a few weeks and is now having nose bleeds and then come to the conclusion that he is faking it. The philosophy behind the programs however makes that a potentail even though it makes little sense to us as outsiders.
Many people still need to see that even with recommendations from happy customers, unless policies and philosophies change within the industry, there is and always will be the potential of a child DYING in the course of so called treatment even when it is succesful for some of the participants. All of these people seem to be saying that it is mearly "sad" that Aaron Bacon and other kids like him died instead of seeing it for the utter tragedy it really is which must be such a slap in the face of those whose loved ones have died in the programs.
We instead need to see the deaths as what they are ...the failure of an industry built on pseudo psychology and a bully mentality to do what it promises.
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Aaron Bacon's death and treatment was so horrific and cruel. No one should have to die that way. He was essentially starved to death - dying from a perforated ulcer from the acid eating away at his empty stomach. Laws were broken and no one cared. What continues to amaze me is that only one person served any jail time. The court transcript shows how he died while staff mocked him and made fun of him - how awful to die that way. They really should make a movie about his experience for all to see just how horrific "tough love" can be.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.
--Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire", French author and playwright
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The State of Utah has turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to the maltreatment (and even deaths) of children at the hands of the teen-help industry at least as far back as 1990, when Michelle Sutton was killed while participating in a wilderness therapy program called Summit Quest.
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.c ... utton.html (http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/RememberingMichelleSutton.html)
Excerpt:
"... as Cartisano's financial and legal difficulties mounted, the Challenger admissions director, a woman named Gayle Palmer, quit to start her own wilderness therapy company, Summit Quest Inc. Palmer knew little about the backcountry or therapy beyond what she'd gleaned from pitching Challenger courses.
"But Palmer got tired of working for Steve," says Doug Nelson, "so she hung out her shingle".
"Five students were enrolled in the inaugural Summit Quest course, which cost $13,900 for 63 days. Palmer sent the group to the arid Shivwits Plateau, near the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, supervised by two young counselors who were paid minimum wage. During the first several days, Michelle Sutton, a pretty 15 year old who had enrolled voluntarily to regain self-esteem after an alleged date rape, complained repeatedly of exhaustion, sunburn, and nausea. As the group hiked through the desert, she vomited up most of the water she tried to drink and pleaded that she could not go on. According to counselors' field reports gathered by state and federal investigators, the lead counselor had been ordered to ignore such talk as "manipulative behavior". "You have been sloughing off," she told Sutton. "You are now being warned". On May 9, 1990, during an ascent of 7,072 foot Mount Dellenbaugh, Sutton's speech became slurred, she cried out that she couldn't see, and then she lost consciousness and died. Palmer insisted to officials that Sutton had succumbed to a drug overdose, but the the coroner found no drugs in her system and determined the cause of death to be dehydration."
Source: LOVING THEM TO DEATH by Jon Krakauer
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Utah does turn a blind eye to the hundreds of abusive programs in the state. Thousands of children are abused daily - Utah is the home of institutionalized child abuse.
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I really think it's about culture shock.
I just started reading Marilyn Manson's book. Poor kid and his cousin used to have to kneel on a broom stick for minor infractions (like not finishing a meal, mouthing off, etc.) And that was under the direction of his grandmother and his messed up grandpa.
I don't think that what these programs do is far at all out of line w/ 'community standards' in some of the communities that welcome them. I do think it's so far out of line w/ the commonly accepted reality that those of us who have strolled through this little corner of the Twilight Zone have real trouble even getting anyone to believe us.
I don't think Utah is unaware of what goes on in these places. I think they know it full well, approve of it wholeheartedly and just view the rest of us as poor, unenlightened outsiders who can't understand.
Whenever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.
Thomas Jefferson: Kentucky Resolutions, 1798
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I read this story and wept for this young boy.
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I grew up with Aaron and I knew him well right up until the day of the phone calls. What you should realize is Aaron died the last day of March and most of us heard on April fools day that our friend was gone. I am currently 26 (15 then) and I think about Aaron (who would be 27 now and was 16 then) all the time. High school graduation, College graduation, the marriages of our friends, the birth of our friends children, every time i see his Mom and the hurt she carries.
When you read his parents speak of wanting to help him, that is what they were trying to do. What i hope every parent considers is if you let your child go live with anyone for several weeks without you being able to contact them think of everything you would want to know. Would you let your child stay with strangers for several weeks?
Every camp is different, every rehab is different, but with all of them you are literally putting your child life in the hands of strangers!!
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Thank you so much for posting.
Aaron's story is one that touched me personally on a very deep level. I think of him a lot - and I never knew him.
I am truly greatful you took the time to express some small part of how great a loss this young man's life was.
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I will never forget Aaron -- His story also touched me and many others. His terrible and senceless death is an example of what should never happen again. He continues to motivate all who have joined in this effort to end the abuse. I never knew Aaron but I still cry when I read about what happened to him and his family.
If TCs were interested in treating substance abuse, half the time they'd tell mom "Sorry ma'am, we can't help him. He's not an addict, he's just an asshole.
--GregFL
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I again read Aaron's story and the court Opinion spelling out what happened to him during the last days of his life. I, too, never knew Aaron, but my heart goes out to him and what he must have suffered those last few miserable weeks of his short life. There is no reason for this sort of senseless death. The counselors had no right to ignore his pleas for help, his complaints of pain, they had no right to keep him for eating, they had no right to keep him from having a warm sleeping bag when the temperature dropped to below freezing temperatures, they had no right to make fun of him and to ridicule him, they had no right![ This Message was edited by: MomCat on 2006-03-12 18:33 ]
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This child, like the others, should not have died. Our hearts go out to him and his family. It is stories like Aaron's and so many others, as well as the abuse and the neglect that has gone on, and continues to go on, that gives us the strength to keep on fighting for the kids. I applaud everyone's efforts.
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%2010 ... utdoor.htm (http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%2010-95%20Outdoor.htm)
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20Oregonian.htm (http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20Oregonian.htm)
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20DEATH%20death%20trip.htm (http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20DEATH%20death%20trip.htm)
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20DEATH%20Bacon.htm (http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20DEATH%20Bacon.htm)
Court opinion:
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20Co ... 0Bacon.htm (http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20Court%20opinion%20Bacon.htm)[ This Message was edited by: MomCat on 2006-03-15 07:04 ]
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Here are some of the others, I am sure there are more that we have yet to discover:
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20Li ... mitted.htm (http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20List%20of%20Names%20-names%20omitted.htm)
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Not sure what North Star Expedition is, but I cannot stand "Survival type programs" which I believe are similar, and mine was run out of Utah. They drop you off in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night. You are forced to leave your pack which consists of pre-measured food, and a grey wool blanket the size of an airline blanket, and twined shut. The twine serves as your backpack straps.
You share a cantene with one other person. We hiked all night. Slept on the desert floor with all kinds of critters, we ran outta water..........drank outta puddles. We were lost, and it took us 3 1/2 days to find our way to our packs. I had turned green, my skin and hair. We kept having to stop for one minute breathers because of me, and a couple others. The heat off the day, the cold of the night, the freak hail storms......I didn't think I was going to make it, and I was in pretty good shape. I'll never forget seeing the surberbans, and crying. I found my pack, and ate all the brown sugar they had given me in a nano second, followed it up with the one packet of powdered hot chocolate. I am surprised I didn't die! I hate camping, you'll never catch me in a sleeping bag under the stars!
Funk that!!!!
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CAVEAT EMPTOR
by Barbe Stamps
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/Remembe ... Bacon.html (http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/RememberingAaronBacon.html)
I can't believe another year has come and gone to remind us of the tragic death of Aaron Bacon.
Are the lessons being learned? Obviously not if the answer to this question depends upon whether one believes preventable deaths like Aaron's and many others are "collateral damage". An acceptable loss.
Barbe
Teen Advocates USA
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FYI - I borrowed a quote from you, Ginger, which of course, is noted with great appreciation.
Hope this is okay?
Barbe
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Thanks!
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
-- Hunter S. Thompson
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http://caica.org/CHILDREN%20ARE%20DYING.htm (http://caica.org/CHILDREN%20ARE%20DYING.htm)
In Memory of the Children Who Have Died at the Hands of Those Who Professed to Be There to Help Them
Children are Crying, Children are Dying
Written by Isabelle Zehnder
Children's worse nightmares have come true
They?ve come to take them from the lives they knew
Taken from their beds in the middle of the night
Handcuffs, pepper spray, the child cannot fight
Hired kidnappers, abductors, it's true
They convince parents it's what they must do
To save their child from dying, they had no clue
Michelle Sutton - Died May 9, 1990
They forced me to run, I was so weak
They forced me to run, I could hardly speak
I pleaded for help I was so ill
I wanted to live, that was my will
But I was crying, and slowly dying
They refused me water, I was so thirsty
I asked for a doctor they would not take me
I asked to go home, they would not let me
I tried so hard to stay alive
But that night I could no longer survive
There was no phone, no radio
We were so far that nobody could know
The others built fires a plane finally flew by
The children explained that I had died
Twenty-two hours on a lone dirt road
A tarp over my body as the wind echoed
Twenty-two hours I laid in the wind
I would have been so chagrinned
My best friend was there, she heard my cries
My best friend was there, she watched me die
Those kids in the dessert were forced to stay
Even after they saw me die that day
My mom, she's a fighter, she wants people to know
What can happen to children when you let them go
My best friend we were close you see
She named her baby Michelle after me
I was one of the children who was crying
I was one of the children who was dying
Aaron Bacon - died March 31, 1994
I held my cup, they wouldn?t fill it
I cried for help they wouldn?t give it
I was so hungry, couldn?t they see?
All they gave me was pine needle tea
I was slowly dying, and I was crying
For breakfast I foraged prickly pear cactus
For me, there in the hills, there was no solace
They forced me to hike when I was so weak
There came a point I could no longer speak
I was slowly dying, and I was crying
If mom and dad knew what I would face
They would never have sent me to this place
No blanket no sleeping bag at night
The temperature reached 25 farenheit
They called me a liar they ridiculed me
They said I was faking while my heart was breaking
While I was crying, I was slowly dying
The sky looked purple I saw lights flashing
The next thing I knew my body was thrashing
I lost the fight for life that day
How many more children must die this way?
I am one of the children who was crying
I am one of the children who was dying
Charles "Chase" Moody, Jr. - Died October 14, 2002
I was only sixteen just being a kid
Laughing and talking, that?s all I did
Shut up, quit talking, get out of your tent
Much as I tried they wouldn't relent
They grabbed me hard in the dark of the night
Three very large men, they held me tight
They grabbed me, we fell to the ground
Three men on top of me, that?s how I was found
I pleaded and cried "I cannot breathe"
But they would not listen to my pleas
As I laid there crying, as I laid there dying
I cried, I wanted to see mom and dad
They wouldn't listen, they were so mad
Those three men sat on my back that night
Those three men made me lose the fight
As I laid there crying, I laid there dying
I prayed dear God get them off of me
I knew in my heart that would be my last plea
As I lay there crying, as I lay there dying
I was one of the children who was crying
I was one of the children who was dying
Martin Lee Anderson - Died January 6, 2006
I know taking grandma's car was bad
I never knew it would make them so mad
I was only there a very short time
Six men grabbed my arm took me out of line
I just got there it was my very first day
Why were they treating me this way?
They ridiculed me, they made fun of me
They pushed me they shoved me
They grabbed me they beat me
Just when I thought that I might die
I saw a lady out of the corner of my eye
I thought dear God she's here to save me
But she just stood by and let them berate me
They were so big and I was so small
I felt I had no chance at all
No matter how much I cried
They would not stop they let me die
They beat me until that final blow
At least it was caught on a video
I know one thing, I didn't deserve to die
I wanted to see my mama, just one last time
I was one of those children who was crying
I was one of those children who was dying
Giavannia "Joey" Alteriz - Died February 2, 2006
It was a cold day in February
All I wanted to do was wear my hoody
They yelled at me said it was forbidden
They made me feel like I was in prison
They grabbed me hard and took it away
I had no idea this would be my last day
Before I knew it we were all on the ground
They sat on me I couldn't make a sound
I tried to tell them I could not breathe
They would not listen to my pleas
They pushed down on my neck so hard
They left my body full of scars
Finally my body went completely numb
I knew the end had finally come
Mama, I would like to say
I should never have died that day
I was one of those children who was crying
I was one of those children who was dying
We do not want to have suffered the pain
Only to learn we died in vain
So please tell our stories all over again
Please be our voice we can no longer speak
Though we know it?s hard, please don?t be weak
Our voices are crying out to you
What on earth are you going to do?
How many more children must die?
Before they stop the crying
Before they stop the dying
Though we're in a better place
We do not want others to have to face
The abuse, the neglect, the crying
We do not want more children dying
In loving memory of:
Aaron Wright Bacon - Died March 31, 1994 - Untreated Peritonitis
Andrew McClain - Died March 22, 1998 - 11 years old - Restraint
Anthony Dumas - June 12, 2000 - 15 years old - Suicide by hanging
Anthony Green - May 21, 1991 - 15 years old - Restraint
Anthony T. Haynes - July 1, 2001 - 14 years old - Dehydration
Bobby J. Randolph - September 26, 1996 - 17 years old - Restraint
Bobby Sue Thomas - August 16, 1996 - 17 years old - Restraint
Bryan Dale Alexander - 18 years old - Pneumonia, lack of medical care
Candace Newmaker - April 18, 2000 - 10 year old - Rebirthing
Casey Collier - December 1993 - 17 years old - Restraint
Cedrick Napoleon - March 7, 2002 - 14 years old - Restraint
Chad A. Franza - August 17, 1998 - 16 years old - Suicide by hanging
Charles "Chase" Moody, Jr. - October 14, 2002 - 17 years old - Restraint
Carlton Eugene Thomas - 17 years old - Restraint
Christopher Brown - March 7, 1998 - 16 years old - Hit by train running away from program
Chris Campbell - November 2, 1997 - 13 years old - Restraint (4 times in 24 hours)
Christopher Sutton - August 22, 2005 - Murdered parents after Paradise Cove
Christie Scheck - March 6, 1992 - 13 years old - Suicide by hanging
Corey Baines - March 26, 2003 - 16 years old - Tree limb fell on tent
Charles Lucas - November 24, 1980 - 16 years old - Drowning
C.L. - June 12, 1997 - 16 years old - Suicide soon after leaving program
Corey W. Murphey - March 21, 2000 - 17 years old - Suicide in program
Daniel matthews - 17 years old - Killed in program by other child
Dawn Renay Perry - April 10, 1993 - 16 years old - Restraint
Dawne Takeuchi - June 25, 1995 - 18 years old - Thrown from truck
Diane Harris - April 11, 1990 - 17 years old - Violently restrained
Earl Smith - January 11, 1995 - 9 years old - Restraint
Edith Campos - February 2, 1998 - 15 years old - Restraint
Eric David Shibley - November 20, 1980 - 17 years old - Drowning
Eddie Lee - 15 years old - Resetraint
Erick Roberts - February 22, 1996 - 16 years old - Restraint
Erica Harvey - May 27, 202 - 15 years old - Dehydration, hyperthermia
Gina Score - 1990 - 14 years old - Hyperthermia
Ian August - July 13, 2002 - 14 years old - Hyperthemia
Jamar Griffiths - October 18, 1994 - 5 years old - Restraint
Jamie Young - June 5, 1993 - 13 years old - Heatstroke, dehydration
Jason Tallman - May 12, 1993 - 12 years old - Restraint
Jeffrey Bogrett - December 1, 1995 - 9 years old - Restraint
Jeffrey Demetrius - September 26, 1997 - 17 years old - Restraint
Jerry McLaurin - November 2, 1999 - 14 years old - Restraint
Jimmy Kanda - September 20, 1997 - 16 years old - Restraint
John Avila - July 25, 1994
James Lamb - November 24, 1980 - 14 years old
Joey (Giovanni) Alteriz - February 4, 2006 - 16 years old - Restraint
John Vincent Garrison - 18 years old
John McCloskey - February 24, 1996 - 18 years old - Sodomized
Joshua Ferarini - January 8, 1989 - 13 years old - Restraint
Joshua Sharpe - December 28, 1999 - 17 years old - Restraint
Karlye Newman - October 8, 2004 - 16 years old - Suicide by hanging
Kasey Warner - October 8, 2005 - 13 years old - Drowned
Katherine Lank - January 13, 2002 - 16 years old - Massive head trauma, fell down crevise
Kristal Mayon-Ceniceros - February 5, 1999 - 16 years old - Restraint
Kristen Chase - June 27, 1990 - 16 years old - Heatstroke
Kelly Young - March 4, 1998 - 17 years old - Restraint
Latasha Bush - February 14, 2002 - 15 years old - Restraint
Laura Hanson - November 19, 1998 - 17 years old
Linda Harris - September 18, 2005 - 14 years old - Restraint
Leon Anger - September 16, 1984
Leroy Prinkley - September 28, 1988 - 14 years old - Restraint
Lorenzo Johnson - June 27, 1994 - 17 years old - Drowned trying to escape
Lyle Foodroy - Drowning
Maria Mendoza - October 12, 2003 - 14 years old - Restraint
Mario Cano - 16 years old - Blood clot
Mark Draheim - December 1998 - 14 years old - Restraint
Michael Garcia - December 2005 - 12 years old - Restraint
Matthew Goodman - February 5, 2002 - 14 years old - Pneumonia, blood poisoning
Mark Soares - 16 years old - Restraint
Martin Lee Anderson - January 6, 2006 - Beating
M.L. - Shot and killed himself
Matt Toppi - March 7, 1998 - 17 years old - Hit by train while running away from program
Melissa Neyman - July 24, 1997 - 19 years old - Restraint
Michael Arnold - July 15, 1997 - 19 years old - Restraint
Michael Ibarra-Wiltsie - February 5, 2000 - 12 years old - Restraint
Michael R. Lewis, III - August 25, 2003 - 15 years old - Restraint
M.R.P. - On death row after attending WWASP Casa by the Sea
Michelle Sutton - May 9, 1990 - 15 years old - Dehydration
Nicholas Contreras - March 2, 1998 - 16 years old - Prolonged medical neglect and physical abuse
Omar Paisley - June 2, 2003 - 17 years old - Preventable appendicitis
Orlena Parker - March 10, 2003 - 15 years old - Restraint
Paul Choy - 1992 - 16 years old - Restraint
R.C. - April 10, 2005 - Suicide by hanging after leaving program, WWASP Casa by the Sea
Rochelle Clayborne - August 18, 1997 - 16 years old - Restraint
Randy Steele - February 6, 2000 - 9 years old - Restraint
Robert Doyle Erwin - 15 years old - Drowing
Robert Rollins - April 21, 1997 - 12 years old - Restraint
Robert Zimmerman - November 24, 1980 - 17 years old - Drowning
Roberto Reyes - November 3, 2004 - 15 years old - Lack of medical care
Roxanna Gray - July 6, 1989 - 17 years old - Restraint
R.G. - December 12, 2005 - Died at home after attending WWASP Spring Creek Lodge
Ryan Lewis - February 13, 2001 - 14 years old - Suicide by hanging
Sabrina E. Day - February 10, 2000 - 15 years old - Restraint
Sakena Dorsey - June 10, 1997 - 18 years old - Restraint
Shinaul McGraw - June 5, 1997 - 12 years old - Restraint
Shawn Smith - October 30, 2001 - 13 years old
Stephanie Duffield - February 11, 2001 - 16 years old - Restraint
Timothy Thomas - 9 years old - Restraint
Tammy Edmiston - September 11, 1982
Tanner Wilson - February 9, 2001 - 11 years old - Restraint
Tony (Anthony) Reyes - 14 years old - Heat exhaustion; suspicious death
Thomas Mapes - July 8, 1994 - 17 years old - Restraint, hand-cuffed
Travis Parker - 13 years old - Restraint
Tristan Sovern - March 4, 1998 - 16 years old - Restraint
Valerie Ann Heron - August 10, 2001 - 17 years old - Jumped off balcony WWASP Tranquility Bay
Victoria Petersilka - February 9, 2002 - Suicide by hanging
Wauketta Wallace - July 11, 1989 - 12 years old - Restraintt
Will Futrelle - March 25, 1996 - 15 years old - Murdered by other students
William "Eddie" Lee - September 18, 2000 - 15 years old - Restraint
Willie Lawrence Durden - October 14, 2003 - 17 years old - Died in cell
Willie Wright - February 4, 2000 - 9 years old - Restraint
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HOLY THE CHILDREN, there is a guestbook, and also powerful parent impact statements (FOREVER YOUNG)
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org (http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org)
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That was awesome......I felt the words........I imagined what these kids were going through......you took me there........I should say back there in regards to Michelle Sutton.
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On 2006-04-02 01:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"HOLY THE CHILDREN, there is a guestbook, and also powerful parent impact statements (FOREVER YOUNG)
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org (http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org)
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Who in the world thinks it's okay to abuse and kill children in the name of therapy? People in the industry.
CAVEAT EMPTOR indeed.
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/HolyTheChildren.html (http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/HolyTheChildren.html)
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I am a graduate of Cross Creek Manor in Utah and I know how difficult it is to change someone as I was proabably one of the more difficulte ones. Don't ever think that these programs don't work, they do I AM PROOF of this. I graduated 4 years ago and I am doing wonderful. I decided to change my life. Understand that no one can make anyone change themselves except themselves. You cannot blame anyone for trying to save a child. These stories are exagerrated. They are from Children that would rather be victims than be worng. You will never know unless you go through it and actually finish one of these programs. THEY WORK, IF YOU WORK IT...JUST LIKE THEY TELL YOU WHEN YOU GET THERE.
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Well good for you - you survived your "treatment".
Other kids, have not.
That's a fact that someday, when you reclaim your critical thinking skills, you will understand and accept as the truth.
There is hope you will see the light when you turn it on.
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On 2006-04-03 20:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am a graduate of Cross Creek Manor in Utah and I know how difficult it is to change someone as I was proabably one of the more difficulte ones. Don't ever think that these programs don't work, they do I AM PROOF of this. I graduated 4 years ago and I am doing wonderful. I decided to change my life. Understand that no one can make anyone change themselves except themselves. You cannot blame anyone for trying to save a child. These stories are exagerrated. They are from Children that would rather be victims than be worng. You will never know unless you go through it and actually finish one of these programs. THEY WORK, IF YOU WORK IT...JUST LIKE THEY TELL YOU WHEN YOU GET THERE."
Fornits is a wonderful place where BOTH sides can say what they want in an uncensored manner.
However
A. Don't you think that your post is juuuuuust a bit inappropriate considering the topic of the thread?
B. Not everybody here is a child playing the role of a "victim"
C. You would be a wonderful candidate for Scientology.
but A is really the important one in this case.
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I am not sure if these ANON's are really former inmates of CCM? Or they are just paid staff members who are told to come here to post?
It doesn't really matter, I guess? I'm not sure what kids dying in wilderness boot camps has to do with Cross Creek Manor, but WHATEVER!
Hey, you know what the best part of the whole thing is? Knowing that while I was nearly dying, along with a couple others that the staff was doing just fine. I thought they were the ones that were more in shape then me? Hell no, their bellies were full with cheese n' crackers (remember those with the red plastic sticks to spread the cheese) and starbursts. The only reason I know this is because by the third day, when us kids were clinging to life........the staff made a decision to give us each a half of cracker with cheese. I remember being one of the first ones, and while I was given my 1/2 cracker looked down into the pack the staff had, a bunch of empty cheese n' crackers, and starburst wrappers. They were running out of food too. But still, if I would have known this a couple days earlier when I had the strength.........I would have gotten the group of 16 girls to rebel against the 4 staff members, and tie them to a tree, and eat all their food.
I can't speak for all these survivor type programs, but they told us in the beginning before we set off that the staff are just like you, with no food or blankets. They tell you the packs they have are first aid. What a bunch of fucking liars they all were!
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On 2006-04-02 00:32:00, MomCat wrote:
"http://caica.org/CHILDREN%20ARE%20DYING.htm
In Memory of the Children Who Have Died at the Hands of Those Who Professed to Be There to Help Them
Children are Crying, Children are Dying
Written by Isabelle Zehnder
Children's worse nightmares have come true
They?ve come to take them from the lives they knew
Taken from their beds in the middle of the night
Handcuffs, pepper spray, the child cannot fight
Hired kidnappers, abductors, it's true
They convince parents it's what they must do
To save their child from dying, they had no clue
Michelle Sutton - Died May 9, 1990
They forced me to run, I was so weak
They forced me to run, I could hardly speak
I pleaded for help I was so ill
I wanted to live, that was my will
But I was crying, and slowly dying
They refused me water, I was so thirsty
I asked for a doctor they would not take me
I asked to go home, they would not let me
I tried so hard to stay alive
But that night I could no longer survive
There was no phone, no radio
We were so far that nobody could know
The others built fires a plane finally flew by
The children explained that I had died
Twenty-two hours on a lone dirt road
A tarp over my body as the wind echoed
Twenty-two hours I laid in the wind
I would have been so chagrinned
My best friend was there, she heard my cries
My best friend was there, she watched me die
Those kids in the dessert were forced to stay
Even after they saw me die that day
My mom, she's a fighter, she wants people to know
What can happen to children when you let them go
My best friend we were close you see
She named her baby Michelle after me
I was one of the children who was crying
I was one of the children who was dying
Aaron Bacon - died March 31, 1994
I held my cup, they wouldn?t fill it
I cried for help they wouldn?t give it
I was so hungry, couldn?t they see?
All they gave me was pine needle tea
I was slowly dying, and I was crying
For breakfast I foraged prickly pear cactus
For me, there in the hills, there was no solace
They forced me to hike when I was so weak
There came a point I could no longer speak
I was slowly dying, and I was crying
If mom and dad knew what I would face
They would never have sent me to this place
No blanket no sleeping bag at night
The temperature reached 25 farenheit
They called me a liar they ridiculed me
They said I was faking while my heart was breaking
While I was crying, I was slowly dying
The sky looked purple I saw lights flashing
The next thing I knew my body was thrashing
I lost the fight for life that day
How many more children must die this way?
I am one of the children who was crying
I am one of the children who was dying
Charles "Chase" Moody, Jr. - Died October 14, 2002
I was only sixteen just being a kid
Laughing and talking, that?s all I did
Shut up, quit talking, get out of your tent
Much as I tried they wouldn't relent
They grabbed me hard in the dark of the night
Three very large men, they held me tight
They grabbed me, we fell to the ground
Three men on top of me, that?s how I was found
I pleaded and cried "I cannot breathe"
But they would not listen to my pleas
As I laid there crying, as I laid there dying
I cried, I wanted to see mom and dad
They wouldn't listen, they were so mad
Those three men sat on my back that night
Those three men made me lose the fight
As I laid there crying, I laid there dying
I prayed dear God get them off of me
I knew in my heart that would be my last plea
As I lay there crying, as I lay there dying
I was one of the children who was crying
I was one of the children who was dying
Martin Lee Anderson - Died January 6, 2006
I know taking grandma's car was bad
I never knew it would make them so mad
I was only there a very short time
Six men grabbed my arm took me out of line
I just got there it was my very first day
Why were they treating me this way?
They ridiculed me, they made fun of me
They pushed me they shoved me
They grabbed me they beat me
Just when I thought that I might die
I saw a lady out of the corner of my eye
I thought dear God she's here to save me
But she just stood by and let them berate me
They were so big and I was so small
I felt I had no chance at all
No matter how much I cried
They would not stop they let me die
They beat me until that final blow
At least it was caught on a video
I know one thing, I didn't deserve to die
I wanted to see my mama, just one last time
I was one of those children who was crying
I was one of those children who was dying
Giavannia "Joey" Alteriz - Died February 2, 2006
It was a cold day in February
All I wanted to do was wear my hoody
They yelled at me said it was forbidden
They made me feel like I was in prison
They grabbed me hard and took it away
I had no idea this would be my last day
Before I knew it we were all on the ground
They sat on me I couldn't make a sound
I tried to tell them I could not breathe
They would not listen to my pleas
They pushed down on my neck so hard
They left my body full of scars
Finally my body went completely numb
I knew the end had finally come
Mama, I would like to say
I should never have died that day
I was one of those children who was crying
I was one of those children who was dying
We do not want to have suffered the pain
Only to learn we died in vain
So please tell our stories all over again
Please be our voice we can no longer speak
Though we know it?s hard, please don?t be weak
Our voices are crying out to you
What on earth are you going to do?
How many more children must die?
Before they stop the crying
Before they stop the dying
Though we're in a better place
We do not want others to have to face
The abuse, the neglect, the crying
We do not want more children dying
In loving memory of:
Aaron Wright Bacon - Died March 31, 1994 - Untreated Peritonitis
Andrew McClain - Died March 22, 1998 - 11 years old - Restraint
Anthony Dumas - June 12, 2000 - 15 years old - Suicide by hanging
Anthony Green - May 21, 1991 - 15 years old - Restraint
Anthony T. Haynes - July 1, 2001 - 14 years old - Dehydration
Bobby J. Randolph - September 26, 1996 - 17 years old - Restraint
Bobby Sue Thomas - August 16, 1996 - 17 years old - Restraint
Bryan Dale Alexander - 18 years old - Pneumonia, lack of medical care
Candace Newmaker - April 18, 2000 - 10 year old - Rebirthing
Casey Collier - December 1993 - 17 years old - Restraint
Cedrick Napoleon - March 7, 2002 - 14 years old - Restraint
Chad A. Franza - August 17, 1998 - 16 years old - Suicide by hanging
Charles "Chase" Moody, Jr. - October 14, 2002 - 17 years old - Restraint
Carlton Eugene Thomas - 17 years old - Restraint
Christopher Brown - March 7, 1998 - 16 years old - Hit by train running away from program
Chris Campbell - November 2, 1997 - 13 years old - Restraint (4 times in 24 hours)
Christopher Sutton - August 22, 2005 - Murdered parents after Paradise Cove
Christie Scheck - March 6, 1992 - 13 years old - Suicide by hanging
Corey Baines - March 26, 2003 - 16 years old - Tree limb fell on tent
Charles Lucas - November 24, 1980 - 16 years old - Drowning
C.L. - June 12, 1997 - 16 years old - Suicide soon after leaving program
Corey W. Murphey - March 21, 2000 - 17 years old - Suicide in program
Daniel matthews - 17 years old - Killed in program by other child
Dawn Renay Perry - April 10, 1993 - 16 years old - Restraint
Dawne Takeuchi - June 25, 1995 - 18 years old - Thrown from truck
Diane Harris - April 11, 1990 - 17 years old - Violently restrained
Earl Smith - January 11, 1995 - 9 years old - Restraint
Edith Campos - February 2, 1998 - 15 years old - Restraint
Eric David Shibley - November 20, 1980 - 17 years old - Drowning
Eddie Lee - 15 years old - Resetraint
Erick Roberts - February 22, 1996 - 16 years old - Restraint
Erica Harvey - May 27, 202 - 15 years old - Dehydration, hyperthermia
Gina Score - 1990 - 14 years old - Hyperthermia
Ian August - July 13, 2002 - 14 years old - Hyperthemia
Jamar Griffiths - October 18, 1994 - 5 years old - Restraint
Jamie Young - June 5, 1993 - 13 years old - Heatstroke, dehydration
Jason Tallman - May 12, 1993 - 12 years old - Restraint
Jeffrey Bogrett - December 1, 1995 - 9 years old - Restraint
Jeffrey Demetrius - September 26, 1997 - 17 years old - Restraint
Jerry McLaurin - November 2, 1999 - 14 years old - Restraint
Jimmy Kanda - September 20, 1997 - 16 years old - Restraint
John Avila - July 25, 1994
James Lamb - November 24, 1980 - 14 years old
Joey (Giovanni) Alteriz - February 4, 2006 - 16 years old - Restraint
John Vincent Garrison - 18 years old
John McCloskey - February 24, 1996 - 18 years old - Sodomized
Joshua Ferarini - January 8, 1989 - 13 years old - Restraint
Joshua Sharpe - December 28, 1999 - 17 years old - Restraint
Karlye Newman - October 8, 2004 - 16 years old - Suicide by hanging
Kasey Warner - October 8, 2005 - 13 years old - Drowned
Katherine Lank - January 13, 2002 - 16 years old - Massive head trauma, fell down crevise
Kristal Mayon-Ceniceros - February 5, 1999 - 16 years old - Restraint
Kristen Chase - June 27, 1990 - 16 years old - Heatstroke
Kelly Young - March 4, 1998 - 17 years old - Restraint
Latasha Bush - February 14, 2002 - 15 years old - Restraint
Laura Hanson - November 19, 1998 - 17 years old
Linda Harris - September 18, 2005 - 14 years old - Restraint
Leon Anger - September 16, 1984
Leroy Prinkley - September 28, 1988 - 14 years old - Restraint
Lorenzo Johnson - June 27, 1994 - 17 years old - Drowned trying to escape
Lyle Foodroy - Drowning
Maria Mendoza - October 12, 2003 - 14 years old - Restraint
Mario Cano - 16 years old - Blood clot
Mark Draheim - December 1998 - 14 years old - Restraint
Michael Garcia - December 2005 - 12 years old - Restraint
Matthew Goodman - February 5, 2002 - 14 years old - Pneumonia, blood poisoning
Mark Soares - 16 years old - Restraint
Martin Lee Anderson - January 6, 2006 - Beating
M.L. - Shot and killed himself
Matt Toppi - March 7, 1998 - 17 years old - Hit by train while running away from program
Melissa Neyman - July 24, 1997 - 19 years old - Restraint
Michael Arnold - July 15, 1997 - 19 years old - Restraint
Michael Ibarra-Wiltsie - February 5, 2000 - 12 years old - Restraint
Michael R. Lewis, III - August 25, 2003 - 15 years old - Restraint
M.R.P. - On death row after attending WWASP Casa by the Sea
Michelle Sutton - May 9, 1990 - 15 years old - Dehydration
Nicholas Contreras - March 2, 1998 - 16 years old - Prolonged medical neglect and physical abuse
Omar Paisley - June 2, 2003 - 17 years old - Preventable appendicitis
Orlena Parker - March 10, 2003 - 15 years old - Restraint
Paul Choy - 1992 - 16 years old - Restraint
R.C. - April 10, 2005 - Suicide by hanging after leaving program, WWASP Casa by the Sea
Rochelle Clayborne - August 18, 1997 - 16 years old - Restraint
Randy Steele - February 6, 2000 - 9 years old - Restraint
Robert Doyle Erwin - 15 years old - Drowing
Robert Rollins - April 21, 1997 - 12 years old - Restraint
Robert Zimmerman - November 24, 1980 - 17 years old - Drowning
Roberto Reyes - November 3, 2004 - 15 years old - Lack of medical care
Roxanna Gray - July 6, 1989 - 17 years old - Restraint
R.G. - December 12, 2005 - Died at home after attending WWASP Spring Creek Lodge
Ryan Lewis - February 13, 2001 - 14 years old - Suicide by hanging
Sabrina E. Day - February 10, 2000 - 15 years old - Restraint
Sakena Dorsey - June 10, 1997 - 18 years old - Restraint
Shinaul McGraw - June 5, 1997 - 12 years old - Restraint
Shawn Smith - October 30, 2001 - 13 years old
Stephanie Duffield - February 11, 2001 - 16 years old - Restraint
Timothy Thomas - 9 years old - Restraint
Tammy Edmiston - September 11, 1982
Tanner Wilson - February 9, 2001 - 11 years old - Restraint
Tony (Anthony) Reyes - 14 years old - Heat exhaustion; suspicious death
Thomas Mapes - July 8, 1994 - 17 years old - Restraint, hand-cuffed
Travis Parker - 13 years old - Restraint
Tristan Sovern - March 4, 1998 - 16 years old - Restraint
Valerie Ann Heron - August 10, 2001 - 17 years old - Jumped off balcony WWASP Tranquility Bay
Victoria Petersilka - February 9, 2002 - Suicide by hanging
Wauketta Wallace - July 11, 1989 - 12 years old - Restraintt
Will Futrelle - March 25, 1996 - 15 years old - Murdered by other students
William "Eddie" Lee - September 18, 2000 - 15 years old - Restraint
Willie Lawrence Durden - October 14, 2003 - 17 years old - Died in cell
Willie Wright - February 4, 2000 - 9 years old - Restraint
[ This Message was edited by: MomCat on 2006-04-02 00:33 ]"
Okay, yeah...boot camps are wrong ... but does that mean you have to make up names of boot camp deaths? c'mon.
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I don't have time to check each, and every one of these names.....but I chose 5 names I had never heard of and they checked out. So, I am not sure what the heck you are talking about?
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On 2006-04-03 20:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
THEY WORK, IF YOU WORK IT...JUST LIKE THEY TELL YOU WHEN YOU GET THERE."
They work, if you work it.
Well, of course. I went along with what everyone wanted me to say at Catherine Freer. Now I'm free.
But that's not how I felt. I lied to get my freedom.
Now I'm doing fine, but is it because of Catherine Freer? No, it's because I grew up.
I think thats why you're doing well. Because you grew up while you were in CCM.
I hope you'll come to realize that.
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I should log in when I post.
:wstupid:
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Okay, yeah...boot camps are wrong ... but does that mean you have to make up names of boot camp deaths? c'mon.
Have you no soul?
By the way, Karlye Newman did not die in a boot camp. Karlye was slowly sucked dry by a behavior modification program. Where the rest of us found strength to carry on, she had nothing left. Karlye took her Spring Creek Lodge embriodered sweatshirt and hung herself in a bathroom stall. Is that real enough for you!? You fucking prick. I loved Karlye with all my heart, and for you to trvialize her death and the death of so many other innocent children, makes me question your status as a human being. Do some research before you feel the need to spit on someone's grave.
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As scary as the deaths at these hellholes are, are the "graduates" who beleive they were helped at these places. You would think being kidnapped, imprisoned, and tortured for lengthy periods would leave a negitive impression of the experieince
But thats actually not true!
Did you know Japanese college students were kidnapped/brainwashed by North Korea to make them realize the badness of Japan and their former capitialist selves. After a bit, they were allowed to visit their family for a "vacation" and afterwards they fought to go back to North Korea. They had to be restrained by their families.
Girls who were imprisoned in Magdelena asylums for "promiscuous" acts like kissing, or being raped, willingly lived there until they died. They spent their entire existances toiling in silence (speaking forbidden) at laundry! From age 11 to 75.
After I left my bemod I thought I was helped and my abusive parents were da bomb. What really happened was that I had been convinced that cruelty was love, I was bad, my spirit was broken, and that my parents had the power to do anything to me so I better do whatever I needed to to make them happy- no matter how bizzare. No wonder why "parents" love these places. These places create "battered child" syndrome in a teenager who is in the process of moving beyond that becoming helpless, subservient and frightened like the child they used to be.
"i feel like I have my child back!"-uncountable # of parents giving testimonials about whatever program
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As scary as the deaths at these hellholes are, are the "graduates" who beleive they were helped at these places. You would think being kidnapped, imprisoned, and tortured for lengthy periods would leave a negitive impression of the experieince
But thats actually not true!
Did you know Japanese college students were kidnapped/brainwashed by North Korea to make them realize the badness of Japan and their former capitialist selves. After a bit, they were allowed to visit their family for a "vacation" and afterwards they fought to go back to North Korea. They had to be restrained by their families.
Girls who were imprisoned in Magdelena asylums for "promiscuous" acts like kissing, or being raped, willingly lived there until they died. They spent their entire existances toiling in silence (speaking forbidden) at laundry! From age 11 to 75.
After I left my bemod I thought I was helped and my abusive parents were da bomb. What really happened was that I had been convinced that cruelty was love, I was bad, my spirit was broken, and that my parents had the power to do anything to me so I better do whatever I needed to to make them happy- no matter how bizzare. No wonder why "parents" love these places. These places create "battered child" syndrome in a teenager who is in the process of moving beyond that becoming helpless, subservient and frightened like the child they used to be.
"i feel like I have my child back!"-uncountable # of parents giving testimonials about whatever program